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Who is McCain & the RNC going to use as this year's "scary black man" (Willie Horton)?

mshan

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I suspect that pollsters and the RNC have told McCain that the only way he has a chance against Obama is to go (very) negative.

I wonder who this year's "scary black man" (Willie Horton) is going to be?

BHO

 

nageov3t

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I think you're getting your analogies mixed up.

but I don't see either Obama or McCain running a positive campaign.
 

mshan

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Watch the complete linked video (I think it runs about 10 minutes; the Willie Horton ad is about half-way through the whole video clip), then decide for yourself.

Seems like deja vu to me.

 

CADsortaGUY

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Willie horton wasn't about a "scary black man", it was about Dokickmyass' weakness on crime. But I suppose race was really the wink wink issue instead of a murderous rapist.... :roll:
 

Jhhnn

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Are you dense, mshan? It's a done deal- it's the Rev Jeremiah Wright.

Sheesh.
 

mshan

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"Willie Horton wasn't about a "scary black man", it was about Dokickmyass' weakness on crime. But I suppose race was really the wink wink issue instead of a murderous rapist.... " ;)

Just gotta wonder whether it would have had the same traction if he had not been a black man?

 

Jhhnn

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Try this article, which explains my POV- and puts the lie to CSG's apologisms-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...tter&wpisrc=newsletter

"Talking up the controversy, moreover, gives Obama's opponents a potent weapon: They can hook into voters' hidden fears and racial attitudes without ever saying a word about the radioactive subject of race."

Duh!
 

mshan

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Thank you for the link!

IMO, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright will only be effectively portrayed as the "angry black man," and even then, once voters are more familiar with McCain and Obama (i.e. they have debated several times), I think only blind partisan warriors or feeble minded voters would be susceptible to such pathetically obvious manipulation.

 

fskimospy

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Of course the Willie Horton ad was racial. That isn't even a question. Insofar as if McCain will have to go negative or not, the answer is probably yes. His positions are less popular then Obama's pretty much across the board, and their strategy is to make this into a personality/character campaign. If you're at a political disadvantage, you go negative. That's just how campaigns work. (at least ones that want to stand a chance of winning)

If you ever hear the words 'campaign on character', that's a political code word for 'smear your opponent into the ground'. I personally have no problem with negative campaigning so long as they are anywhere approaching honest. (Swift Boat Veterans need not apply) That's just part of the game. We should just be honest with ourselves as to what it means.

 

Jhhnn

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Yeh, I'm afraid you're right, eskimospy.

There's the whole issue of heritage, as well, so it's important to remember that McCain will attempt to ride into office on the coattails of the Texas slime machine, unabashed applicators of whatever tarbrush they could find or fabricate... devoted followers of the Lee Atwater school of winning...
 

Cold Steel

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You could ALMOST argue that Gore started the Horton thing in a debate. He didn't mention that Horton was black, indeed he didn't mention Horton by name at all. But he did ask Dukakis about the weekend pass thing and that brought it to the Repugs attention. They, of course, ran with it. So, like I said, you could ALMOST argue that Gore started it.
 

Zebo

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OBAMA is scary himself - no need for a felon he has dreams of releasing.
 

Jhhnn

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And, of course, senseamp is quick to reference the Muslim Terrarist! boogeyman in an elliptical sort of way- just more of what we've been talking about.

By all means, keep it up. Stuff that has some sort of shock value generally wears of quickly, losing its effectiveness over time- ultimately, the perps are revealed as charlatans, because there's no underlying value other than shock. So, uhh, beat the skins off that silly drum long before anybody arrives in the voting booth, give them time to consider and reflect on what you've said and what it really means...
 

Lemon law

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I wonder if anyone has a video of John McCain blowing his legendary temper, something like that may be a very good way to sink some of the certain sleezy GOP swiftboats that will make their debut soon.

And every time the republirats air a scary some other black man ad, running a scary white man named McCain ad should work wonders to send the swiftboats back to home port.
 

senseamp

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
And, of course, senseamp is quick to reference the Muslim Terrarist! boogeyman in an elliptical sort of way- just more of what we've been talking about.

By all means, keep it up. Stuff that has some sort of shock value generally wears of quickly, losing its effectiveness over time- ultimately, the perps are revealed as charlatans, because there's no underlying value other than shock. So, uhh, beat the skins off that silly drum long before anybody arrives in the voting booth, give them time to consider and reflect on what you've said and what it really means...
You called him a Muslim Terrarist, not me. I am just answering the OP about who the RNC's Scary Blackman® 2008 will be.
 

Jhhnn

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There's a certain beauty to what you're doing, senseamp- you retain plausible deniability, at least in your own mind...
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
And, of course, senseamp is quick to reference the Muslim Terrarist! boogeyman in an elliptical sort of way- just more of what we've been talking about.

By all means, keep it up. Stuff that has some sort of shock value generally wears of quickly, losing its effectiveness over time- ultimately, the perps are revealed as charlatans, because there's no underlying value other than shock. So, uhh, beat the skins off that silly drum long before anybody arrives in the voting booth, give them time to consider and reflect on what you've said and what it really means...
You havnt seen nothing yet - wait till 527's get in this race.

I don't think his problems will subside with your 'typical' white guy or you're 'typical' white woman or your 'typical' latino due who will only get more shocked the more they 'learn' or are taught, as the case may be, about Obama.
 

tvarad

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Zebo:

"OBAMA is scary himself - no need for a felon he has dreams of releasing."

No go. The Dems just have to put up pictures of McCain. The guy looks like the face that pops out of a coffin in a Frankenstein movie when it's suddenly opened.
 

Zebo

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Obama's Horton could also be his wife.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2...rakhan-take-on-whitey/

I learned over the weekend why the Republicans who have seen the tape of Michelle Obama ranting about ?whitey? describe it as ?STUNNING.?


Dave - The Democrats should have breezed into the Oval office this year considering Bush is such a failure instead they decided to nominate a racist, inexperienced, Muslim? socialist who can't win once all his red flags are vetted.
 

mshan

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Anyone know when this rumor first surfaced?

I googled for presidential futures market and see a recent spike up and down: http://www.intrade.com/# (click on McCain graph for enlarged view).

I would think that most of those traders are trying to make money on day to day fluctuations, rather than betting on whom they think will eventually win the actual election, but something as devastating as that, if it were a game changer, would have presumably spiked up the McCain percentage and left it at a new higher baseline?

(I am also wondering whether release of such a tape, say after Labor Day, would only serve to reinforce already pre-held positions, rather than drastically changing the playing field?)
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: mshan
Anyone know when this rumor first surfaced?

I googled for presidential futures market and see a recent spike up and down: http://www.intrade.com/# (click on McCain graph for enlarged view).

I would think that most of those traders are trying to make money on day to day fluctuations, rather than betting on whom they think will eventually win the actual election, but something as devastating as that would have presumably spiked up the McCain percentage and left it there?

(I am also wondering whether release of such a tape, say after Labor Day, would only serve to reinforce already pre-held positions, rather than drastically changing the playing field?)
If the tape does surface, you won't see it till October. Than you will see it 10 times a day on every station/radio/web page for a month. I think it truly is a big if.


One lil tibbit to add


The presence of the tape is in doubt. Anywhere from 1-5 sources in anywhere from Chicago to Florida to New York have seen/heard/read transcript of the tape secretly/together/in the mail/secret tape cassette.

Just saying, no one has a straight story besides someone threw around the term whitey supposedly. Seems more of a "lets drop the rumor bond on some blogs and let them run with it, see where it goes, maybe we will get lucky" type game the republicans love to play.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Zebo
Obama's Horton could also be his wife.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2...rakhan-take-on-whitey/

I learned over the weekend why the Republicans who have seen the tape of Michelle Obama ranting about ?whitey? describe it as ?STUNNING.?
the supposed tape.

if it exists, someone is holding a pretty tight grip on it.
Most people won't need a tape to come to the conclusion Farrakhan, Wright and the Obama's are peas in a pod. It's only the latte libs and the college kids swooning still. And 95% blacks of course which can be forgiven considering it's the first time they've got a serious candidate in history.
 

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