Definitely.
In a million years, give or take a few hundred thousand.
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On the global warming issue?
We are, most likely, in a period of warming. (Wow! Big surprise, eh?)
However, the amount of C02 man emits, even at conservative estimates, is enough to vastly accellerate the process, and cause a lot of damage.
IMHO, global warming is overstated. The damage is going to take hundreds of years to occur.
Of course, we're going to be !@$!$#ed when it does.
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Oh, and a side note to SUV owners?
Shove it up your tailpipe.
I don't own a car. I bicycle everywhere. You schmucks are my most likely cause of death. Many other people of limited income also use bicycles or mopeds for transportation, and we don't want to be squished.
Furthermore, you're a traffic hazzard (Lo and Behold, some of us drive Ford Foci!) to anyone in a car smaller than you, and you wear out the roads.
My parents do own a SUV, a Honda CRV. They also own a Mazda3, which my father uses to commute to work, and gets the majority of the mileage. The CRV is great for hauling groceries, does'nt obstruct view like a Ford Exploitation, and gets decent mileage; we get 27+ mpg highway. And it does far better than most large SUVs in snow.
No, global warming is not your fault. You're not helping, though, and you're making a lot of problems for people poorer than you.
1: Humans are producing large amounts of 'greenhouse gasses'.
2: Our understanding of physics tells us that adding these gasses to the system increses it's retention of heat.
3: The earth is heating up.
So is there any reason not to believe at least some of the current warming is caused by these gasses? IMO there's only one thing to conclude at this point, unless you ignore the consensus of the world scientific community about point 2, and if you're going to do that you may as well reject logic entirely and make all decisions by rolling dice.
1. What is a large amount on a global scale compared to the peak that the Vostok core already shows? Our increase, over the past 100 years, is jack crap compared to the 10,000 year peak we are now in. BFD.
2. Sure X + Y = Z, but that doesn't mean that X is cause by humans.
3. Yeah, and the amount of radiation from the sun is increasing too!?!
And? Again, compared to the amout of Co2 from the Vostok cores and the fact that statistically we cannot correlate OUR increase with ANY increase on a global scale, it comes down to what we theorize, but cannot conclusively prove.
Statistically speaking, GW is a bunch of bullcrap.
There's no debate about whether it's happening or not - there is debate about whether we have a damn thing to do with it, and quite frankly, I think we don't.
Wait people is still crying global warming?
There was a thing on the history channel that the new Ice Age is coming!!!!!
While watching that program the only thing going threw my mind was the scene from the movie "Ice Age" where the dodos are like "Prepare for the Ice age"
God the arrogance of people who claim to work in the name of science.
Back in the olden days they used to burn such heritics at the stake(along with the ocasional witch, jew and other non-Catholic) Luckly we don't do that anymore but I think we need to make an exception for these crackpot scientists crying global warming and the coming of a new Ice Age(You do realize the last Ice Age ended less that 200 years ago of course things are going to warm up. Just before the start of the last Ice Age in 1350, the Vikings were FARMING in GREENLAND. Call me when we can grow coffee or some other warm climate crop in Greenland. Until then there is nothing to worry about)
There was a thing on the history channel that the new Ice Age is coming!!!!!
While watching that program the only thing going threw my mind was the scene from the movie "Ice Age" where the dodos are like "Prepare for the Ice age"
God the arrogance of people who claim to work in the name of science.
Back in the olden days they used to burn such heritics at the stake(along with the ocasional witch, jew and other non-Catholic) Luckly we don't do that anymore but I think we need to make an exception for these crackpot scientists crying global warming and the coming of a new Ice Age(You do realize the last Ice Age ended less that 200 years ago of course things are going to warm up. Just before the start of the last Ice Age in 1350, the Vikings were FARMING in GREENLAND. Call me when we can grow coffee or some other warm climate crop in Greenland. Until then there is nothing to worry about)
Originally posted by: winr
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Seattle is more likely to get hit with a tsunami before rising sea levels consume Texas.
ice caps, while retreating (diameter getting smaller), they are getting thicker in the center...
link to article about and article in SCIENCE-
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1485573.htm
so who knows whats going on
link to article about and article in SCIENCE-
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1485573.htm
so who knows whats going on
That doesn't really matter. Even if a natural CO2 increase accounted for 90% of current increase, we still shouldn't be making it worse... we have to do something right? Regardless of 'blame'... or would you be happy for much of the world to sink by next century?
The options are, a) build a giant shade to reduce the sun's radiation, b) clean the atmosphere and maybe even alter it to retain less heat than it would naturally, or, c) die.
Handily, option B would also solve health problems caused by pollution.
yeah and dont get me wrong i am not for a dirty environment, i just hate that people use baseless scare tactics to get people to do things...i hate it when both sides of the political spectrum do it
Back in the early 1400s when the little Ice Age was starting "they"(the people of europe) sent preists to send back the glaciers that were encroaching on peoples farm lands and into villages. They would splash holy water on the glaciers in order to drive them back to the artic because they thought they were possed by evil demons.
I see 600 years later humans still pactice the same superstitious voodo to explain things and solve problems they do not understand.
If humanity dies out because of a climate shift, it's not the CO2 or the CFCs that were pumped into the atmosphere that will cause the dimise of humans but their arrogance to accept there are things way beyond their control and faliure to adapt to such changes.
You really have no idea how much this type of arrogance really makes me mad.
Woah... science = superstition? Looks like you've got a contradiction in terms there buddy.
So people should just move somewhere that won't be affected? What about people who can't afford it? Do they have a place in your plan?
Would you be against firing missiles at asteroids to stop them hitting earth? Why should these things be beyond our control?
What? Why?
mostly. from what i understand, california (defined by it's borders) will not break off. If anything (EXTREMES) happens, it would be along the major fault line, San Andreas. The fault seperates the Pacific Plate and the North American plate. If anything, the western part of the fault line would creep north.
Save those pennies ... the Bay Area might have some new neighbors in Eureka!!
I think what he's saying is that we don't know that humans, and not a normal cyclical climactic pattern, is responsible for global warming. IE: ice core samples support the idea that it is a natural cycle over the past millions of years. It has happened many times before we got here.
He isn't saying that we should sit back and not prevent something from happening that is preventable. He is saying that we wouldn't be able to do anything about a natural global warming cycle which has been going on for the history of the Earth. Even if you stopped all human activity right now, it would still happen.
Think about this for a moment. A parallel universe( if your mind can comprehend such a concept) It's the early 1300s just before the start of the Little Ice age; Humanity has the technological development of late 20th/early 21st century of Our Earth. Their scientists discover that the planet is cooling and they will be hit for a Ice Age(They know it for a fact, it's not guess work. The cause is a sudden change in the convection currents and a drop is radiation output from the sun) What do you think they would do to prevent it? It is simple, pump out more CO2 to create a greenhouse effect which retains more heat from the sun. It's a good idea, it works. The Ice Age is avoided and life goes on. A few hundred years later, the convection currents return back to "normal" as does the radiation output from the sun. Well guess what. All that CO2 that was pumped into the atmosphere a few hundred years before is too much and is retaining way too much heat. You should be able to conclude where that goes.
Now lets think about 10,000 years ago at the end of the last major Ice Age. Glaciers are melting, the seas are rising. People living in low lying costal areas are getting flooded more often. What would the people of a parallel Earth do in that situation? Would they try to terraform the earth to stay the frozen waste land which is all they knew in recent history? They are experince global warming after all. The warmer temperaturs are not normal to them.
The point I'm trying to make is, if we start intentionally screwing with the climate before we fully understand it we will only make things worse down the road. The climate of earth has changed many many times over the past 4 billion years. What humanity has done in the past 150 years is nothing compared to what mother nature can dish out.
As for the poor people unable to move out of the effected areas. Hey if primitive man was able to migrate all over the globe during the last major Ice Age, a few squatters can do the same or parrish. Sounds cruel but nature does not care. Adapt or go extinct.
If you don't like nature, go build a orbatial space station to live on. You'll need to adapt to micro-gravity and solar radiation however.
And for the firing a missle at an asteriod. That's pretty much a situation of absolutes variables. It is just a matter of finding the asteriod in time and having the means to change its trajectory. If it is on a collision course with earth(meaning it is going to hit if we just sit on our hands) you can't make it any worse by trying something. If you fail your dead. You do nothing your dead. The same can not be said for terraforming a planet(expecially one known for drastic climate changes from time to time)
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Just think of the histeria if we failed to understand the concepts of the 4 seasons(Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter) and the reason for them(outside the myths and superstitions)
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