Who thinks romney will run in 2016?

[trenchfoot]

IMO, it doesn't really matter who the Repubs put up for the White House job.

What really matters is if the Repubs can put up a good enough hate, smear and fear campaign against whomever the Dems nominate. That's worked time and again for them and it seems their best way out at the moment, due to their present lack of a candidate with nationwide appeal.

Swiftboat Veterans for Truth is a fine example of what the Repubs are capable of. I'm sure they can muster up something like it that'll be appropriate for their next intended victim.

Running on the now proven failed ideological mantra of lowering taxes for the rich, deregulating even further an already corrupted federal regulatory mechanism and the ridiculous notion of championing Reaganomics is not going to work, ever again.

So what can the Repubs bring to bear other than what the religious fundamentalists among them have hung on their pikes and flag staffs and what their big business sponsored anti-union propaganda purveyors have prosthelytized amongst their faithful? IMO, it's not something they can well defend on a national scale, so it seems to me the only thing left for them to do is to attack and attack some more to hide and disguise their chizeled in stone agenda of helping the rich at the expense of everyone else's interests.

 

[John Connor]

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[John Connor]

so it seems to me the only thing left for them to do is to attack and attack some more to hide and disguise their chizeled in stone agenda of helping the rich at the expense of everyone else's interests.

So the government doesn't have a chiseled in stone agenda? With all the social programs it's starting to look like the former Soviet Union. It's all about control.

Obozo promised gifts and that's what the people wanted and voted for. It's a sad state of affairs, really. No one wants to take responsibility anymore and they would rather have a hand out then put a hand in. JFK once said, 'ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.' What happened?

Maybe I should run for President. I would promise free health care, free food stamps, free cell phones, free everything! Oh wait, we already had that campaign promise, "Hope and Change."

Obama: One Big Ass Mistake America. Now they may be seeing the light. There are a lot of people who have regrets so I have heard.

 

[Newell Steamer]

No more a joke than Obozo!

Obama won't be a candidate in 2016 - but, you just go on and hur dur dur to your heart's content.

 

[Vic]

I certainly agree, it's why I mentioned they need to stop with the idiotic wedge issues and mentioning "rape" every 5 minutes. Dodge the fucking question or whatever you need to do. And enough of the religious right pandering.

Besides beating Obamacare to death, the religious right is pretty much all the Republicans have to differentiate themselves from the Democrats right now.

 

[Vic]

I sure hope so. He could come up with a better healthcare plan than Obama's with both eyes closed.

/taps sarcasm meter. .

 

[John Connor]

Abominationcare should be fought tooth and nail! Why should the government tell me I must purchase insurance or be fined? And the best part about it is that the scum sucking son of a whore IRS is managing it by way of the fees. Yet these dirt bags are hiding HDDs and have a political agenda that being against Conservatives and the Tea Party. Fuck the IRS, NSA, DOJ, EPA and the DHS! All government is waaay too big for their britches.

Yeah, costs have come down.. Uh huh, sure....

 

[Vic]

Because there was no mandate with Romneycare?

In a perfect world, I'd agree with you. In the real world, douchebags don't buy insurance but still expect the same thing as if they did buy it.

 

[John Connor]

Well, I don't approve of goverment funded and mandated health care insurance. That may work for lower populaces in the world, but not 315 million people. But I degrees, at the state level things seem to work better than the federal ACA counter part.

What I would like to see is a simple common sense plan that allows you to buy insurance across state lines. You can buy an orange from Florida, a pineapple from Hawaii, but you can't buy insurance?

I just read about Romneycare on Wikipedia and it appears that there was a law suit filled about the mandate and the fee if you don't have insurance. It fell flat on all accounts. Just like the waked out supreme court's rulling on ACA. This proves that the justice system isn't blind but go by a political ideology. I absolutly hate the justice system and we need common sense reforms.

If you could buy insurance across state lines this encourages the grand old capitalistic thing called competition. Which in turn lowers prices for the consumer. Plus there would be no damn mandate and the hell with the stupid ass court system getting involved or for that matter the tax man.

Anyway, we are talking about if Romney will run? LOL

 

[theeedude]

Warren vs. Romney would be a great election matchup.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Warren vs. Romney would be a great election matchup.

She could totally roast him over hot coals for his comment about how 47% of the populace are moochers and looters.

 

[theeedude]

Populist vs Corporatist, would be a great test of where America stands.

 

[John Connor]

She could totally roast him over hot coals for his comment about how 47% of the populace are moochers and looters.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...rcentage-americans-welfare-hits-recorded-high

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/record-20-households-food-stamps-2013

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...billion-a-year-disability-industrial-complex/

Now add all that shit up and see what the percentage of moochers we have.

 

[xaeniac]

Why would the repubs want a loser? My philosophy is once one has failed on this level, it is best to move on in life. This choice is made much more clearly with Romney.

 

[trenchfoot]

So the government doesn't have a chiseled in stone agenda? With all the social programs it's starting to look like the former Soviet Union. It's all about control.

Well, I just so happen to like the idea of the gov't creating needed social programs that the private sector refuses to go anywhere near. And so what if it takes our tax $$$ to do it with? I'll always choose the general welfare of the nation over the exorbitance and hoarding of wealth the few very rich seems so preoccupied with. This idea of starving the rest of the nation into subservience to get every single thing going their way is not something I agree with.

Obozo promised gifts and that's what the people wanted and voted for. It's a sad state of affairs, really. No one wants to take responsibility anymore and they would rather have a hand out then put a hand in. JFK once said, 'ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.' What happened?

I'll tell you what happened. Let's start by realizing that it's the very rich who control this nation of ours via corrupting all three branches of our gov't beyond what you or I could ever begin to comprehend. And that pretty much includes both parties to some degree or another. It just so happens the very rich have had much more success and influence over the Repub Party than the Dems, simply for the fact that the Dems have taken to represent the interests of the weak and disorganized majority of the nation, of which the middle class and the poor reside in. These folks refuse to buy into the Repubs brand of religious fundamentalism and exclusively serving the needs of the few over the many. Yet, for one reason or another, many of these Dem leaning folks are hesitant to vote for their own best interests. And that goes for the middle class and poor Repubs as well. And let's not fool ourselves into thinking that it's only the Dems that promise gifts. The only difference I see is that the Repub Party leaders are promising gifts exclusively to the rich in ways that, if you cared to look into, are couched in layers of tax code and legislation that aren't apparent as those "gifts" that help the middle class and the poor.

Maybe I should run for President. I would promise free health care, free food stamps, free cell phones, free everything! Oh wait, we already had that campaign promise, "Hope and Change."

I tell you what; If you went after the very rich the same way you do the middle class and the poor, I'd be right in there with you. However, from the point of view you're expressing, somehow you think that it's only the middle class and the poor that are getting "gifts" and "handouts" from Obama. Don't you realize that for decades now the very rich have been stuffing the middle class and the poor down an ever narrowing funnel that denies them the chance to rise up on the economic ladder of success, but instead leads them into relying on the federal gov't for even more assistance than before? Assistance that, ironically, the very rich want to take away so as to give them even more control over the nation?

Obama: One Big Ass Mistake America. Now they may be seeing the light. There are a lot of people who have regrets so I have heard.

IMO, the only mistake Obama made is not convincing more of the folks he champions in his speeches to get out and vote for their own best interests.

 

[Anarchist420]

I think Romney has a chance at winning the nomination and presidency. Rand Paul could beat hillary clinton but he cant get the nomination. Rand is smarter and can piss the hell out of Hillary by tricking the fuck out of her. hillary clinton is the village idiot although not quite as much as me.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...rcentage-americans-welfare-hits-recorded-high

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/record-20-households-food-stamps-2013

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...billion-a-year-disability-industrial-complex/

Now add all that shit up and see what the percentage of moochers we have.

...But you have to dig deeper and ask why they are moochers and looters, which is something Warren would be sure to do.

Could it be that the top 5% is keeping much of the wealth the working poor is producing and not paying enough in wages to the working poor?

Could it be that the top 5% engaged in economic warfare against the working poor and middle class but enacting immigration and international trade policies that subjected Americans to Global Labor Arbitrage, putting severe downward pressure on wages?

 

[Greenman]

Why would the repubs want a loser? My philosophy is once one has failed on this level, it is best to move on in life. This choice is made much more clearly with Romney.

I don't know if I agree with the one shot and you're done idea, but I do think Romney is a lame horse in the race. The repubs need a more middle of the road guy, that can actually speak coherently in public, and that has three good ideas. I have no idea who that guy is, but if they find him he could very well be our next president.

 

[compuwiz1]

A strong repub candidate just needs to promise more free stuff than the last president. That is what society has deteriorated down to. We're enabling the entitlement class and it's getting way too big. It's actually time for a correction and the only way that's going to happen is with a republican majority in control. Otherwise, we're fucked. People will enjoy liberalism until it doesn't work and all the freebies run out.

 

[trenchfoot]

Populist vs Corporatist, would be a great test of where America stands.

That's an interesting notion. All it would take is for the populists to turn their backs on those corporatists that are sending jobs and their headquarters out of the country for more profit and less taxes, thereby suppressing the populist's ability to climb the social and economic ladders of success. In turn, the populists would support those other corporatists that actually desire to create meaningful and well paying jobs for the them. It would lift so many of those populists out of poverty that previously had to rely on the gov't for assistance and get them to become productive and financially secure.

You know, just like how some conservatives in this forum want them to be, but don't want to admit that the "job creators" they support only want to squeeze every penny they can get out of the domestic labor force without giving anything back to them or the nation that gave them the opportunity to prosper so successfully.

 

[Vic]

A strong repub candidate just needs to promise more free stuff than the last president. That is what society has deteriorated down to. We're enabling the entitlement class and it's getting way too big. It's actually time for a correction and the only way that's going to happen is with a republican majority in control. Otherwise, we're fucked. People will enjoy liberalism until it doesn't work and all the freebies run out.

"A chicken in every pot and a car in every garage." - Herbert Hoover, 1928

 

[John Connor]

I tell you what; If you went after the very rich the same way you do the middle class and the poor, I'd be right in there with you. However, from the point of view you're expressing, somehow you think that it's only the middle class and the poor that are getting "gifts" and "handouts" from Obama. Don't you realize that for decades now the very rich have been stuffing the middle class and the poor down an ever narrowing funnel that denies them the chance to rise up on the economic ladder of success, but instead leads them into relying on the federal gov't for even more assistance than before? Assistance that, ironically, the very rich want to take away so as to give them even more control over the nation?

You talk about the rich as if it were a bad thing. They pay more taxes. Being rich means you have lived the American dream.

You wanna talk about the rich? look no further than George Soros.

 

[compuwiz1]

You talk about the rich as if it were a bad thing. They pay more taxes. Being rich means you have lived the American dream.

You wanna talk about the rich? look no further than George Soros.

What does Soros produce in this country, exactly, except fund an agenda of progressive socialism? And the left complain about the Koch brothers.......

 

[John Connor]

I know!

 

[Anarchist420]

I cant believe that so many people who can reason want more public spending. People like Eskimospy and LegendKiller are smart as hell, but they are too much like Hamilton. They prefer short term gain to long term gain. It's not good for the general welfare; it's only mediocre.

Self sacrificing classical liberal men like Ron Paul and Jesus can represent most Americans, but people like hamilton stop them from allowing natural welfare and they use tools like me. Without people like me, the Hamiltonians would have no dominance because the supreme being was Jefferson... the natural order is liberty. Without the Hamiltonians, I wouldnt know the difference and I would just go back into the ground like the piece of shit i am. The supreme being favored me less than Hamilton, but the Hamiltonians need to quit being a bunch of dairy hicks and realize that they're not naturally the very top. 3 of the last 4 psychiatrists I have been to have extreme anti-social and narcissistic tendencies and the fact that they know that there are people who are smarter might have something to do with it. they want to make money off of society while not giving any naturally useful services. Getting rid of patents as well as getting rid of the insurance and ambulance mandates and the controlled substances act would cut way down on their profits, it would cut drug testing (drug testing is just recycling waste, it is totally unproductive and it enriches successfully sneaky people). that way, there would be more cures and more useful, less expensive treatments down the road. HIPAA was also a terrible piece of legislation