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Who leaked the details of a CIA-Mossad plot against Iran?

event8horizon

Senior member
Who leaked the details of a CIA-Mossad plot against Iran?
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/961337.html

The Bush administration is prolonging the hunting season against journalists. The latest victim is James Risen, The New York Times reporter for national security and intelligence affairs. About three months ago, a federal grand jury issued a subpoena against him, ordering Risen to give evidence in court. A heavy blackout has been imposed on the affair, with the only hint being that it has to do with sensitive matters of "national security."

But conversations with several sources who are familiar with the affair indicate that Risen has been asked to testify as part of an investigation aimed at revealing who leaked apparently confidential information about the planning of secret Central Intelligence Agency and Mossad missions concerning Iran's nuclear program.

Risen included this information in his book, "State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration," which was published in 2006. In the book, he discusses a number of ideas which he says were thought up jointly by CIA and Mossad operatives to sabotage Iran's nuclear capabilities.

One of these ideas was to build electromagnetic devices, smuggling them inside Iran to sabotage electricity lines leading to the country's central nuclear sites. According to the plan, the operation was supposed to cause a series of chain reactions which would damage extremely powerful short circuits in the electrical supply that would have led to failures of the super computers of Iran's nuclear sites.

According to the book, the Mossad planners proposed that they would be responsible for getting the electromagnetic facilities into Iran with the aid of their agents in Iran. However, a series of technical problems prevented the plan's execution.

Another of the book's important revelations, which made the administration's blood boil about James Risen, appeared in a chapter describing what was known as Operation Merlin, the code name for another CIA operation supposed to penetrate the heart of Iran's nuclear activity, collect information about it and eventually disrupt it.
However, Operation Merlin, which was so creative and original, failed because of CIA bungled planning. The false information inserted into the blueprints were too obvious and too easily detected and the Russian engineer discovered them. As planned, he made contact with the Iranian delegation to the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna and handed over to them, also as planned, the blueprints.

But contrary to the CIA's intention, he added a letter to the blueprints in which he pointed out the mistakes. He did not do this with ill intent or out of a desire to disrupt the operation and harm his operators. On the contrary, he did so out of a deep sense of mission and in order to satisfy his American operators. He hoped that in this way he would simply increase the Iranians' trust in him and encourage them to make contact with him for the good, of course, of his American operators.

The result was disastrous. Not only did the CIA fail to prevent the Iranians in their efforts to enhance their nuclear program, this operation may also have made it possible for them to get their hands on a plan for assembling a nuclear warhead.


this article also raises questions about freedom of the press or the lack thereof:

Freedom of the press

In Israel, military censorship would have prevented the publication of details such as these. But in the U.S., where the principle of freedom of the press is sacred and anchored in the constitution, there is no compulsory and binding censorship. There is, however, an expectation there that the press will show responsibility. This expectation has increased in recent years, particularly with the conservative Bush administration and in the wake of the events of September 11, 2001 and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

this article raises some serious questions. is there going to be some blowback with the cia and mossad accidently giving the iranians some important info on how to construct a nuclear bomb!!!!!

YGPM

Fern
AnandTech P&N Moderator
 
Originally posted by: noto12ious
interesting. surprise surprise (not). thanks for the info.

I looked to see if op merlin has been posted before. it hasnt. so if u read about it elsewhere....cool.

but yeah, your right, it is no surprise that they are targeting the iranians and their nuclear work. it just looks as though the cia and mossad gave them some valuable info by mistake. some people might find that interesting!!!

 
I find it more interesting (and sad, and pitiable) that with all the blowback from US covert operations we keep trying to screw with other nations...especially Iran. Jesus Christ, just how much worse do we plan on making it before we learn?
 
Hmmm..

1. I suppose the sales of this guys book may start looking pretty good.

2. I hope we'll find out if this stuff is true.

3. Prosecute the author (Risen)? While I don't approve of our press disclosing secrets, a little common sense goes a long way, but WTH is wrong with the CIA and all these leaks?

4. I recall Iran have some "old" blueprints for weaponization, but I do NOT recall that they were Soviet in origin. Is there one set of blueprints, or now two?

5. If true, our CIA "outsmarted" itself (I hate to use the word "smart" in conjuction with this story). Instead of having no plans, Iran now has accurate weaponization plans, courtesy of us. That's just messed up.

6. Nice to see that Mossad has agents embeded in Iran.

7. I assume this blows the cover of the Russian scientist, so his efforts in building trust with Iran were worthless (harmfull really).

Fern
 
When we start talking about the intelligence community of any country, its easy to say military intelligence is just a contradiction in terms. But what it really means is that we are talking about a community of people who have no morality
at all. Its all about who fools who in double, triple, and quadruple agents.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
When we start talking about the intelligence community of any country, its easy to say military intelligence is just a contradiction in terms. But what it really means is that we are talking about a community of people who have no morality
at all. Its all about who fools who in double, triple, and quadruple agents.

I imagine you're basing that on your extensive personal knowledge of the intelligence community and the people who are part of it? :roll:

Any large group of people is going to have a few members who just can't wait to leak sensitive information to the wrong people for a variety of reasons. I'd be willing to bet that the percentage of IC folks who divulge sensitive information is MUCH smaller than the percentage of folks in private industry, it's just that nobody notices in private industry because nobody really cares.
 
Is it just me or has Iran gotten the better of the CIA just about every time? I don't know...

But you can kind of see why Iran is trying to get a nuclear weapon. The CIA is kind of annoying.
 
1. I suppose the sales of this guys book may start looking pretty good.


Why is it this is an all too common response to those who publish info contrary to the agenda of the Bush admin?

Immediately reminds me of the general right-wing response(s) to Richard C. Clarkes first publication, but oddly enough I've yet to hear any actual, specific criticism of what he wrote about.


Sorry, but the "oh he's just writing a book" seems to be the new and imprived "OMGZ!!!Activist judges!!!!" retort.
Seems an awful lot of effort is being exercised over a no name who has it all wrong. Too bad this admin didn't have an equal amount of consideration for Brewster Jennings/ Valerie Plame. A lot of people might still be alive, and a valuable intelligence network left intact!




 
I read Risen's book... We need more books like it. Risen is a patriot - a real American who believes that government corruption needs exposure.

But, imo.. his book was fairly tame compared to some of what's revealed on the Internet. It's completely outrageous that they're trying to force him to reveal his sources..
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
When we start talking about the intelligence community of any country, its easy to say military intelligence is just a contradiction in terms. But what it really means is that we are talking about a community of people who have no morality at all. Its all about who fools who in double, triple, and quadruple agents.
mannnn, I'd be banned from the entire interweb if I said what I really wanted to say here, and what you really deserve to be told... bah...

you make me f'n sick.
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Lemon law
When we start talking about the intelligence community of any country, its easy to say military intelligence is just a contradiction in terms. But what it really means is that we are talking about a community of people who have no morality
at all. Its all about who fools who in double, triple, and quadruple agents.

I imagine you're basing that on your extensive personal knowledge of the intelligence community and the people who are part of it? :roll:

Any large group of people is going to have a few members who just can't wait to leak sensitive information to the wrong people for a variety of reasons. I'd be willing to bet that the percentage of IC folks who divulge sensitive information is MUCH smaller than the percentage of folks in private industry, it's just that nobody notices in private industry because nobody really cares.

:thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: event8horizon
The result was disastrous. Not only did the CIA fail to prevent the Iranians in their efforts to enhance their nuclear program, this operation may also have made it possible for them to get their hands on a plan for assembling a nuclear warhead.

Ah, the old "We know for a fact Iran has plans for building a nuclear warhead - because we handed them to them".

The smarter presidents have been grateful that the free press has sometimes tied their hands from some of the more foolhardy operations.

Kennedy once told a journalist friend he wished the press had exposed the Bay of Pigs operation and prevented him from making that mistake.
 
When I said when we start talking about the intelligence community of any country, I get lambasted for being anti-American.

Need I remind you it was a rather minor level government official in the Balkans running a pocket terrorist cell who ended up triggering WW1. Which is hardly an anti-American statement because the USA had nothing to do with that incident.
 
When the 9-11 attacks happened, my F?IRST thoughts were that it was a MOSSAD operation. What better way to draw the US into their war with Islam than to have an apparent attack on US soil by a bunch of Islamic terrorists?
(yes, I have a STRONG distrust of the Israeli's)

Is it true? I don't know, and even if it was true, we'll never know for sure. Those kinds of details would be well hidden and the "loose threads" such as minor players "taken care of" properly.

After Vietnam, I lost any respect for our CIA. They were behind some very heinous shit in that war. I've always suspected that they were also behind the JFK and RFK assassinations as well...but of course, there's no proof...
 
Originally posted by: kage69
1. I suppose the sales of this guys book may start looking pretty good.


Why is it this is an all too common response to those who publish info contrary to the agenda of the Bush admin?

Immediately reminds me of the general right-wing response(s) to Richard C. Clarkes first publication, but oddly enough I've yet to hear any actual, specific criticism of what he wrote about.


Sorry, but the "oh he's just writing a book" seems to be the new and imprived "OMGZ!!!Activist judges!!!!" retort.
Seems an awful lot of effort is being exercised over a no name who has it all wrong. Too bad this admin didn't have an equal amount of consideration for Brewster Jennings/ Valerie Plame. A lot of people might still be alive, and a valuable intelligence network left intact!

Your rant is 100% misplaced.

I'm just talking about the free publicity it is now receiveing

Jeesh :roll:

Fern
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
When I said when we start talking about the intelligence community of any country, I get lambasted for being anti-American.

Need I remind you it was a rather minor level government official in the Balkans running a pocket terrorist cell who ended up triggering WW1. Which is hardly an anti-American statement because the USA had nothing to do with that incident.

you were not being "anti-American," and nobody said you were... you were simply being a jerk. :roll:

with this:
But what it really means is that we are talking about a community of people [intel community] who have no morality at all.

then again, I expect it from you...
 
Your rant is 100% misplaced.


Well of course you'd think so, but I doubt it. If you don't want to be confused with those that regurgitate all too common talking-head responses, maybe you should, you know...stop doing it yourself.

Adding
I hate to use the word "smart" in conjunction with this story
doesn't really help the reader with the initial perception.
Like it or not that response is a time-tested ploy to avoid having real discourse over actual data. It's dismissive, and it's bullshit.

I guess my supposed misplacement would be easier to understand if "free publicity" didn't top your list of things to cover with this story.


But hey, be happy - at least the CIA didn't post the blueprints on their friggin website like last time. Talk about messed up!


 
Originally posted by: kage69
-snip-

:roll: Congradulations. In one day, and in one thread you've managed to create the two posts that best meet the definition of a "stawman argument". [/golf clap]

Fern
 
Originally posted by: BoomerD
When the 9-11 attacks happened, my F?IRST thoughts were that it was a MOSSAD operation. What better way to draw the US into their war with Islam than to have an apparent attack on US soil by a bunch of Islamic terrorists?
(yes, I have a STRONG distrust of the Israeli's)

Is it true? I don't know, and even if it was true, we'll never know for sure. Those kinds of details would be well hidden and the "loose threads" such as minor players "taken care of" properly.

After Vietnam, I lost any respect for our CIA. They were behind some very heinous shit in that war. I've always suspected that they were also behind the JFK and RFK assassinations as well...but of course, there's no proof...


so what kind of heinous shit are u talking of?? i do remember reading about the cia and the meyer lanskey syndicate running drugs out of vietnam.

Western Vietnam and Eastern Cambodia had some opium fields. It was widely alleged among various veterans that the Central Intelligence Agency was involved in smuggling this opium to heroin producers in the United States at considerable profit. In the book The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia, Alfred W. McCoy, a professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, provides evidence of the use of opium by agents of the U.S. Government to fund covert operations in Vietnam.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking

this shit could be happening over in afghanistan now!!!

as for the mossad and 9-11, this piece written by a lawyer, is very in depth.

http://www.antiwar.com/rep2/Me...lectCommitteesbold.pdf
 
Originally posted by: event8horizon

so what kind of heinous shit are u talking of?? i do remember reading about the cia and the meyer lanskey syndicate running drugs out of vietnam.

Western Vietnam and Eastern Cambodia had some opium fields. It was widely alleged among various veterans that the Central Intelligence Agency was involved in smuggling this opium to heroin producers in the United States at considerable profit. In the book The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia, Alfred W. McCoy, a professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, provides evidence of the use of opium by agents of the U.S. Government to fund covert operations in Vietnam.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking

this shit could be happening over in afghanistan now!!!

as for the mossad and 9-11, this piece written by a lawyer, is very in depth.

http://www.antiwar.com/rep2/Me...lectCommitteesbold.pdf


http://www.serendipity.li/cia/operation_phoenix.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P..._Phoenix_%28Vietnam%29

Do some reading...Phoenix Project wasn't just a part of Lethal Weapon...it was VERY real.
 
Congradulations. In one day, and in one thread you've managed to create the two posts that best meet the definition of a "stawman argument".


LOL, oh the irony...

How about you get a hold of basic spelling before trying to educate by example? 😀



Back to the topic, THIS Guardian article provides a lengthy excerpt and lots of good details from the book in question. Some scary stuff in there!
 
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