who needs foreign spys when u have the white house
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phillyTIM
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this is a joke, as is putting the fox in charge of the chicken coup.
cuz thats what this would be should the white house get it's dirty hands out of george's A## and into this.
they are running scared, because they know they did something wrong....and they want to "clean it up".
no way, get the independent investigators in here NOW before they destroy all the evidence.
cuz thats what this would be should the white house get it's dirty hands out of george's A## and into this.
they are running scared, because they know they did something wrong....and they want to "clean it up".
no way, get the independent investigators in here NOW before they destroy all the evidence.
That is very distrubing to me.
I think the whole administration should be put in prison for this.
there is no excuse for hanging your own people out to dry.
this bush administration is no better than saddam himself.
she was dealing with terrorists who did not know she was a CIA operative. now they know
who she is. they might be so inclinded to hunt her and her family down.
this administration might have well just killed them instead of them living in fear.
I think the whole administration should be put in prison for this.
there is no excuse for hanging your own people out to dry.
this bush administration is no better than saddam himself.
she was dealing with terrorists who did not know she was a CIA operative. now they know
who she is. they might be so inclinded to hunt her and her family down.
this administration might have well just killed them instead of them living in fear.
Hayabusa Rider
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Why go throught the trouble of faking concern when you can have a lame external agency (DOJ) do the work and claim independence?
Is there nothing the Bush administration won't do to advance their agenda?
Here's the take on this latest outrage from the NY Times.
A Top Bush Aide Didn't Identify C.I.A. Agent, White House Says
By ERIC LICHTBLAU and RICHARD W. STEVENSON
Published: September 30, 2003
WASHINGTON, Sept. 29 ? The White House today dismissed as "ridiculous" the suggestion that Karl Rove, senior adviser to President Bush, had illegally disclosed the identity of an undercover C.I.A. officer, as the F.B.I. opened an investigation into the case.
At the same time, the White House rejected growing calls from Democrats for the appointment of a special outside counsel to determine whether someone in the administration had disclosed the officer's identity in an effort to punish criticism of its Iraqi intelligence by the officer's husband.
Asked if there was a need for an independent counsel, Scott McClellan, the White House spokesman, said, "At this point, I think the Department of Justice would be the appropriate one to look into a matter like this."
Pressed on whether there would be a potential conflict of interest for Attorney General John Ashcroft to oversee an investigation that could have immense political implications for Mr. Bush, Mr. McClellan said that there were "a lot of career professionals" at the Justice Department and that "they're the ones that, if something like this happened, should look into it."
The growing furor underscored the Bush administration's continued political vulnerability on the issue of whether it exaggerated the threat from Iraq before the war. The developments also raised questions about the relationship between the White House and George J. Tenet, the director of central intelligence.
It was the C.I.A.'s general counsel who asked the Justice Department to open an inquiry into the July newspaper column, by the syndicated writer Robert Novak, that identified an undercover C.I.A. agent.
The firestorm over the leak comes at a time when even some Republicans in Congress are beginning to cast a more skeptical eye on the administration's use of intelligence to make its case against Iraq. In an interim assessment made public over the weekend, the senior Republican and senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee said there were "too many uncertainties" in the intelligence underlying the National Intelligence Estimate used by the administration to justify the war.
The White House sought today to head off the calls for a special counsel as numerous Democratic lawmakers and presidential candidates said they doubted that the Justice Department could investigate without at least the appearance of a conflict of interest.
One Democratic presidential candidate, Senator Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut, said the situation was reason enough to revive the independent counsel law, which Congress allowed to die in 1999 after widespread concern over Kenneth W. Starr's Whitewater investigation.
The current regulations, put in place by former Attorney General Janet Reno, give Mr. Ashcroft discretion over whether to appoint a special counsel if the department appears to have a conflict of interest.
Mr. Ashcroft would have authority to hire and fire the special counsel, but he would also have to report to Congress if he were to block any legal action by the special counsel.
In a letter to Mr. Ashcroft, the Senate minority leader, Tom Daschle of South Dakota, and three other leading Democrats said, "We do not believe that this investigation of senior Bush administration officials, possibly including high-level White House staff, can be conducted by the Justice Department because of the obvious and inherent conflicts of interest involved."
Mr. Bush ignored a reporter's shouted question about the matter this afternoon during an appearance in the Rose Garden.
Mr. Novak's column centered on a retired diplomat, Joseph C. Wilson 4th, who concluded more than a year and a half ago in a report for the C.I.A. that there was no clear evidence that Saddam Hussein had tried to buy uranium ore from Africa in order to build nuclear weapons.
Mr. Novak disclosed in his column that although Mr. Wilson never worked for the C.I.A., his wife, Valerie Plame, "is an agency operative on weapons of mass destruction" and that "two senior administration officials" told him that she was the one who suggested sending him to Africa.
Speaking on CNN today, Mr. Novak said, "Nobody in the Bush administration called me to leak this." Instead, he said he was doing reporting on Ambassador Wilson's Africa trip when a senior administration official told him the trip was inspired by his wife.
Under the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act, it is a felony for any official with access to classified information to disclose the identity of a covert American agent. Mr. Novak said he did not believe that was the situation.
He said he checked with the C.I.A., which asked him not to use Ms. Plame's name but gave him no indication that doing so would endanger her or anyone else. He also suggested that Ms. Plame might not have been, despite widespread reports to the contrary, an undercover agent whose exposure would be perilous to her and people she dealt with
"According to a confidential source at the C.I.A., Mrs. Wilson was an analyst, not a spy, not a covert operative, and not in charge of undercover operatives," Mr. Novak said.
In an interview tonight, Mr. Wilson declined to comment on his wife's job, but said the C.I.A. would not have referred the matter to the Justice Department for investigation if it did not believe national security had been breached and the law broken.
Mr. Wilson backed off somewhat from his previous statements that Mr. Rove had probably leaked the story. But, Mr. Wilson said, "at a minimum, he condoned it, and he most certainly did nothing during the six or seven days after the Novak article appeared to discourage others from talking about it."
Soon after Mr. Novak's column first appeared, Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York, pressed Mr. Ashcroft to open a criminal investigation, and the C.I.A. referred the issue in late July to the Justice Department.
As is standard, the Justice Department asked the C.I.A. to complete an 11-question report addressing issues like who had access to the classified information and what harm was caused to national security.
The C.I.A. gave the Justice Department its response several weeks ago, a government official said. Mr. Ashcroft decided during the past several days to move ahead with a preliminary inquiry, and the Justice Department notified the F.B.I. late today that the bureau would lead the investigation.
"We'll start with the C.I.A.," said an F.B.I. official. "They're the ones that held the information, so we'll go from there to find out who had access to it."
Here's the take on this latest outrage from the NY Times.
A Top Bush Aide Didn't Identify C.I.A. Agent, White House Says
By ERIC LICHTBLAU and RICHARD W. STEVENSON
Published: September 30, 2003
WASHINGTON, Sept. 29 ? The White House today dismissed as "ridiculous" the suggestion that Karl Rove, senior adviser to President Bush, had illegally disclosed the identity of an undercover C.I.A. officer, as the F.B.I. opened an investigation into the case.
At the same time, the White House rejected growing calls from Democrats for the appointment of a special outside counsel to determine whether someone in the administration had disclosed the officer's identity in an effort to punish criticism of its Iraqi intelligence by the officer's husband.
Asked if there was a need for an independent counsel, Scott McClellan, the White House spokesman, said, "At this point, I think the Department of Justice would be the appropriate one to look into a matter like this."
Pressed on whether there would be a potential conflict of interest for Attorney General John Ashcroft to oversee an investigation that could have immense political implications for Mr. Bush, Mr. McClellan said that there were "a lot of career professionals" at the Justice Department and that "they're the ones that, if something like this happened, should look into it."
The growing furor underscored the Bush administration's continued political vulnerability on the issue of whether it exaggerated the threat from Iraq before the war. The developments also raised questions about the relationship between the White House and George J. Tenet, the director of central intelligence.
It was the C.I.A.'s general counsel who asked the Justice Department to open an inquiry into the July newspaper column, by the syndicated writer Robert Novak, that identified an undercover C.I.A. agent.
The firestorm over the leak comes at a time when even some Republicans in Congress are beginning to cast a more skeptical eye on the administration's use of intelligence to make its case against Iraq. In an interim assessment made public over the weekend, the senior Republican and senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee said there were "too many uncertainties" in the intelligence underlying the National Intelligence Estimate used by the administration to justify the war.
The White House sought today to head off the calls for a special counsel as numerous Democratic lawmakers and presidential candidates said they doubted that the Justice Department could investigate without at least the appearance of a conflict of interest.
One Democratic presidential candidate, Senator Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut, said the situation was reason enough to revive the independent counsel law, which Congress allowed to die in 1999 after widespread concern over Kenneth W. Starr's Whitewater investigation.
The current regulations, put in place by former Attorney General Janet Reno, give Mr. Ashcroft discretion over whether to appoint a special counsel if the department appears to have a conflict of interest.
Mr. Ashcroft would have authority to hire and fire the special counsel, but he would also have to report to Congress if he were to block any legal action by the special counsel.
In a letter to Mr. Ashcroft, the Senate minority leader, Tom Daschle of South Dakota, and three other leading Democrats said, "We do not believe that this investigation of senior Bush administration officials, possibly including high-level White House staff, can be conducted by the Justice Department because of the obvious and inherent conflicts of interest involved."
Mr. Bush ignored a reporter's shouted question about the matter this afternoon during an appearance in the Rose Garden.
Mr. Novak's column centered on a retired diplomat, Joseph C. Wilson 4th, who concluded more than a year and a half ago in a report for the C.I.A. that there was no clear evidence that Saddam Hussein had tried to buy uranium ore from Africa in order to build nuclear weapons.
Mr. Novak disclosed in his column that although Mr. Wilson never worked for the C.I.A., his wife, Valerie Plame, "is an agency operative on weapons of mass destruction" and that "two senior administration officials" told him that she was the one who suggested sending him to Africa.
Speaking on CNN today, Mr. Novak said, "Nobody in the Bush administration called me to leak this." Instead, he said he was doing reporting on Ambassador Wilson's Africa trip when a senior administration official told him the trip was inspired by his wife.
Under the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act, it is a felony for any official with access to classified information to disclose the identity of a covert American agent. Mr. Novak said he did not believe that was the situation.
He said he checked with the C.I.A., which asked him not to use Ms. Plame's name but gave him no indication that doing so would endanger her or anyone else. He also suggested that Ms. Plame might not have been, despite widespread reports to the contrary, an undercover agent whose exposure would be perilous to her and people she dealt with
"According to a confidential source at the C.I.A., Mrs. Wilson was an analyst, not a spy, not a covert operative, and not in charge of undercover operatives," Mr. Novak said.
In an interview tonight, Mr. Wilson declined to comment on his wife's job, but said the C.I.A. would not have referred the matter to the Justice Department for investigation if it did not believe national security had been breached and the law broken.
Mr. Wilson backed off somewhat from his previous statements that Mr. Rove had probably leaked the story. But, Mr. Wilson said, "at a minimum, he condoned it, and he most certainly did nothing during the six or seven days after the Novak article appeared to discourage others from talking about it."
Soon after Mr. Novak's column first appeared, Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York, pressed Mr. Ashcroft to open a criminal investigation, and the C.I.A. referred the issue in late July to the Justice Department.
As is standard, the Justice Department asked the C.I.A. to complete an 11-question report addressing issues like who had access to the classified information and what harm was caused to national security.
The C.I.A. gave the Justice Department its response several weeks ago, a government official said. Mr. Ashcroft decided during the past several days to move ahead with a preliminary inquiry, and the Justice Department notified the F.B.I. late today that the bureau would lead the investigation.
"We'll start with the C.I.A.," said an F.B.I. official. "They're the ones that held the information, so we'll go from there to find out who had access to it."
Wow the fmr. ambassador is on cspan right now.
Joe has served this country well.
it is BS that he got sh!t on.
Even if bush did not approve of the release of the identity of his wife he has not stepped up to the plate
to get to the bottom of this. I will assume that bush will only get something going after engough people get
upset over this
Joe has served this country well.
it is BS that he got sh!t on.
Even if bush did not approve of the release of the identity of his wife he has not stepped up to the plate
to get to the bottom of this. I will assume that bush will only get something going after engough people get
upset over this
Yet another attempt by malcontents, liberals, socialists, homosexuals, and Ba'athists to soil the wonderful administration of George W. Bush . . . the man has brought honor and dignity back to the White House . . . it's a shame it only came for a visit.
One, Novak didnt get it from the whitehouse, he got it straight from the horses mouth, the CIA.
Two, and I qoute Novak "According to a confidential source at the CIA, Mrs. Wilson was an analyst, not a spy, not a covert operator, and not in charge of undercover operatives."
If she is indeed a WMD analsyt, there is no treason to be found.
If she is an anaylst, it doesnt mean there is treason involved. There could be, but there are plenty of known CIA employees, and from all sources, she appears to be a WMD anaylst, which unless someone revealed a "top secert" mission she was on there wasnt an act of treason. They didnt expose a covert op.
I'm reserving judgment. This is a damn serious charge. Hard to imagine somebody in the admin could be so dumb.
The buck never stops with Shrub. I thought we all realized this from his younger child like years ( 20-40 ) that he is not responsible for anything he does or says in life. Maybe his daddy will clean up this mess for him ?
He was being citical to the president. Therefore, he was being un-American and helping anti-American interests. He deserves to be punished. He should be glad that he isn't being charged with treason for daring to be critical of the president. 
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