"Who sent my son to die?"

Nik

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http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/...ican.killed/index.html

(CNN) -- The family of a Somali-American man who died in Somalia have said they want to know who is responsible for recruiting him to join an al Qaeda-linked Islamist insurgency.

..."He must have been somewhat disillusioned and indoctrinated because he didn't have any clue about Somalia at all. So someone somewhere must be responsible for his disappearance." ...

Aren't parents supposed to teach their children to be responsible for their own actions? If he didn't have a clue about Somalia, he couldn't possibly have gone for some other reason, right? :roll:

This mother wants to point fingers at everyone else but refuses to believe that her son was a dumbass.
 

Moonbeam

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I suggest you lose a few of your own children before referring to this mother as a dumb ass.
 

Nik

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I suggest you lose a few of your own children before referring to this mother as a dumb ass.

Kindly quote where I've called the mother a dumbass.

:roll: After all these years, you're still a tool, Moonbeam.
 

yllus

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They spoke to CNN on Sunday shortly after news surfaced of Jamal Bana's death, and said they are baffled by what is going on in Minneapolis.

"Of course I'm scared," Asha Ali said. "If that happened in Minneapolis, it could happen anywhere."

It seems like it's sleepy suburbs that stand the best chance of radicalizing these young men. Their families come over using a refugee status. Their young struggle to bridge their parents' old school ways and the reality of living in North America, while also being poor and often with little in the way of language skills. They feel isolated and try to find comfort or meaning in religion, which has the unfortunately tendency of building us vs. them resentment - even if they are living in Minneapolis of all places.
 

compuwiz1

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Originally posted by: ScottyB
Sounds like she needs to take it up with Al Qaeda's HR department.

Oh, I'm sure Al Qaeda has a "Human Resources Dept". Expendable human resources. :shocked:

 

Lemon law

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Oh wonderful, some Somali parent loses a child to the greed of Al-Quida, how about all those US parents who lost their sons and daughters to the stupidity pissing contest ego of some clueless US President and his administration. We can blame Vietnam on LBJ, Nixon, Kennedy, Eisenhower, and Truman, 58,000 American lives pissed away for nothing, another 2,000,000 Vietnamese body bags filled, whoopie we gave better than we got, but does that kill ratio matter one iota in the end?

Oh when will we ever learn?

Get a clue compuwiz1, we don't have department of expendable human resources either.

And to add injury to insult, our so called war on terror has created more terrorists than we had before 911. Can anyone spell counterproductive or clueless?
 

Nik

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Oh wonderful, some Somali parent loses a child to the greed of Al-Quida, how about all those US parents who lost their sons and daughters to the stupidity pissing contest ego of some clueless US President and his administration. We can blame Vietnam on LBJ, Nixon, Kennedy, Eisenhower, and Truman, 58,000 American lives pissed away for nothing, another 2,000,000 Vietnamese body bags filled, whoopie we gave better than we got, but does that kill ratio matter one iota in the end?

Oh when will we ever learn?

Get a clue compuwiz1, we don't have department of expendable human resources either.

And to add injury to insult, our so called war on terror has created more terrorists than we had before 911. Can anyone spell counterproductive or clueless?

Yes, because 911 is our fault and each and every terrorist that has ever joined a terrorist agency is directly our fault. I bet you think we never landed on the moon, either. I bet you refuse to believe that we never found WMDs in Iraq. I bet you refuse to believe that the US was supplied intel from other countries regarding Iraq's military stance and that we weren't the only country diving in. I bet you think Osama is still in Afghanistan. I bet you refuse to believe that Iraq was the target for Al-Qaeda's next home base. Blah blah blah, nevermind. You just keep right on buying into your bullshit garbage.
 

Lemon law

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Nik, you can bet your sweet bippie I never believed GWB&co lies about Iraqi WMD, if you did, you should have learned better. Are you still brain dead?
 

Nik

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Nik, you can bet your sweet bippie I never believed GWB&co lies about Iraqi WMD, if you did, you should have learned better. Are you still brain dead?

Documents were declassified years ago with a complete list of WMDs found in Iraq.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I suggest you lose a few of your own children before referring to this mother as a dumb ass.

Kindly quote where I've called the mother a dumbass.

:roll: After all these years, you're still a tool, Moonbeam.

What I did was tell you what a callow little prick you are to have judged some grieving parent experiencing something you have not with your two bit cheep comment about her son. I forgot in the process your exact words, but I didn't miss seeing what a jerk your lack of feeling makes you.

May you never lose any of your own children or have then referred to that way.
 

Nik

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I suggest you lose a few of your own children before referring to this mother as a dumb ass.

Kindly quote where I've called the mother a dumbass.

:roll: After all these years, you're still a tool, Moonbeam.

What I did was tell you what a callow little prick you are to have judged some grieving parent experiencing something you have not with your two bit cheep comment about her son. I forgot in the process your exact words, but I didn't miss seeing what a jerk your lack of feeling makes you.

May you never lose any of your own children or have then referred to that way.

If you "forgot" my exact words, you can scroll up. It would have been a whole 2 posts up from your original retarded knee-jerk reaction.

It doesn't matter whether she's grieving or not. Her son made the choice and she refuses to accept that. She's not the only person on the planet who's ever lost a loved one due to stupid decisions.

I hope I'll never lose a child, yes. However, if I do, I certainly won't be stupid enough to think that they're not responsible for their own actions as an adult.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I suggest you lose a few of your own children before referring to this mother as a dumb ass.

Kindly quote where I've called the mother a dumbass.

:roll: After all these years, you're still a tool, Moonbeam.

What I did was tell you what a callow little prick you are to have judged some grieving parent experiencing something you have not with your two bit cheep comment about her son. I forgot in the process your exact words, but I didn't miss seeing what a jerk your lack of feeling makes you.

May you never lose any of your own children or have then referred to that way.

If you "forgot" my exact words, you can scroll up. It would have been a whole 2 posts up from your original retarded knee-jerk reaction.

It doesn't matter whether she's grieving or not. Her son made the choice and she refuses to accept that. She's not the only person on the planet who's ever lost a loved one due to stupid decisions.

I hope I'll never lose a child, yes. However, if I do, I certainly won't be stupid enough to think that they're not responsible for their own actions as an adult.

You don't know what you'll think or how you will react, you idiot, any more than you thought before you posted originally. And when you finally have enough on your mind that you actually forget something yourself, you may note, if you are smart, that you won't know necessarily go back and check on even if the information is as close as your ass, because you won't know you misremembered.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Oh wonderful, some Somali parent loses a child to the greed of Al-Quida, how about all those US parents who lost their sons and daughters to the stupidity pissing contest ego of some clueless US President and his administration. We can blame Vietnam on LBJ, Nixon, Kennedy, Eisenhower, and Truman, 58,000 American lives pissed away for nothing, another 2,000,000 Vietnamese body bags filled, whoopie we gave better than we got, but does that kill ratio matter one iota in the end?

Oh when will we ever learn?

Get a clue compuwiz1, we don't have department of expendable human resources either.

And to add injury to insult, our so called war on terror has created more terrorists than we had before 911. Can anyone spell counterproductive or clueless?

Yes, because 911 is our fault and each and every terrorist that has ever joined a terrorist agency is directly our fault.

Yes, because everyone who opposes the US has no reason at all and is nothing but an evil bond villain minion. The US has never done any wrong. It has never supported brutal colonial regimes, never supported brutal regimes who serve its interests in exchange for security, never assassinated leaders who won't serve its demands, never created terrorist forces to force populations to do as it demands, never armed thuggish regimes.

IN the middle east in partiucular, it has never allied with and backed regimes that oppress and torture to this day, never practiced ruthless policies with Saddam where he was supported if he'd launch an aggressive invasion of Iran in the longest war in the 20th century where a million casualties were caused, incenting him with the promise of allowing him to retake Kuwait and then using his doing so to turn on him when it suited our interests, never creating US military bases in Saudi Arabia offensive to many Muslims, never then forced sanctions killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqi women and children largely with shortages and disease, never following that war told the Kurds to rise up against Saddam and then allowed Saddam to mow them down because we felt safer with him in charge, just with his military weakened, nevergave billions in aid to regimes like Egypt's who regularly torture, never overthrew democracy in Iran for cheap oil, never tried to establish a radical right-wing regime subservient to US interests in Iraq and ran the war against Saddam so badly that the there were nearly a million Iraqis killed, and millions of refugees and there national resources of 20 billion dollars just wasted to corruption, never backed Israel's corrupt oppression of Palestinians for our own interests to have an 'ally' who would do favors such as being the middleman to sell missiles to Iran so we could raise funds for the terrorist Contras Congress had prohibited funding.

No, no one has any reason to oppose the US. They're all just evil nazis.

Now, let's see if you can combine an ad hominem attack and a straw man to show how bankrupt your commentary is:

never I bet you think we never landed on the moon, either.

Bravo!

Now, let's add a little irony, to the above, so that you take an example which argues AGAINST your claims, and try to turn it around into an attack on the other side:

I bet you refuse to believe that we never found WMDs in Iraq.

Astoundingly disgusting. Yes, it's those who make a habit of recognizing US wrongs who are the defenders that there really were WMD and the war was well done.

Time to back off a little from the patently absurd and try to weasel in some rationalization of the 'mistakes'.

I bet you refuse to believe that the US was supplied intel from other countries regarding Iraq's military stance and that we weren't the only country diving in.

Of course! The fact that the critical WMD intelligence came from "Curveball" who was an unreliable refugee in Germany who was trying to buy his way in one of the few spots for asylum that only one in 25 Iraqi refugees could get by telling them what they wanted to hear, the fact that the US never met or interviewed Curveball before basing its national policy on hiw claims, the fact the US ignored German warnings he was unreliable to do so, the fact that the Vice President was repatedly visiting the CIA to directly pressure its analyssts to come to the wrong conclusion, following his policiy determination to invade Iraq for reasons of oil and the Neocon power agenda, as reflected in his 'energy taek force' minutes having maps of Iraqi oil fields -the fact that Bush lied to obtain the authorization for war promising it would only be used for inspections if the inspections could be completed, and instead ordered the inspectors OUT as they were close to concluding there were no WMD so he could invade before they did - doesn't matter, it was an honest oops!

Now, let's just argue he's an idiot for an opinion he hasn't expressed, about which you do not know the answer yourself:

I bet you think Osama is still in Afghanistan.

Now, back to the rationalizations - make an allegation based on speculation about something you claim might have been possible to happen, while you ignore the fact that it had been refused by the actual leadership, ignoring the US administration's efforts to lie to say it had happened while it had not:

[I bet you refuse to believe that Iraq was the target for Al-Qaeda's next home base. Blah blah blah, neve[/quote]

And now, try to make us not notice the idiocy above by topping it with even more shocking idiocy to the point that you earn - anf I now award you - the Irony of the Week award:

rmind. You just keep right on buying into your bullshit garbage.

 

Nik

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Nik
tl;dr

Your lack of response to the above is a very clear statement.

That's kinda funny. When you post something of value, I'll give you an actual reply.
 

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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Nik, you can bet your sweet bippie I never believed GWB&co lies about Iraqi WMD, if you did, you should have learned better. Are you still brain dead?

Documents were declassified years ago with a complete list of WMDs found in Iraq.

Where is this list and who typed it, Dick Cheney, or was it rummy?

 

Nik

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Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Nik, you can bet your sweet bippie I never believed GWB&co lies about Iraqi WMD, if you did, you should have learned better. Are you still brain dead?

Documents were declassified years ago with a complete list of WMDs found in Iraq.

Where is this list and who typed it, Dick Cheney?

It was a .pdf from a .gov site. It was even posted here on AT. I don't know where it is and I couldn't possibly give less of a shit since this isn't what I came to P&N to troll --err, post about.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Nik
tl;dr

Your lack of response to the above is a very clear statement.

That's kinda funny. When you post something of value, I'll give you an actual reply.

How will you know, you can't ecognize a post of value, and you did not even read this one, unless you are lying when you say you did not. You're an idiot.
 

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When you have children you start to understand what it's like to lose a child. Still, this mentality of blaming everyone except the person who actually made the choice to do something stupid is all too pervasive in society. I feel sorry for anyone who loses a loved one, but if that loved one went to join Al-Queda, then I say "sorry about your loss, but good riddance".
 

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Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Originally posted by: ScottyB
Sounds like she needs to take it up with Al Qaeda's HR department.

Oh, I'm sure Al Qaeda has a "Human Resources Dept". Expendable human resources. :shocked:

Bravo! :laugh:
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Originally posted by: ScottyB
Sounds like she needs to take it up with Al Qaeda's HR department.

Oh, I'm sure Al Qaeda has a "Human Resources Dept". Expendable human resources. :shocked:

Bravo! :laugh:

The same could be said for pretty much any military organization - the bigger the discrepency in the power of the two sides, the more drastic the measures the weaker side takes.

I guess the loss of hundreds of thousands of American lives in the US civil war has nothing to do with 'expendable' human resources, the Vietnamese fight for freedom from colonization losing masses of people in a desperate and successful effort to win that war, the Japanese kamikazes and ground troops who refused to surrender, and so on.

No, it's better to laugh at the human losses of any side, the more desperate the funnier.