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Wreckem

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The theatre didn't malfunction, resulting in death. It was an non-connected third party.
There is easily a claim of negligence on part of the theater. The theater is responsible for the safety and security of their patrons.
 

micrometers

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There is easily a claim of negligence on part of the theater. The theater is responsible for the safety and security of their patrons.
I find it hard to believe that the theatre is more responsible for this event than the gun retailers or manufacturers.

Of course, there is the liability shield which prevents suing of them.
 

Phokus

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I could report this post, but I won't. Maybe once you grow up a little, you'll realize that you're not as special as you think. You're not entitled to shit just because you feel like it. Nobody owes you a damn thing just because your life didn't turn out as well as someone else's. Get used to it.
That's a pretty big assumption to make, me and my wife take home pretty good money, have health insurance, and i agree with karmypolitics' sentiment: FUCK YOU
 

silverpig

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There is easily a claim of negligence on part of the theater. The theater is responsible for the safety and security of their patrons.
BS. Your car analogy should be more like suing Avis for getting shot while driving one of their cars.

You sue the theatre if the roof caves in.
 

HAL9000

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The fact that this question has to be asked, makes me hold my head in despair over the state of America.
 

a777pilot

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The fact that this question has to be asked, makes me hold my head in despair over the state of America.
Why?

If there is mass pile up of vehicles on the 405 does the government come in a pay for all the repairs and replacements?
 

Wreckem

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BS. Your car analogy should be more like suing Avis for getting shot while driving one of their cars.

You sue the theatre if the roof caves in.
I didnt make a car analogy.

I made a 9/11 analogy.

And no, premise liability is alot more than just stuff like.
 
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Ns1

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I didnt make a car analogy.

I made a 9/11 analogy.

And no premise liability is alot more than just stuff like.
Not talking about you, talking about this.

Compare this to a car. If the car can suddenly burst into flame or the throttle sticks and kills everyone in the care the seller/Manufacturer has liability.
Using piasabird's analogy, f I get carjacked, Honda is partially responsible.
 

blankslate

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The movie studios because they make da violence moves. Flame on!
The gun dealer(s) who sold the shooter the weapons and magazines and the online ammo vendors who let him purchase hundreds (thousands?) of rounds from a website.

Flame Harder!

Life's not fair, sh!t happens. If anyone doesn't have insurance, that's the choice they made to gamble with their life and lost the bet.
this ^^^^^
Life isn't fair, if a gun dealer sells a weapon or weapons to a person about to snap then they should carry insurance. If they don't they're gambling and may lose that bet.
 

JKing106

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Why?

If there is mass pile up of vehicles on the 405 does the government come in a pay for all the repairs and replacements?
You know, the world will be a much better place when old codgers like you kick the bucket. By the way, how much a month is the rest of America paying to keep your old hateful ass alive? And don't say you deserve it, none of us asked you to do shit, anywhere or anytime.
 

DesiPower

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Well, my cobra, god forbid I need it, it close to 600 individual and 1400 family. Cheaper one will be crap and one ones where the insurance company can weasel out of when you really need them. even if its $300 a month, imagine an individual making 2000 $ a month, that's more than 20% of his/her income after taxes, unacceptable, noone should have to pay 20% of their income for health insurance.
 

BonzaiDuck

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I'll weigh in on this. It's about health insurance and the issues surrounding "Affordable Care Act."

First, please check your free-market logic at the door. The entire concept of "health insurance" is socialist. There wasn't any -- or much of -- health insurance until labor unions began flexing their muscle, and -- check if I'm wrong -- there was a teacher's union in Texas around 1925 which precipitated a first shot at it.

Later, and after the Depression, the government "midwifed" the creation of Blue-Cross Blue-Shield, for civil servants. In the 1950s, I don't think my father had health insurance, but he was an insurance salesman -- diagnosed with a frontal-lobe brain-tumor.

The reason this isn't your usual "private good" situation: whether provided by a corporation or the government, you pay premiums similar to other members, and pool your risk into a collective. That is, health insurance by its very nature is a "collective good" -- therefore, about as close to a "public good" as you can get. It isn't an ice-cream cone you buy and decide not to share with others.

Then there's this "intergenerational transfer" discussion we have. "If I'm young and fulla beans, I don't need health insurance -- I'll take my chances thank you." But you don't know that. I didn't know it in 1972, when I was injured by a large animal, with about $2,000 in emergency room and other expenses. My university health insurance had expired before I'd taken the job with the Park Service -- I didn't even think about it. After it happened, I thought about it every month for a couple years when I wrote checks to pay my expenses and debts. If I'd been less responsible, everyone else would have subsidized my expenses -- just as we justify the "mandate" in the Affordable Care Act.

BAsically, I'll throw this out for what it's worth. The Affordable CAre Act leaves much to be desired -- compared to Canada, UK, New Zealand and a dozen other countries. We've basically patched together a scheme that allows an entire industry to continue, yet both the nature of the "hedge against risk" and the government's role in fostering that industry from the beginning suggest that a simpler choice is only obstructed by need to preserve a status-quo.

And the problem is not only the insurance industry. It's the "health" industry.

A society attempts to reduce risk through a pooling of risk, in any number of situations. Those risks include everything from getting chewed up by a large mammal, to car accidents, or being in the wrong theater at the wrong time with the wrong Bozo in the wrong state-of-mind and an arsenal obtained because we think the right trumps the risk.
 

a777pilot

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You know, the world will be a much better place when old codgers like you kick the bucket. By the way, how much a month is the rest of America paying to keep your old hateful ass alive? And don't say you deserve it, none of us asked you to do shit, anywhere or anytime.
Ah, but you did. Every time you got us in a war. Then every time you bought an airline tickett.

As for how much you are paying to keep my old dumb ass alive....lots Baby, lots!
 

Munky

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Well, my cobra, god forbid I need it, it close to 600 individual and 1400 family. Cheaper one will be crap and one ones where the insurance company can weasel out of when you really need them. even if its $300 a month, imagine an individual making 2000 $ a month, that's more than 20% of his/her income after taxes, unacceptable, noone should have to pay 20% of their income for health insurance.
I'm not saying they should either. The healthcare system in this country is fubared, that part I can agree on. But that's a whole different topic.
 

HAL9000

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Why?

If there is mass pile up of vehicles on the 405 does the government come in a pay for all the repairs and replacements?
Cars aren't alive... I'm not seeing your point? Do you value your life the same as you value your car?
 

Pulsar

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If you operate a business you are liable for people at the business. If your business makes money off of the people then it is your responsibility to insure their safety while they are there. There may be some limits to liability. For instance if you are at a baseball game and get hit by a baseball that may not be covered because that is an expected occurrance. However, it is reasonable to expect a theater designed to hold hundreds of people should insure their safety. If the theater is designed in such a way that there is no security on the exits, then maybe that is the responsibility of the owners. The owners are making a lot of money off of placing a large crowd in a small space so they should also provide some security and a way for people in the theater to exit as quickly as possible. I have been to many theaters where the only way to exit is to go down by the screen, turn around and exit on the sides up a ramp to the front. So often the only way to exit is to go past the shooter. This is a safety flaw and subject to liability.

Compare this to a car. If the car can suddenly burst into flame or the throttle sticks and kills everyone in the care the seller/Manufacturer has liability.
You need to stop talking. Your ability for rational conversation and thought seems to be limited.

This would not be the equivalent of the car bursting into flames.

This crime is the equivalent of being carjacked while driving your car. You're incredibly stupid in suggesting that the car manufacturer should have protected your somehow from the carjacking beyond having door locks, just because they know carjackings happen on occasion.

Anyway, horribly analogies aside, it's up to the individuals to pay, and to use their legal means to go after the perpetrator. Being able to sue the theater and have their insurance pay out is a sick side effect of our totally broken legal system.
 

JKing106

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You're talking to people too stupid to create their own analogies. They heard some talking head on Fox or right wing radio who got the memo to use the car analogy, and viola, every right wing moron in the world is using it.
 

DrPizza

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Well, my cobra, god forbid I need it, it close to 600 individual and 1400 family. Cheaper one will be crap and one ones where the insurance company can weasel out of when you really need them. even if its $300 a month, imagine an individual making 2000 $ a month, that's more than 20% of his/her income after taxes, unacceptable, noone should have to pay 20% of their income for health insurance.
My employer pays for my health insurance. Well, most of it. If instead, my employer gave me that money and I bought the same policy, it would easily have been 20% of my salary, the first few years I worked there.
 

Capt Caveman

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The theatre didn't malfunction, resulting in death. It was an non-connected third party.
You mean not having an user or monitoring system to ensure/alert if an exit door was left open? Closing of the door could have prevented the massacre or given more warning to patrons to gtfo if Holmes needed to shoot the door open to get back in.
 

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