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Charles Kozierok

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This is an exact repeat of what happened after Palin was picked. And it's going to end up mattering just as much.

It's funny that the Republicans spent most of 2008 deriding Obama as a "celebrity", and most of the last four years trying to groom one of their own. In the end, though, getting the "base" excited is not what wins elections.

Especially this one.

PS If Romney loses Florida over this pick -- and it's entirely possible -- people will look back on it as the biggest VP pick flub in history (yes, even worse than the moron from Alaska).
 
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PJABBER

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Physician, heal thyself. There were already at least four active Ryan threads when you started this advertisement, and all you've ever done here is "basically say the same thing over and over again". :)
I am not a physician, but maybe I can cure you of that which ails you. It may take a while, and the medicine won't taste good, but a good dose of truth may eventually purge you. I'll admit, the prognosis is not promising, but one can always Hope for Change.

Are you, with this post, referring to techs' growing collection of Ryan attack threads, venting his personal anger and livid hatred, with his ilk regurgitating Democrat Party talking points and shouting down all who might disagree?

I only have one solitary, helpless and inoffensive thread here and I only meant to offer some insight from the perspective of a supporter, not another Democrat demagogue.

I know, tolerance is not a strong suit for Democrat "progressives." You must be gnashing your tiny little teeth to see such stories and headlines, when all that you choose to read says different.

:awe:
 

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I am not a physician, but maybe I can cure you of that which ails you. It may take a while, and the medicine won't taste good, but a good dose of truth may eventually purge you. I'll admit, the prognosis is not promising, but one can always Hope for Change.

Are you, with this post, referring to techs' growing collection of Ryan attack threads, venting his personal anger and livid hatred, with his ilk regurgitating Democrat Party talking points and shouting down all who might disagree?

I only have one solitary, helpless and inoffensive thread here and I only meant to offer some insight from the perspective of a supporter, not another Democrat demagogue.

I know, tolerance is not a strong suit for Democrat "progressives." You must be gnashing your tiny little teeth to see such stories and headlines, when all that you choose to read says different.

:awe:
Stuff it, shill-boy. I also called out Techs for creating multiple, redundant threads. The two of you are much alike in that way, though fortunately Techs lacks your incessant narcissistic, pompous posing affectation.
 

PJABBER

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Stuff it, shill-boy. I also called out Techs for creating multiple, redundant threads. The two of you are much alike in that way, though fortunately Techs lacks your incessant narcissistic, pompous posing affectation.
Temper, temper, temper.

Do a search. All of my threads, all the way back to my first one, are on rather unique topics. Though it does seem like I have to repeat myself a time or two. For the lazy and the ignorant, don't you know.

In any case, why pick on me? I haven't posted in this forum for about a year and a half.

Hugs? ():)
 

Bowfinger

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Temper, temper, temper.
Don't flatter yourself. Getting angry with you would be as irrational as getting angry at a pair of pliers.


Do a search. All of my threads, all the way back to my first one, are on rather unique topics. Though it does seem like I have to repeat myself a time or two. For the lazy and the ignorant, don't you know.
I'm quite familiar with your threads. They are invariably some GOP puff piece, readily summed up as "Republicans great, Democrats evil." The only variety in your threads is your opening blog entry.


In any case, why pick on me? I haven't posted in this forum for about a year and a half.

Hugs? ():)
Point of fact, I did leave you alone when you first posted this thread Saturday (IIRC). It was tonight's, "do you REALLY need so many threads to basically say the same thing over and over again - just do one thread and repeat yourself, oh, say, 1,000 times, or until you are blue in the face" that struck me as hilariously hypocritical. My only real question is whether you were sincere in your lack of self awareness, or did you intend to mock yourself?

You have a fine evening. Unlike some, I don't get paid to post here. I have an actual job I have to get to in the morning.
 

Charles Kozierok

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We'll see if you still feel that way after Ryan destroys Biden in their debate.
If you think the VP debate is going to be a pivotal event in this election, then you're really kind of proving my point about people getting way too excited about Ryan and the impact he'll have overall.

Also, be careful about setting the bar too high for your candidate. The more that Ryan fans expect him to "destroy" Biden in the debate, the less likely people are to perceive that to have happened after the debate occurs. Cf: Gore v. Bush.
 
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PJABBER

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You have a fine evening. Unlike some, I don't get paid to post here. I have an actual job I have to get to in the morning.
Me, too. I work for myself and I find my boss to be a real PITA.

If anyone out there is paying for people to post, I would like to apply. I will work by the hour or by the post. Diligently. You know I will.

I hope there are company health benefits, so that I do not get taxed more by Obama. :$
 

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If you think the VP debate is going to be a pivotal event in this election, then you're really kind of proving my point about people getting way too excited about Ryan and the impact he'll have overall.

Also, be careful about setting the bar too high for your candidate. The more that Ryan fans expect him to "destroy" Biden in the debate, the less likely people are to perceive that to have happened after the debate occurs. Cf: Gore v. Bush.
The format of the political debates I saw in the last election cycle was kind of screwy. Get a flaming liberal as the moderator to pose questions from the DNC playbook, don't allow cross examination, don't allow audience questions for the most part, boooooring.

Ryan is like an intellectual Chris Christie. He doesn't back down.

He is so polite and pleasant when his attackers are foaming at the mouth, that he IS the adult in the room each and every time. Those who are not rabid partisans see this contrast and are invariably impressed.

Ryan is probably the most interesting and effective policy wonk I have listened to in a long time. He still has a youthful enthusiasm but he is so knowledgeable that if he gets a word in edgewise he gets his audience to understand the most abstruse concept and detail.

Romney deeply respects Ryan's intellectual rigor.

I expect Romney picked Ryan to be Mr. Inside, someone that is a master of the federal budget and legislative process, whereas Romney is Mr. Outside, the man that can represent the vision and ideas that are so desperately needed now.

I have seen comments about how Romney has bought Ryan's vision 100%. This will never be true. Though I believe they align about 90%, Romney has his own ideas and priorities and he is at the top of the ticket. Having said that, I am expecting that Ryan will be as important in the Romney administration as Cheney was in Bush's, he will not be the lapdog that Biden is.

The debate that I am looking forward to will be in the speeches and the policy arguments that will be made.

Of course, the failures of the Obama administration mean that they must rely on personal attacks but is that ALL they have? DEMOCRATS have unanimously shot down EVERY Obama budget, the Senate Democrats have refused to propose OR pass a national budget in what, three years now? Will they even have the balls to make a case that they will?
 

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As the lamestream media (hehehe, love these oh so descriptive tags,) is colluding with the Obama campaign team in their attacks against Paul Ryan, it looks like there are going to be some well funded efforts to keep the record straight.



NEW SUPERPAC LAUNCHED TO DEFEND PAUL RYAN AGAINST LEFTIST DISTORTIONS

by KEN KLUKOWSKI 13 Aug 2012

Liberal attack dogs are going into overdrive trying to distort Congressman Paul Ryan’s record. They want to paint him as a wild-eyed fanatic and make Ryan terrifying to swing voters, just like they did to Governor Sarah Palin.

“Not this time,” promises former Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell, chairman of a new SuperPAC, appropriately named Defend Paul Ryan. Blackwell and other champions of fiscal discipline and entitlement reform have launched a campaign to get out the truth about Paul Ryan and aggressively refute any smear-attacks from President Obama’s supporters.

This conservative truth squad will likely focus on two central truths about Paul Ryan.

The first is that Ryan is a next-generation leader of supply-side economics, firmly understanding that liberating free-market forces and increasing the amount of money in the economy that private individuals and organizations can invest and direct maximizes growth and prosperity. He is the next generation of the fiscal philosophy of Ronald Reagan, Jack Kemp, and Steve Forbes—all of whom Ken Blackwell worked with, explaining why he’s chairing the effort to highlight Ryan’s credentials in this arena.

The second is that Ryan is a constitutional conservative—who understands that the three legs of the Reagan coalition—economic, social, and national security conservatives, are interdependent, not rivals. Social issues are economic issues, as the data is overwhelming that intact families are engines of economic growth, prudent investment, and wealth creation, while fractured families too often result to government dependency and economic waste. Children raised in supportive households with a father and mother are more likely to graduate high school and college, and have a productive career and successful marriage. Ryan understands this reality, having worked hard to help his own family after his father died when Ryan was sixteen years old.

“Paul Ryan is a great fusion candidate for the three legs of the Reagan coalition,” Blackwell explains. (Full disclosure: I have coauthored two books with Ken Blackwell.) “You can’t balance the budget or reform entitlements if you have too many families dependent on government support. And you can’t have the best military and security apparatus in the world unless you have a vibrant economy to fully fund current needs while also investing in future needs. He gets it, and he’s able to explain it to the average citizen with clarity and eloquence.”

Blackwell, who serves with both the economic-conservative Club for Growth and the social-conservative Family Research Council, continues, “This is the heart of American exceptionalism. It’s what this president doesn’t get. This nation is facing a long-term fiscal tsunami that will devastate America’s families unless we reapply these founding principles that have made us the strongest, richest, greatest nation on earth. With Paul Ryan, the campaign can make that case to the American people.”

Defend Paul Ryan understands that entrenched interests will pull out all the stops, because they’ll be trying to kill the message even more than the messenger. The SuperPAC’s plan is to harness the energy and resources of everyone who for years have identified with fiscal-conservative giants like Jack Kemp and Steve Forbes to lay the facts before the American people.
So it’s on. Governor Mitt Romney made a very bold choice by going with Paul Ryan, and now those who understand the legacy that Ryan represents are fiercely determined to make sure the American people understand what this VP nominee is all about.
 

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As the lamestream media (hehehe, love these oh so descriptive tags,) is colluding with the Obama campaign team in their attacks against Paul Ryan, it looks like there are going to be some well funded efforts to keep the record straight.

Blackwell was the architect of the theft of votes for GWB during the the 2004 presidential election so this should be good.

http://www.opednews.com/fitrakis_102904_12_ways.htm
 

PJABBER

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So you're saying that pjabber is the exact opposite of craig234?
Unlike so many here, I do not get my information from, nor do I coordinate my posts through Journolist, the DNC, the Obama campaign, the unions, the Democrat Super PACs or the CPUSA.

And I do not believe Craig does either.

Craig is a generally respectful and stubbornly independent thinker with whom I disagree near 100% of the time, but whose thoughts and comments I value very much. C'est la vie.

Being a classical liberal, or what is sometimes referred to in the US as a market liberal, I am mighty pleased that both Romney and Ryan are going to be the Republican candidates.

I am going to register as a Republican to cast my vote in the Democratic Socialist State of Maryland just to let anyone who cares know there ARE some non-Democrats in the state. But I have not, and do not intend to get my speaking points from the RNC or likely even the Romney/Ryan campaign.

As before, I support particular candidates and policies and not political parties. For what it is worth, I do like the Tea Party and the Modern Whig Party stands best of all.

Enough about me, and Craig, let's roll!!! :awe:
 

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Unlike so many here, I do not get my information from, nor do I coordinate my posts through Journolist, the DNC, the Obama campaign, the unions, the Democrat Super PACs or the CPUSA.

And I do not believe Craig does either.

Craig is a generally respectful and stubbornly independent thinker with whom I disagree near 100% of the time, but whose thoughts and comments I value very much. C'est la vie.

Being a classical liberal, or what is sometimes referred to in the US as a market liberal, I am mighty pleased that both Romney and Ryan are going to be the Republican candidates.

I am going to register as a Republican to cast my vote in the Democratic Socialist State of Maryland just to let anyone who cares know there ARE some non-Democrats in the state. But I have not, and do not intend to get my speaking points from the RNC or likely even the Romney/Ryan campaign.

As before, I support particular candidates and policies and not political parties. For what it is worth, I do like the Tea Party and the Modern Whig Party stands best of all.

Enough about me, and Craig, let's roll!!! :awe:
If only I could trust the GOP to not try to legislate in a far-right direction on social/cultural issues. They've given me no reason at all to assume that they won't abuse their power if they're voted into the Oval Office and given a majority in the senate.

Given that I have nothing in common with the Democrats on fiscal matters, and cannot trust the GOP on social/cultural issues... looks like I'm voting third-party again.
 
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PJABBER

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If only I could trust the GOP to not try to legislate in a far-right direction on social/cultural issues. They've given me no reason at all to assume that they won't abuse their power if they're voted into the Oval Office and given a majority in the senate.
I am focused on financial, tax, regulatory, foreign policy and defense issues as I believe they are the places where the current government is going the wrong way. And I expect these are in the top 10 for Romney/Ryan.

Both candidates are, however, strong family values advocates and have elsewhere argued that the foundation of a strong nation rests in culture and the building block of that is a strong nuclear family.

Does this perspective trump the five issues I note above? I don't think so as the policy proposals and legislative initiatives that each has out there don't reflect any substantive agenda for social mores tinkering. The perspective is more likely the motivation behind the complex yet practical approach they are shooting for.

There are lots of hot buttons for American liberals like abortion and gay rights, but despite what Romney and Ryan feel individually these are not shown as being in any way a legislative or regulatory priority. They are not activists in those arenas.

Based on everything I am reading and listening to, they really do believe that if the economy is fixed, many social issues will be as well.
 

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It did not take long for David Brock of the far left Media Matters to publish his opposition research on Paul Ryan.

It is important to note that virtually ALL of the propagandist news media in the United States relies on the far left Media Matters to offer the talking points and politically correct perspectives that they will then follow in lockstep. Expect to start seeing verbatim references to the points that Media Matters is instructing them to take. Journolist was taken down but Soros-funded Media Matters then took on the mantle of coordinating whole cloth propaganda campaigns.

Like most of the left wing posters here, David relies on other lefty sources to make a case against Paul Ryan. Why anyone would consider HuffandPuff Post a definitive source is beyond me.

I haven't had a chance to read the entire doc, but after seeing a number of these put out to the public, it is somewhat remarkable that this one is basically a cryfest over the substantive policies and positions Ryan takes, without any examination of why he takes them, much less providing rational countering arguments.

Sadly, this document is full of old news, doesn't bother to differentiate how Ryan's positions have evolved, doesn't identify current positions vs no longer valid ones, cherry picks the references that are the most critical without including any context, etc. etc. It is of very limited use in understanding who Paul Ryan is now and why he represents the best of modern conservative fiscal thought.

I guess if you asked like-minded friends, they would agree with a one sided perspective.

If you prefer to cherry pick hit-pieces in lieu of gaining an understanding of who Paul Ryan is, Brock has you covered.

If you would like to know how the left wing Journolistas and the Democrat Party want to paint him, this is your bible.

The covering article from Breitbart offers yet another cogent summary of how collusive the national press and the Obama administration and the DNC are. Journolost may have closed down but it seems like the network of far left propagandists continues unabated.

DAVID BROCK'S SUPER PAC RELEASES OPPOSITION RESEARCH BOOK ON PAUL RYAN

David Brock, head of the progressive, left-wing media "watchdog" group Media Matters, has released an opposition research book on Vice Presidential candidate Paul Ryan through Brock's super PAC American Bridge 21st Century.

Brock's American Bridge super PAC is also tied to Bill Burton's super PAC, Priorities USA. As you may recall, Priorities USA recently ran an ad accusing Mitt Romney of killing Joe Soptic's wife, a claim also tied directly to the Obama campaign. Due to initial lackluster fundraising by both Brock's and Burton's super PACs, they combined to form American Priorities Joint Fundraising Committee. Obama's super PACs have no problem getting into the campaign mud.

Be on alert when Brock's "research" hits the mainstream media on TV, internet, and print journalism. The Daily Caller revealed back in February a list of media figures eager to get Brock's message out to the public under the guise of "news."

MSNBC: “If we published something about Fox in the morning, they’d have it on the air that night verbatim.”

Washington Post: "Greg Sargent [of the Washington Post] will write anything you give him. He was the go-to guy to leak stuff." "We’ve pushed stories to Eugene Robinson and E.J. Dionne [at the Washington Post]." "they knew they could dump it at Plum Line [Greg Sargent’s Washington Post blog], so that’s where they sent it.”

Huffington Post: "The HuffPo guys were good, Sam Stein and Nico [Pitney],” remembered one former staffer. “The people at Huffington Post were always eager to cooperate..."

LA Times: "Jim Rainey at the LA Times took a lot of our stuff"

San Francisco Chronicle: "So did Joe Garofoli at the San Francisco Chronicle."

The New York Times: "Brian Stelter at the New York Times was helpful."

Politico/Buzzfeed: “Ben Smith [formerly of Politico, now at BuzzFeed.com] will take stories and write what you want him to write,” explained the former employee, whose account was confirmed by other sources."

Below is the copy of Brock's marching orders to the media about Paul Ryan.

American Bridge Paul Ryan Research Book
 

PJABBER

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You do realize that you posted this in a thread based on an article from the Weekly Standard? :)
The Weekly Standard was one of only a few thoughtful publications that laid out the intellectual and policy case for choosing Paul Ryan as VP, and they did so as early as a year ago.

Politico has a piece on this here, well worth reading though they still try to slant what could be a straight up story -

GOP again turns to Bill Kristol ball

... (Bill) Kristol, who talks frequently with those around Romney, has once again proven himself a much more proactive political player than his fellow conservative commentators.

“Bill is different than a George Will, who writes about what it means to be conservative, or a Charles Krauthammer, who lays out the coherent conservative criticism of the Obama administration,” Goldfarb said. “Bill writes about what ought to be done and then he follows it up with meetings and phone calls. … He really tries to make things happen.”

Fittingly, Kristol and his colleague Stephen Hayes were the first to report Friday night that Romney would likely name Ryan, cementing Kristol’s connection to Ryan’s candidacy. They earned the right after a long editorial in this month’s Standard urging Romney to select either Ryan or Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, and another editorial Thursday in which the two authors laid out for Romney what they described as the “awfully strong case for picking Paul Ryan as your running mate.”
Decisions are not made in a vacuum. Most lefties, including Journolistas, don't bother to read anything on any of the conservative or libertarian sources. That is why they are always so surprised.

HuffandPuff is a blog site that also offers "selective" news announcements. It is particularly lacking a balanced perspective and seldom has "insider" info. A few non-progressive voices do pop up there, especially in the comments. Which just shows that conservatives and libertarians are more likely to be aware of what the left is talking about than the left is of them.

:colbert:
 
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The Weekly Standard was one of only a few thoughtful publications that laid out the intellectual and policy case for choosing Paul Ryan as VP
So they tell you what you want to hear. How about Breitbart, the biggest liar on the web? You quote them a lot too. Are they also a thoughtful publication?
 

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He rubs up against people awkwardly while riding trains.


#notintendedtobeafactualstatement
 

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So they tell you what you want to hear. How about Breitbart, the biggest liar on the web? You quote them a lot too. Are they also a thoughtful publication?
I have come to like Breitbart for breaking news that is covered less well elsewhere or not at all.

For example, I just posted a Breitbart link to the Media Matters release of their opposition research package on Paul Ryan. How many left wing sites will post anything from the conservative press verbatim like Breitbart did?

I started this thread to try to get as much factual info out as possible on this candidate and his positions, rather than indulge in the name calling that can be found elsewhere here. Substance over rhetoric, so to speak.

Even oppo research and spin offers some insight, though the Ryan package is so dated and incomplete that I am almost feeling sorry that Media Matters produced such a slovenly product. I am not saying this is atypical of them, just that one would hope for an accurate rendition in oppo research of what an opponent is all about rather than what you wish they were all about.

Accuracy may sometimes be traded for speed, but Breitbart stories have seldom required correction even if they might expand the story as additional information becomes available. And their WWW sites update almost as fast as Drudge.

The good thing about Breitbart is they are accurate and fast in getting out stories that have legs. Not all do, of course, because there is active suppression elsewhere of non-complimentary stories about Obama and pals.

But, like Drudge, Breitbart has become a go-to source and thus can often break through the news blackouts that the liberal press and pols would dearly love to impose.

New media, gotta love it!
 

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