Who is Your Favorite Recent U.S. President?

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Who is Your Favorite Current U.S. President?

  • Ronald Reagan

  • George H.W. Bush

  • Bill Clinton

  • George W. Bush

  • Barack Obama

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shortylickens

shortylickens

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PrinceofWands said:
Actually Teddy was the first push for national health care, not Nixon. Then Truman, then Johnson. Nixon was fourth.
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BS!
Teddy would take bullets and tell cavalry to quit whining.
Johnson wouldnt take proper care of veterans so I think he must have wanted health care for everyone but them.
 
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PrinceofWands

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May 16, 2000
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bamacre

bamacre

Lifer
Jul 1, 2004
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What a horrible list. Those who are picking clinton must be forgetting his bubble economy which burst right before he left office, and more importantly, instead of fighting the neocons, he embraced them, and the sanctions on Iraq which killed many, many Iraqi's, was one of the 3 reasons bin Laden gave for the 9/11 attacks.
 
Engineer

Engineer

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bamacre said:
What a horrible list. Those who are picking clinton must be forgetting his bubble economy which burst right before he left office, and more importantly, instead of fighting the neocons, he embraced them, and the sanctions on Iraq which killed many, many Iraqi's, was one of the 3 reasons bin Laden gave for the 9/11 attacks.
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Who on that list is better?
 
shortylickens

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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bamacre said:
What a horrible list. Those who are picking clinton must be forgetting his bubble economy which burst right before he left office, and more importantly, instead of fighting the neocons, he embraced them, and the sanctions on Iraq which killed many, many Iraqi's, was one of the 3 reasons bin Laden gave for the 9/11 attacks.
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As a rule you cant blame the current president for the current economy. You need to wait about 10 years AFTER he leaves office to know for certain what effect he had on the economy. In other words so long that most people forget about him.
And even after the bubble burst the economy was much better than it had been before. He came in on a recession and if you dont wanna credit him with turning it around, then Bush's actions would be to praise (Bush Sr.).
And you can blame Bin Laden for the attacks and no one else. If he blamed ANY American for what he did then his motive was for us to hate on each other, which we did, which shows what we're made of. Knowing what I do about the middle east now, pretty much any acts we take will piss off a bunch of people and make them wanna bomb us. Those folks dont get along with each other, why the fuck would they love us?
 
bamacre

bamacre

Lifer
Jul 1, 2004
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shortylickens said:
As a rule you cant blame the current president for the current economy. You need to wait about 10 years AFTER he leaves office to know for certain what effect he had on the economy. In other words so long that most people forget about him.
And even after the bubble burst the economy was much better than it had been before. He came in on a recession and if you dont wanna credit him with turning it around, then Bush's actions would be to praise (Bush Sr.).
And you can blame Bin Laden for the attacks and no one else. If he blamed ANY American for what he did then his motive was for us to hate on each other, which we did, which shows what we're made of. Knowing what I do about the middle east now, pretty much any acts we take will piss off a bunch of people and make them wanna bomb us. Those folks dont get along with each other, why the fuck would they love us?
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You're correct, it wasn't Clinton's fault. It was Keynes. :)

As for your perception of our foreign policies, and their effects, I just don't have the desire to put in the time necessary to show you how wrong your perception is.
 
Red Dawn

Red Dawn

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shortylickens said:
For reference:

Nixon opened up China (after he campaigned long and hard to go to war with them), ended Vietnam, started the EPA and signed several environmental bills into law. He was also the first president to suggest Americans needed serious health care.

EDIT:
Also, I see loki got in before me and he was right about all that.
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And froze American's wages.
 
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Craig234

Lifer
May 1, 2006
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Clinton and Obama are similar in how good of Presidents they are, both very flawed with some good policies.

Reagan and W compete for the bottom spot, Reagan ahead on long-term bad direction, W ahead on utter selling out.

Carter was a lot better than people think on policy. He passed more of his legislative program than any Presiden since. He fell short on leading.

If Carter had the right-wing publicity machine behind him, we'd all hear how he defeated the USSR by drawing the Soviets into Afghanistan, fixed he broken economy by appointing Paul Volcker, kept us out of war, was the last President with fiscal responsibility before Reagan blew up the debt, was ahead of his time on our energy policy, of course the Camp David peace accords, and more.
 
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