Who the hell knew how much address space we needed?

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Lifer
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I thought we still had a few years till we ran out, but looks like it isn't going to take that long. 4.3 billion just wasn't enough. Ipv6 day is coming. I'll have to get a new router, mine is too old to support it and dlink sure isn't going to release new firmware for a 5 year old router.


test site:
http://test-ipv6.com/


http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-20029318-93.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20
Internet pioneer Vint Cerf has sounded the alarm bell once again by warning that the world is about to run out of IP addresses. Cerf, who also serves as Google's chief internet evangelist, pinned the blame on himself for the lack of sufficient addresses in a recent interview published in the Sydney Morning Herald.
Initially seeing the Internet as just an experiment that would eventually end, Cerf said he never anticipated the world would need more than the 4.3 billion addresses currently capable of being allocated.
"Who the hell knew how much address space we needed?" Cerf said in an interview with journalists in Sydney, Australia.
Of course, Cerf is certainly being hard on himself. No one could have foreseen the huge number of mobile devices, consumer appliances, and array of Internet-connected gadgets that would require their own unique addresses.
Cerf, known as a father of the Internet, also cautioned that the current crop of 4.3 billion addresses is due to run out within a few weeks. But when Cerf points to those addresses, he's specifically talking about ones that use the current IPv4, a protocol that limits an IP address to four 8-bit numbers, or 32 bits in total, thus allowing for around 4.3 billion possible combinations.
The world has known for years that we would eventually run out of IPv4 addresses, so industry has been busy striving to make the transition to IPv6. The new protocol, which uses four 32-bit numbers, or 128 bits in total, would allow for 340,282,366,920,938,463,463,374,607,431,768,211,456 unique addresses, hopefully enough to last the world for quite awhile.
Among those working on the jump to IPv6 is Google itself. A recent blog post from the search giant discussed the coming of World IPv6 Day. Set as the first real test flight for IPv6, that day will see Google, Facebook, Yahoo, and a host of Web sites and Internet providers offer their content and services through the new protocol. The goal will be to see what works and what doesn't and determine what kinks need to be ironed out.
Though Google says the vast majority of Internet users should be unaffected by IPv6 day, some may run into connection problems depending on how their devices are configured. The World IPv6 Day Web site offers a test that people can run to see if their own PCs and their Internet providers are set up to handle the new protocol.
 

Jeffg010

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"Cerf, known as a father of the Internet" I though Al Gore was the inventer.
 

Scotteq

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It's like the father, son, and holy ghost. Cerf is the father and Al gore is the holy ghost.


Al Gore as the Holy Ghost??


What: No detectable proof he ever existed in that context, yet for some reason millions of dumbfounded dipshits put him there?
 

SagaLore

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Dec 18, 2001
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IPv4 addressing would have lasted just fine if they hadn't spliced it up as Class A, B, and C, then handed it out like halloween candy.
 

guyver01

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No one could have foreseen the huge number of mobile devices, consumer appliances, and array of Internet-connected gadgets that would require their own unique addresses.

except... the easiest way to fix this... is instead of providing those devices PUBLIC IP address.... they can be NAT'd behind the companies firewall.

You get a Verizon Cell Phone.... You get a 192.x.x.x address... or a 10.x.x.x address.
No need for a public IP address.

Your internet connected refrigerator doesn't need a public ip address.
 

shortylickens

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except... the easiest way to fix this... is instead of providing those devices PUBLIC IP address.... they can be NAT'd behind the companies firewall.

You get a Verizon Cell Phone.... You get a 192.x.x.x address... or a 10.x.x.x address.
No need for a public IP address.

Your internet connected refrigerator doesn't need a public ip address.

Yeah each house at most needs one IP. Everything rout off that.
And businesses probably dont need that many either, if you think about it.

I wonder how much work it would be to add one digit to IP's and change everything. Would we all need new hardware to track that extra digit? Or would simple software updates suffice?
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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ipv6 has enough numbers to give every grain of sand on earth an IP hundreds of times over so atleast we won't be running out any time soon. It's suposed to be more efficient than ip4 too.
 

aceO07

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IPv4 addressing would have lasted just fine if they hadn't spliced it up as Class A, B, and C, then handed it out like halloween candy.

Yup. There's still lots of unused addresses. They might have been allocated to people/companies, but most are not used at all.
 

spidey07

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You won't see wide spread v6 for at least a decade. There are no big plans from any of the carriers to make the move, it just isn't needed.
 

alkemyst

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To bad ipv6 sucks so bad. It's hard to remember and isn't backwards compatible.

Not really most addresses at first will be easily simplified.

Something like:

09cA:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:CDBA

simplifies to:
9cA::CDBA

Also DNS will play a much bigger part.

Most of the reason is Class A space was all handed out generously and burned most of our addresses just in that most.

It's like the battle everyone has getting TV and Radio Stations to release some of their unused bandwidth for other purposes.

However; IPv6 is old now and we are still a ways out from needing it.
 

jersiq

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except... the easiest way to fix this... is instead of providing those devices PUBLIC IP address.... they can be NAT'd behind the companies firewall.

You get a Verizon Cell Phone.... You get a 192.x.x.x address... or a 10.x.x.x address.
No need for a public IP address.

Your internet connected refrigerator doesn't need a public ip address.

It is a complete nightmare to NAT in a wireless environment.

edit: clarify that as a cellular environment.
 
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Genx87

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With NAT IPv4 will be around for awhile. I cant think of a single major ISP that is pushing iPv6.