Originally posted by: Martin
Originally posted by: LordMaul
One thing I've always wondered...YHWH is how its been spelled everytime I see it, but it's pronounced "Yahweh" or something along those lines. How do they know that's what to put inbetween the letters? What if it was really an acronym, like "Your Hot 'n' Wild Holyman" or something? Sounds rather hubristic to assume like that.
arabic and hebrew (according to an arabic-speaking freind of mine) do not have vowels (or at least, not to the extent english does), so they have to be inferred. Kinda like if I write "grr", you know to pronounce it "gurr" and not "geerr"
Hebrew technically does have vowels available, but when written properly, there aren't any (if you ever see Hebrew and there are no dots/lines, that is the proper form, but if there are dots/lines, those are "vowels"). It's helpful when you're learning Hebrew and don't know any words.
Presence of absence? Isn't that an oxymoron?Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: JackBurton
You're right, just like there is no evidence magic fairies don't exist. If I am wrong, please correct me.
Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.
However presense of absence is absence of presense.
I had to laugh at the 14,700 killed "for complaining"
edit: sorry, but "God sends two bears to kill children for making fun of Elisha's bald head"
Yup, that's about right. God has been part of more killings and "evil" doings then Lucifer yet he is given bad name for some reason.
When a tsunami kills 100s of thousands of people it;s always the "work of god". When bad things happen it's always God's punishment. However everything that is "bad" is the work of the devil but the devil doesn't do anything to really harm you. The harm will come from god.
This is the main reason why I can not buy into Judaeo-Christian dogma.
For you extremists, give me an example in the book where Satan killed people for not following him. Now count that up with how many times God killed a non believer.
Looks like God has a serve ego problem(much like The Ori or a Go'uld)
When a tsunami kills 100s of thousands of people it;s always the "work of god". When bad things happen it's always God's punishment. However everything that is "bad" is the work of the devil but the devil doesn't do anything to really harm you. The harm will come from god.
This is the main reason why I can not buy into Judaeo-Christian dogma.
For you extremists, give me an example in the book where Satan killed people for not following him. Now count that up with how many times God killed a non believer.
Looks like God has a serve ego problem(much like The Ori or a Go'uld)
Jeff7
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That's what I'm sayin'!
In the unlikely even I go to Hell, it's party time. All the interesting people go there. And Satan's probably really tired of torturing people. I mean, it just gets boring pretty quick. You save it up for the people who really deserve it. You know, cause they say that there's codes of ethics even among prisoners - that's why the child abusers and killers get the crap beaten out of them in prison. So the real badasses are gettin' the beat-down, while everyone else just parties forever.
Oh yeah, there's no mention of there being sex in Heaven. I think Mark Twain pointed that out. So it's all got to be in Hell.
I think you guys are misattributing actions.
It's men who invoke God's name when crap happens. These men, who are weak and pathetic, use God's name to further their own ambitions. Whether that be to increase their power base, or to froth up their followers to increase evangilism, it's all the same. Satan and God are nothing but archtypes created to entrap men.
Personally, I think the Bible and all of it's writings can be attributed to the BS above, greedy men looking to expand their power. To me, God created us, gave us everything and then has left us to our devices. He doesn't control nature, nature is imperfect as is everything he created, thus it will eventually cause problems.
Who killed people in the Crusades? Not God, Men. Who kill people now? Whether they be Islamic evangilist/fanatics or Christian ones, Men. All of them are not doing God's work, they are doing their own corrupt work.
The sooner people attribute this stuff to the right people in the right way, the better off this world will be.
It's men who invoke God's name when crap happens. These men, who are weak and pathetic, use God's name to further their own ambitions. Whether that be to increase their power base, or to froth up their followers to increase evangilism, it's all the same. Satan and God are nothing but archtypes created to entrap men.
Personally, I think the Bible and all of it's writings can be attributed to the BS above, greedy men looking to expand their power. To me, God created us, gave us everything and then has left us to our devices. He doesn't control nature, nature is imperfect as is everything he created, thus it will eventually cause problems.
Who killed people in the Crusades? Not God, Men. Who kill people now? Whether they be Islamic evangilist/fanatics or Christian ones, Men. All of them are not doing God's work, they are doing their own corrupt work.
The sooner people attribute this stuff to the right people in the right way, the better off this world will be.
Reread the Old testament about the conquest of Canaan(The Promise land)
You'll find out that in order to get the land promised by god the Israelites commited genocide(It's all in the story about the fall of Jericho). God allowed this(he even encouraged it).
Also reread the story of Noah and the flood. It was god that killed everyone on earth(so says the story).
There are a lot of examples where God has stained his hand in the blood of man. Just re-read the Bible. Forget about men killing in the name of god. This is about God's personal body count vs Satan's personal body count.
Wow, then god has no scape goat now does he?
Guess that's why Satan and hell were invented for the New Testament, in order to confuse the sheep.
I guess you missed the point of my statement. The Bible is full of BS. Back then, people thought a flood was God's work, because they were ignorant and needed a way to control the masses, just like Christian fundies want to do now. They used parables in the Bible to keep people straight and narrow down a pre-defined path, supposedly ordained by God. However, as I said above, the whole thing was written BY man FOR man as a trap for men to gain more power.
Unless God tells me personally that the Bible is *HIS* word, without a doubt, then I will take it as nothing more than a mind trap for people to weak to realize that they don't need a book or a church to believe in God, they just need to believe in themselves and their fellow man.
EarthwormJim
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The misinformation, lack of knowledge and willingness to assume and "go with the flow", that both of you have just displayed in your posts definately reinforces the assertion that many anti-Christian people here on ATOT blindly follow assumption after assumption. Seriously, how can you try to logically attack or discredit something if you ahve never read it or studied it to a substantial degree? How can you follow so blindly follow and believe certain things without knowing what you're talking about at least to SOME minimum degree?
Seomthing tells me that if God actually came to you and told you ANYTHING, you would dismiss it as a figment of your imagination. If you study the bible, its background, history, culture and other aspects of it - you would realize that (even if you don't want to believe its claims) that there's much evidence that indicates a presence of the divine - or at least something beyond human existence.
And do you really think people believing in themselves or their fellow man is the thing to do? Look how messed up this world is. Just count the number of threads on ATOT that deal with how depraved man can actually be and then tell me that we should believe in mankind as a whole. Mankind is definately NOT the answer we are looking for. It falls ridiculously short.
I find it amusing thatp eople say they see evidence that indicates a presence of the divine. Where? is there some type of manifestation in the Bible itself that shows me that God exists? Or is it more parables created by humans to engage others in some type of worship to a God they know little to nothign about? Then we get the "them or us" attitude, yeah, God would really want us to divide and conquer everybody in his name while shaking our fingers saying "If you don't believe us, you are going to hell". Me thinks not.
Do you think Christians are doing anything better in the name of God? We have a Christianofascist leading the charge to evangilize Christianity and more or less stamp out other religions, all in the name of God. We have other idiots saying Bush was sent to them by God, which leads him to the type of attitude he has.
ALL religions fall short, far shorter than the average man. You can say that depraved people exist in humanity, but they exist in all religions to. They are the fundamentalist whackos, the ones who use the threat of "believe us or go to hell", they manipulate, scheme, and subjugate all who will listen. They are far more evil than a rapist or a murderer, because, if it were up to them, they'd kill anybody who didn't believe and subjugate all they could. All in the name of God.
I strongly believe in God, but not the one that the Bible dictates I believe in. I refuse to believe a benevolent and loving God would choose one sect, one cult, one group of people to be *THE* one group and then condemn the vast majority of his creation to hell.
Only man would do that.
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