Who needs a draft when you can just kidnap kids to be soldiers??

teiresias

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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/paynter/227497_paynter08.html

A single mom with a meager income, Marcia raised her kids on the farm where, until recently, she grew salad greens for restaurants.

Axel's father, a Marine Corps vet who served in Vietnam, died when Axel was 4.

Clearly the recruiters knew all that and more.

"You don't want to be a burden to your mom," they told him. "Be a man." "Make your father proud." Never mind that, because of his own experience in the service, Marcia says enlistment for his son is the last thing Axel's dad would have wanted.

The next weekend, when Marcia went to Seattle for the Folklife Festival and Axel was home alone, two recruiters showed up at the door.

Axel repeated the family mantra, but he was feeling frazzled and worn down by then. The sergeant was friendly but, at the same time, aggressively insistent. This time, when Axel said, "Not interested," the sarge turned surly, snapping, "You're making a big (bleeping) mistake!"

Next thing Axel knew, the same sergeant and another recruiter showed up at the LaConner Brewing Co., the restaurant where Axel works. And before Axel, an older cousin and other co-workers knew or understood what was happening, Axel was whisked away in a car.

"They said we were going somewhere but I didn't know we were going all the way to Seattle," Axel said.

Just a few tests. And so many free opportunities, the recruiters told him.

He could pursue his love of chemistry. He could serve anywhere he chose and leave any time he wanted on an "apathy discharge" if he didn't like it. And he wouldn't have to go to Iraq if he didn't want to.

At about 3:30 in the morning, Alex was awakened in the motel and fed a little something. Twelve hours later, without further sleep or food, he had taken a battery of tests and signed a lot of papers he hadn't gotten a chance to read. "Just formalities," he was told. "Sign here. And here. Nothing to worry about."

By then Marcia had "freaked out."

She went to the Burlington recruiting center where the door was open but no one was home. So she grabbed all the cards and numbers she could find, including the address of the Seattle-area testing center.

Then, with her grown daughter in tow, she high-tailed it south, frantically phoning Axel whose cell phone had been confiscated "so he wouldn't be distracted during tests."

Axel's grandfather was in the hospital dying, she told the people at the desk. He needed to come home right away. She would have said just about anything.

But, even after being told her son would be brought right out, her daughter spied him being taken down a separate hall and into another room. So she dashed down the hall and grabbed him by the arm.

"They were telling me I needed to 'be a man' and stand up to my family," Axel said.

What he needed, it turned out, was a lawyer.

Five minutes and $250 after an attorney called the recruiters, Axel's signed papers and his cell phone were in the mail.

My request to speak with the sergeant who recruited Axel and with the Burlington office about recruitment procedures went unanswered.

And so should your phone, Marcia Cobb advised. Take your own sweet time. Keep your own counsel. And, if you see USMC on caller ID, remember what answering the call could mean.

I don't think the attempts to prop up unjustified military action can go much further into the realm of lunacy.
 

cKGunslinger

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Alright, I'm sure I'll be labled as an apologizer, but I'll get over. These recruiters definitely acted above and beyond thier scope of duty and should be punished accorrdingly.

That said, this piece is poorly written and definitely one-sided. It's a column article, not a journalist's accurate portrayal of a news event. It is riddled with emotional arguments and desciptions.

And what about things like:

And before Axel, an older cousin and other co-workers knew or understood what was happening, Axel was whisked away in a car.

Really? So, they just grabbed the 18-year-old's arms and shoved him in a car, depsite his protests? I highly doubt it.

And what about the contest for a free X-Box? From the way the article is written, I can't even tell if this was the same reason why he went to Seattle or not. (A 3rd read suggests that these were separate incidents.)

Poor 18-year-old ADULT was so frazzled by lack of sleep and 'batteries of tests' that when faced with so many papers to sign, he signed them all without reading, assuming they were harmless? Come on. Meanwhile, his grandfather 'lay dying' in the hospital? It even hints that this was a ploy by his mother: "She would have said just about anything."

No, recruiters are showing *way* too much power today, I agree. But the answer is not pleading and emotional exaggerations like this piece. Two wrongs don't make a right.


 

Red Dawn

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Recruiters are just like Used Car Salesmen, not to be trusted. It's not their fault as they are under tremendous pressure from their superiors to reach a quota, just like Used Car Salesmen.

Of course if they were totally upfront and honest they probably wouldn't be able to achieve any where near the needed quota to sustain an All Volunteer Army with the current Administrations Foreign Policy. Most kids might be gullible but for the most part they aren't stupid. They haven't had enough real life experience to be able to tell that they are being sold a bill of goods. Sure there are a lot of Gung Ho types that would join no matter what but not enough to fulfill the quota unless they are being misled to some extent. Take all the Young Pro War types here. Sure they are all for what we are doing in Iraq but they know better than to put their money where their mouths are as they surely know that they could very easily end up on a transport plane headed home from Iraq in a Body Bag or end up in an Army Hospital in Germany missing multiple Limbs.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Recruiters are just like Used Car Salesmen, not to be trusted. It's not their fault as they are under tremendous pressure from their superiors to reach a quota, just like Used Car Salesmen.

Of course if they were totally upfront and honest they probably wouldn't be able to achieve any where near the needed quota to sustain an All Volunteer Army with the current Administrations Foreign Policy. Most kids might be gullible but for the most part they aren't stupid. They haven't had enough real life experience to be able to tell that they are being sold a bill of goods. Sure there are a lot of Gung Ho types that would join no matter what but not enough to fulfill the quota unless they are being misled to some extent. Take all the Young Pro War types here. Sure they are all for what we are doing in Iraq but they know better than to put their money where their mouths are as they surely know that they could very easily end up on a transport plane headed home from Iraq in a Body Bag or end up in an Army Hospital in Germany missing multiple Limbs.

And all for what?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Recruiters are just like Used Car Salesmen, not to be trusted. It's not their fault as they are under tremendous pressure from their superiors to reach a quota, just like Used Car Salesmen.

Of course if they were totally upfront and honest they probably wouldn't be able to achieve any where near the needed quota to sustain an All Volunteer Army with the current Administrations Foreign Policy. Most kids might be gullible but for the most part they aren't stupid. They haven't had enough real life experience to be able to tell that they are being sold a bill of goods. Sure there are a lot of Gung Ho types that would join no matter what but not enough to fulfill the quota unless they are being misled to some extent. Take all the Young Pro War types here. Sure they are all for what we are doing in Iraq but they know better than to put their money where their mouths are as they surely know that they could very easily end up on a transport plane headed home from Iraq in a Body Bag or end up in an Army Hospital in Germany missing multiple Limbs.

And all for what?
So you can troll here without worrying about Hussiens son's stealing your computer;)
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Recruiters are just like Used Car Salesmen, not to be trusted. It's not their fault as they are under tremendous pressure from their superiors to reach a quota, just like Used Car Salesmen.

Of course if they were totally upfront and honest they probably wouldn't be able to achieve any where near the needed quota to sustain an All Volunteer Army with the current Administrations Foreign Policy. Most kids might be gullible but for the most part they aren't stupid. They haven't had enough real life experience to be able to tell that they are being sold a bill of goods. Sure there are a lot of Gung Ho types that would join no matter what but not enough to fulfill the quota unless they are being misled to some extent. Take all the Young Pro War types here. Sure they are all for what we are doing in Iraq but they know better than to put their money where their mouths are as they surely know that they could very easily end up on a transport plane headed home from Iraq in a Body Bag or end up in an Army Hospital in Germany missing multiple Limbs.

And all for what?
So you can troll here without worrying about Hussiens son's stealing your computer;)

And you're doing what here?

*edit*

My sarcasm meter was stuck. Was that sarcasm RD?
 

EagleKeeper

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Story seems to show some bias and also not all the facts are there.

Someone may have jumped before testing how deep the water was; found out they they did not know how to swim and then screamed for help for a lifeguard.

They did not appreciate being embarressed when told that the water was only waist deep and they could walk out, but no-one would provide a towel.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Recruiters are just like Used Car Salesmen, not to be trusted. It's not their fault as they are under tremendous pressure from their superiors to reach a quota, just like Used Car Salesmen.

Of course if they were totally upfront and honest they probably wouldn't be able to achieve any where near the needed quota to sustain an All Volunteer Army with the current Administrations Foreign Policy. Most kids might be gullible but for the most part they aren't stupid. They haven't had enough real life experience to be able to tell that they are being sold a bill of goods. Sure there are a lot of Gung Ho types that would join no matter what but not enough to fulfill the quota unless they are being misled to some extent. Take all the Young Pro War types here. Sure they are all for what we are doing in Iraq but they know better than to put their money where their mouths are as they surely know that they could very easily end up on a transport plane headed home from Iraq in a Body Bag or end up in an Army Hospital in Germany missing multiple Limbs.

And all for what?
So you can troll here without worrying about Hussiens son's stealing your computer;)

And you're doing what here?

*edit*

My sarcasm meter was stuck. Was that sarcasm RD?
Gee I dunno, were you ever in danger of Hussien's sons stealing your computer??:roll:

Let me put it this way, it really isn't the fault of the recruiters, it's their superiors who the blame should be leveled at. These guys, like all Soldiers, are just following orders. I think it's rather unfair to blame them though if there is a sh!t storm over this incident I'm sure it will fall directly upon their shoulders.

 

irwincur

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Coming from that source, I am sure that those are the real quotes from the recruiter.

God, this military hate coming from the media is hitting Vietnam levels. Soon they will be paying low level staffers to spit at soldiers and call them baby killers - just so they can get a 'Vietnamesque' story. People that cannot see through the BS must either be retarded or frankly just fvcking stupid as hell.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: Skoorb
One sided much?

*crickets*

It was only 2 minutes between his post and yours, give us a little longer to come up with some witty repartee.

No, half a dozen posters have suggest the same thing, including myself several hours ago. All the "OMG! The army is going crazy! Think of the children!" posters got their 2 cents in and left.
 

judasmachine

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Wasn't conscription one of the main reasons we declared our independence in the first place? Recruiters are liars, and cheats. They prey on the young, and unfortunate. I have met alot of kids that have been promised stuff like free rides through med school for crying out loud. That kid ended up being a sparky on the USS Nassau.
 

maluckey

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I call BS on the whole story. I think the kid didn't have he guts to tell his overprotective mom that he had aready signed the DEP papers, and when he failed to show on the sssigned date and time, the recruiters reminded him that he already signed on the line. Cell Phones are routinely collected at MEPS and returned to the soldier after completion of boot camp.
 

nutxo

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Originally posted by: maluckey
I call BS on the whole story. I think the kid didn't have he guts to tell his overprotective mom that he had aready signed the DEP papers, and when he failed to show on the sssigned date and time, the recruiters reminded him that he already signed on the line. Cell Phones are routinely collected at MEPS and returned to the soldier after completion of boot camp.


:thumbsup:

Sounds a lot more plausible than what the rag implies.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: nutxo
Originally posted by: maluckey
I call BS on the whole story. I think the kid didn't have he guts to tell his overprotective mom that he had aready signed the DEP papers, and when he failed to show on the sssigned date and time, the recruiters reminded him that he already signed on the line. Cell Phones are routinely collected at MEPS and returned to the soldier after completion of boot camp.


:thumbsup:

Sure, anything you guys invent is more believable than the story as told by the people who were there. :roll:

No wonder Bush has such an easy time duping you people. And Irwin has the nerve to call the opposition "retarded or frankly just fvcking stupid as hell" all the while Bush is lying through his teeth, you people are eating it up like free hot dogs on the Fourth of July.
 

nutxo

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: nutxo
Originally posted by: maluckey
I call BS on the whole story. I think the kid didn't have he guts to tell his overprotective mom that he had aready signed the DEP papers, and when he failed to show on the sssigned date and time, the recruiters reminded him that he already signed on the line. Cell Phones are routinely collected at MEPS and returned to the soldier after completion of boot camp.


:thumbsup:

Sure, anything you guys invent is more believable than the story as told by the people who were there. :roll:

No wonder Bush has such an easy time duping you people. And Irwin has the nerve to call the opposition "retarded or frankly just fvcking stupid as hell" all the while Bush is lying through his teeth, you people are eating it up like free hot dogs on the Fourth of July.

Werent you banned?

You dont know crap about the seattlepi. Its a freakin rag. I live here, I read the thing.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: nutxo
Originally posted by: maluckey
I call BS on the whole story. I think the kid didn't have he guts to tell his overprotective mom that he had aready signed the DEP papers, and when he failed to show on the sssigned date and time, the recruiters reminded him that he already signed on the line. Cell Phones are routinely collected at MEPS and returned to the soldier after completion of boot camp.


:thumbsup:

Sure, anything you guys invent is more believable than the story as told by the people who were there. :roll:

No wonder Bush has such an easy time duping you people. And Irwin has the nerve to call the opposition "retarded or frankly just fvcking stupid as hell" all the while Bush is lying through his teeth, you people are eating it up like free hot dogs on the Fourth of July.

There is the whole truth and all that is fit to publish. The way the story is written seems to imply the later unless no-one involved had a lick of common sense.
 

1EZduzit

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It's definetly a slanted story, but the part about having to hire a lawyer makes you wonder. If the kid wanted out, let him out. Why did they have to hire a lawyer?

Of course that's assuming they really did hire a lawyer.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
It's definetly a slanted story, but the part about having to hire a lawyer makes you wonder. If the kid wanted out, let him out. Why did they have to hire a lawyer?

Of course that's assuming they really did hire a lawyer.

They probably asked a shyster for advice.

Shyster says: Tell USMC that the kid wants out - he made a mistake in judgement - he is a screw-up; does the USMC want such an idiot?

USMC says:- do not let the door hit you on the way out.