judasmachine
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I'm not arguing one way or the other. I'm simply asking you to back up your asertion. Just let me know if you're unable to do that. A simple no will do if you can't.
Kirby
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Isaiah 13: 5-11 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the Lord, and the weapons of his wrath to destroy all the land. Howl for the day of YHWH is at hand. It shall come as destruction from the almighty...Behold the day of the Lord comes, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it...And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogance of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
The siege of Jerusalem by Sennacherib and his subsequent murder by his own son have been confirmed through archaeology, as have many other events recorded in the bible involving Assyrian, Babylonian, and Persian leaders. The Hittite civilization was described in the bible long before the modern discovery of their existence. Jericho was a real city where the walls were found to have fallen outward. Archaeology continues to confirm the existence of ancient cities, places, and leaders that were named in the bible.
The timing and scale of biblical events is what is generally contested rather than that they actually happened(obviously excluding specific acts of God, such as creation). The conquest of Jericho by the Jews could have happened 100 years after the walls fell, when it was only a small village. The great flood could have just covered part of the Middle East. Still, the bible shouldn't be ignored historically. Many of the respected ancient historians spoke at times of divine intervention and included exaggerated statistics, yet they are still respected for their general accuracy while the bible is often dismissed as entirely fiction. I think the bible is a great tool as a source of wisdom and as a rich historical record that should not be overlooked simply because it is used as a religious text.
LordMaul
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One thing I've always wondered...YHWH is how its been spelled everytime I see it, but it's pronounced "Yahweh" or something along those lines. How do they know that's what to put inbetween the letters? What if it was really an acronym, like "Your Hot 'n' Wild Holyman" or something? Sounds rather hubristic to assume like that. 
By giving angels and humans freewill, God allowed that some might choose another path besides His. The devil introduced Sin into the world, and "the wages of sin is death". So it is quite obvious satan killed billions of more people, due to the introduction of sin, causing the fall of a perfect creation.
Originally posted by: LordMaul
One thing I've always wondered...YHWH is how its been spelled everytime I see it, but it's pronounced "Yahweh" or something along those lines. How do they know that's what to put inbetween the letters? What if it was really an acronym, like "Your Hot 'n' Wild Holyman" or something? Sounds rather hubristic to assume like that.
arabic and hebrew (according to an arabic-speaking freind of mine) do not have vowels (or at least, not to the extent english does), so they have to be inferred. Kinda like if I write "grr", you know to pronounce it "gurr" and not "geerr"
LordMaul
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Originally posted by: Martin
Originally posted by: LordMaul
One thing I've always wondered...YHWH is how its been spelled everytime I see it, but it's pronounced "Yahweh" or something along those lines. How do they know that's what to put inbetween the letters? What if it was really an acronym, like "Your Hot 'n' Wild Holyman" or something? Sounds rather hubristic to assume like that.
arabic and hebrew (according to an arabic-speaking freind of mine) do not have vowels (or at least, not to the extent english does), so they have to be inferred. Kinda like if I write "grr", you know to pronounce it "gurr" and not "geerr"
That is a horrible analogy, you twit. "Grr" sounds to me like a nonstandard onomatopoeic word, imitating an actual growl. Therefore, the sound is already essentially known, as it is a known sound, not something you have to infer. Still, if you have no idea how something is supposed to sound, how can you "infer" that "YHWH" is "yahweh"?
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Go play hockey and leave the thinking to us well-educated upper-middle-class suburban Americans, eh?
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)Originally posted by: LordMaul
Originally posted by: Martin
Originally posted by: LordMaul
One thing I've always wondered...YHWH is how its been spelled everytime I see it, but it's pronounced "Yahweh" or something along those lines. How do they know that's what to put inbetween the letters? What if it was really an acronym, like "Your Hot 'n' Wild Holyman" or something? Sounds rather hubristic to assume like that.
arabic and hebrew (according to an arabic-speaking freind of mine) do not have vowels (or at least, not to the extent english does), so they have to be inferred. Kinda like if I write "grr", you know to pronounce it "gurr" and not "geerr"
That is a horrible analogy, you twit. "Grr" sounds to me like a nonstandard onomatopoeic word, imitating an actual growl. Therefore, the sound is already essentially known, as it is a known sound, not something you have to infer. Still, if you have no idea how something is supposed to sound, how can you "infer" that "YHWH" is "yahweh"?
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Go play hockey and leave the thinking to us well-educated upper-middle-class suburban Americans, eh?
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well, writing itself is little more than putting already known sounds in writing. But if the analogy was bad, it was only because I was aware of the need to oversimplify for my LordMaul-ish readership.
Had you been more worldly and more learned, I would have said it was more akin to the differences between Serbian and Bulgarian, whereby the pronounciation of words like "????????? ??????" has to be inferred, even though it could be more rationally written as "????????? ???????".
Now stop worrying about things and let the adults talk. You go to bed and get your (much needed) beauty sleep.
cKGunslinger
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Number's all wrong... way more than 2mill, bible doesn't give us numbers for the deaths caused by the plagues of egypt, noah's flood, etc...
Aye, I think so anyway... it was the only time satan was allowed to take a life, satan's not allowed to kill anyone.
Miramonti
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I AM BRILLIANT IN MY OWN MIND.
THEREFORE, BECAUSE FAMILY GUY SAID SO, I BELIEVE THE BIBLE TO BE FALSE.
I AM ALSO NOT A SLAVE TO THIS WORLD.
THEREFORE, BECAUSE FAMILY GUY SAID SO, I BELIEVE THE BIBLE TO BE FALSE.
I AM ALSO NOT A SLAVE TO THIS WORLD.
cKGunslinger
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You're right, just like there is no evidence magic fairies don't exist. If I am wrong, please correct me.
Originally posted by: JackBurton
You're right, just like there is no evidence magic fairies don't exist. If I am wrong, please correct me.
Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.
Miramonti
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Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: JackBurton
You're right, just like there is no evidence magic fairies don't exist. If I am wrong, please correct me.
Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.
However presense of absence is absence of presense.
HEY! Who said you could bring logical thought into this thread???!!! Conform to the ATOT way and demand that the Bible be fiction! No I haven't read it or studied it. What do you think this is? A logical discussion????!!!
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