Who rules America? The rich and elite, average American's are insignificant

Oldgamer

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Link to the news source from thehill.com

Who rules America?

"The public be damned!"
— William H. Vanderbilt, railroad magnate, 1882

A shattering new study by two political science professors has found that ordinary Americans have virtually no impact whatsoever on the making of national policy in our country. The analysts found that rich individuals and business-controlled interest groups largely shape policy outcomes in the United States.

This study should be a loud wake-up call to the vast majority of Americans who are bypassed by their government. To reclaim the promise of American democracy, ordinary citizens must act positively to change the relationship between the people and our government

The new study, with the jaw-clenching title of "Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens," is forthcoming in the fall 2014 edition of Perspectives on Politics. Its authors, Martin Gilens of Princeton University and Benjamin Page of Northwestern University, examined survey data on 1,779 national policy issues for which they could gauge the preferences of average citizens, economic elites, mass-based interest groups and business-dominated interest groups. They used statistical methods to determine the influence of each of these four groups on policy outcomes, including both policies that are adopted and rejected.
The analysts found that when controlling for the power of economic elites and organized interest groups, the influence of ordinary Americans registers at a "non-significant, near-zero level." The analysts further discovered that rich individuals and business-dominated interest groups dominate the policymaking process. The mass-based interest groups had minimal influence compared to the business-based interest groups.

The study also debunks the notion that the policy preferences of business and the rich reflect the views of common citizens. They found to the contrary that such preferences often sharply diverge and when they do, the economic elites and business interests almost always win and the ordinary Americans lose.

The authors also say that given limitations to tapping into the full power elite in America and their policy preferences, "the real world impact of elites upon public policy may be still greater" than their findings indicate.

Ultimately, Gilens and Page conclude from their work, "economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence."

Rich individuals and business interests have the capacity to hire the lobbyists that shadow legislators in Washington and to fill the campaign coffers of political candidates. Ordinary citizens are themselves partly to blame, however, because they do not choose to vote.

America's turnout rate places us near the bottom of industrialized democracies. More than 90 million eligible Americans did not vote in the presidential election of 2012 and more than 120 million did not vote in the midterm elections of 2010.

Electoral turnout in the United States is highly correlated with economic standing: The more affluent Americans vote in much higher proportion than the less affluent. A study by Ellen Shearer of the Medill School of Journalism at Northwestern found that 59 percent of 2012 voters earned $50,000 or more per year, compared to 39 percent of non-voters. Only 12 percent of non-voters earned more than $75,000, compared to 31 percent of voters.

Ordinary citizens in recent decades have largely abandoned their participation in grassroots movements. Politicians respond to the mass mobilization of everyday Americans as proven by the civil rights and women's movements of the 1960s and 1970s. But no comparable movements exist today. Without a substantial presence on the ground, people-oriented interest groups cannot compete against their wealthy adversaries.

Average Americans also have failed to deploy the political techniques used by elites. Political Action Committees (PACs) and super-PACs, for example, raise large sums of money to sway the outcome of any election in the United States. Although average Americans cannot match the economic power of the rich, large numbers of modest contributions can still finance PACs and super-PACs that advance our common interests.

If only they vote and organize, ordinary Americans can reclaim American democracy and challenge the politicians who still echo the view of old Vanderbilt that the public should be damned.

Lichtman is distinguished professor of history at American University in Washington.


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If American's, especially the younger ones don't vote, then you get this. You lose your rights to the wealthy, elite and the powerful. By not voting and getting out and getting involved in political policies, we effectively kill our democracy. There should be a book called "How American's killed their Democracy".
 

brandonb

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What it boils down to is this:

People are apathetic about their lives. They care more about their local football team than politics. Politics is almost a dirty word. If you bring up politics, people think you're weird and will want to avoid you. That or they fear that if they share their thoughts, word will travel by gossip and people will be shunned because of some obscure viewpoint, or people will actively try to attack you to "get even" maybe go as far as trying to ruin your career based on some political viewpoint you may or maybe not even hold.

So really the only bandwagon people want to jump on is what is popular at the moment. Movements usually happen through the media. The media is owned by mentioned rich people. So therefore, we do their bidding without even realizing it.

When it comes down to it. Voting doesn't matter.
 

glenn1

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If American's, especially the younger ones don't vote, then you get this. You lose your rights to the wealthy, elite and the powerful. By not voting and getting out and getting involved in political policies, we effectively kill our democracy. There should be a book called "How American's killed their Democracy".

I'm sorry you cannot seem to lull the poor proles out of their apathy to vote for the massive wealth redistribution you desire. You would probably also very much dislike the populist policies that the masses would support.
 

piasabird

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The Liberal Media does.

In many ways the Media can choose not to bring up the agenda they don't want to hear. The public only knows what they hear and see from the Media and the press. If you control the media, you can brainwash most people.
 
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SMOGZINN

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This study should be a loud wake-up call to the vast majority of Americans who are bypassed by their government. To reclaim the promise of American democracy, ordinary citizens must act positively to change the relationship between the people and our government

The question that the article does not answer is how should the average American act to positively change the relationship between people and our government? I think if we could come up with a solution to that problem people would act. But it seems to me, and many average Americans, that the only action that would have a positive effect is armed revolt, and we are not that desperate yet.
 

Texashiker

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A shattering new study by two political science professors has found that ordinary Americans have virtually no impact whatsoever on the making of national policy in our country.

We have known this for at least a century.

The people are so gullible they voted to allow the government to tax their income.

Income tax
Prohibition
Federal reserve
Electing FDR 4 times
IRS
War on drugs
Electing obama twice
Affordable health care act

People are stupid.
 

MagickMan

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whats the point in voting? both sides are evil and will do what it takes to keep that power.

Correct answer. The truly pathetic people are the ones who believe that a particular party cares more about them than another. They're all career scumbags. The only real power "common" folk have is on a local level, federal and state governments were bought out long ago.
 

Thebobo

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We have known this for at least a century.

The people are so gullible they voted to allow the government to tax their income.

Income tax
Prohibition
Federal reserve
Electing FDR 4 times
IRS
War on drugs
Electing obama twice
Affordable health care act

People are stupid.

There was a vote to tax our income? dang I missed that.
 

SMOGZINN

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There is a solution.

Vote the 2 major parties out of office.

And vote which two in? America would have to come to some sort of consensus on this before it would be possible, and doing so would probably doom those parties to be infiltrated or destroyed by the very things we are trying to get rid of.

Our system is carefully designed to maintain a 2 party system, and to make it very difficult to let a 3rd party to push it's way in. For the most part the only time a 3rd party can do so is when one of the two main parties collapse, then a 3rd party can be formed from a subset of the dead party. This could happen with the Republicans if they can't win in the next few election cycles. They will collapse and the Tea Party will become the new major party.

Any other 3rd party has to compete against the other 3rd parties to get votes, and that dilutes those votes so badly that all that happens is they all lose to even a very weak primary party.
 

Texashiker

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There was a vote to tax our income? dang I missed that.

Don't worry, your great grandparents voted for you.


And vote which two in? America would have to come to some sort of consensus on this before it would be possible, and doing so would probably doom those parties to be infiltrated or destroyed by the very things we are trying to get rid of.

People complain the system is rigged. While those same people vote for the same two parties year after year.

If we want real change in government, first we have to change the way we voe.
 

Londo_Jowo

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If American's, especially the younger ones don't vote, then you get this. You lose your rights to the wealthy, elite and the powerful. By not voting and getting out and getting involved in political policies, we effectively kill our democracy. There should be a book called "How American's killed their Democracy".

Chances are many in here who not young have never taken the time to write their representatives a letter or email much less go to a town hall style meeting or a greet & meet with one. Some I would bet don't vote either. Yet these same people cry the most that congress/senate doesn't listen to the people. Last I check none in the congress or senate are mind readers and they damned sure don't waste their time reading posts in forums such as this one.
 

Texashiker

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Chances are many in here who not young have never taken the time to write their representatives a letter or email much less go to a town hall style meeting or a greet & meet with one. Some I would bet don't vote either. Yet these same people cry the most that congress/senate doesn't listen to the people. Last I check none in the congress or senate are mind readers and they damned sure don't waste their time reading posts in forums such as this one.

When GATT was up to be ratified by the senate, I called the office of Kay Bailey Hutchison and told the aid that answered the phone to please ask Kay to vote against the treaty.

The aid told me Kay Hutchison was in favor of free trade. The aid then went on to tell me that ratifying the treaty would create jobs here in the states.

I wonder what the senators who voted to ratify GATT think about that train wreck now? Hows that vacuum sound of our jobs going to china sound 2 decades later.
 

BoberFett

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People won't vote third party because they can't win. Third parties can't win because people won't vote for them.

Ds and Rs will continue to give us more of the same. Why wouldn't they? They have the votes locked in.
 

Nebor

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What it boils down to is this:

People are apathetic about their lives. They care more about their local football team than politics. Politics is almost a dirty word. If you bring up politics, people think you're weird and will want to avoid you. That or they fear that if they share their thoughts, word will travel by gossip and people will be shunned because of some obscure viewpoint, or people will actively try to attack you to "get even" maybe go as far as trying to ruin your career based on some political viewpoint you may or maybe not even hold.

I think that's pretty accurate. I hang out with 22-34 year olds, and I can't tell you the last time I've heard politics or religion discussed. Even diet is discussed less and less as no one wants to get in an argument with a vegan pescatologist over the evils of GMO whatever. In fact, I haven't discussed religion or politics with anyone I've dated in the last 5 years.
 

Nebor

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Chances are many in here who not young have never taken the time to write their representatives a letter or email much less go to a town hall style meeting or a greet & meet with one. Some I would bet don't vote either. Yet these same people cry the most that congress/senate doesn't listen to the people. Last I check none in the congress or senate are mind readers and they damned sure don't waste their time reading posts in forums such as this one.

I don't vote. It's a waste of time. The odds of an individual vote deciding an election are astronomical. Living in Texas only exacerbates that issue.

And I generally think things here in the US are pretty good. I don't have strong feelings one way or another about most political issues. Even if they weren't, it's unlikely that they could be solved with our democracy.