Who is entitled to what

[Wheezer]

awwww....kids are so cute at that age.....thinking they are owed a job

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cPuH8jg5nQ

 

[TecHNooB]

let's make this a thread about unions

 

[IronWing]

Next thread up: Get a job, you bums!

 

[CPA]

Good video, however the message is lost to many Americans.

 

[jagec]

Parents: You are exceptional at everything that you do, and anytime you fail it's the fault of someone else.

Society: Six-figure jobs abound for anyone willing to go to college! Go into debt if you have to, you get to party for four years and then get a sweet job afterwards!

Kids: Wow, that all sounds great. Hey, where is my job? Hey, what do I do with all this debt?

Society: *gasp* Kids are so entitled these days! It must be the fault of the parents!

Parents: Why, we were NEVER like that when WE were growing up! Society must be going down the tubes!

 

[CPA]

Parents: You are exceptional at everything that you do, and anytime you fail it's the fault of someone else.

Society: Six-figure jobs abound for anyone willing to go to college! Go into debt if you have to, you get to party for four years and then get a sweet job afterwards!

Kids: Wow, that all sounds great. Hey, where is my job? Hey, what do I do with all this debt?

Society: *gasp* Kids are so entitled these days! It must be the fault of the parents!

Parents: Why, we were NEVER like that when WE were growing up! Society must be going down the tubes!

I get where you're going with this, but not all Parents do the first statement. I pound responsibility into my kids, no matter how trivial. Problem is, even with that direction, not everyone of my kid's believes it or really cares. The excuses I hear are incredible, illogical and irrational. I'm not sure if it's culture outside the home or something more innate. It is frustrating, however.

 

[Texashiker]

I pound responsibility into my kids, no matter how trivial. Problem is, even with that direction, not everyone of my kid's believes it or really cares.

Parents can talk until they are blue in the face, and the kid is still going to make their own choices.

I made my own choices, and my kids are making theirs.

However, looking at the 3 generations of my family (my parents, myself and my children), my children have less of a work ethic then either me or my parents.

Its not just my kids, but kids in general.

 

[jagec]

I get where you're going with this, but not all Parents do the first statement. I pound responsibility into my kids, no matter how trivial. Problem is, even with that direction, not everyone of my kid's believes it or really cares. The excuses I hear are incredible, illogical and irrational. I'm not sure if it's culture outside the home or something more innate. It is frustrating, however.

That's where culture comes in...both poor parenting AND a destructive culture are to blame for general problem.

You're doing all that you can personally to be a good parent, and it WILL make a difference when your kids grow up, but as you've found out for yourself, it's hard to instill good values when your kids are surrounded by bad examples, and a culture that endorses them.

I don't have kids yet, but I am tempted to raise them somewhere overseas just so that they can learn to appreciate hard work and not take modern luxuries for granted. I think that growing up in the third world was the best thing that could have happened to me.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Parents can talk until they are blue in the face, and the kid is still going to make their own choices.

I made my own choices, and my kids are making theirs.

However, looking at the 3 generations of my family (my parents, myself and my children), my children have less of a work ethic then either me or my parents.

Its not just my kids, but kids in general.

It is because work has less ethics in general. It is impossible to have a good work ethic when you can reasonable expect the company to screw you at every opportunity.

 

[njdevilsfan87]

I don't think any of us believe we are owed a job. But when some of us go to school, work our asses off, and then can't find a job because generation X and previous had to f us over, it's pretty frustrating. And now the workplaces have taken a complete turn for the worse because of that.

So you old farts are equally as responsible. How quickly you all seem to forget you were all entitled to those credit lines you should have never had in the first place.
(Well except here on AT since everyone here makes $100K+ a year but you get my point)

 

[Vdubchaos]

I love this line

"excel/improve/troubleshoot and resolve problems within organizations to make it better/grow"

3 careers
10+ companies/corps and dealt with 100s of Fortune 500 companies over the years

Every time you do what's in the quote, you will shoot yourself in the foot (not always, but most of the time).

Things are the way they are for a GOOD reason. Boss/owner allowed the problem to exist and in most cases created the problem themselves. They will blame everyone but themselves for it. And when you try to fix it they will do over thing in their power to stop you from changing Status quo.

Outside of that, it all sounds fine.

 

[Texashiker]

It is because work has less ethics in general. It is impossible to have a good work ethic when you can reasonable expect the company to screw you at every opportunity.

Some of my previous jobs have been nightmares when it came to pay and benefits. I honestly tried to do a good job, regardless of how much the company was exploiting me, but it grew difficult with every passing day.

As the generations pass, so do the needs of the nation. For the past 200 years the U.S. was nation building - building dams, building highways, building shipyards,,,.

The modern generations are enjoying the fruit of the labor from previous generations.

 

[CPA]

Parents can talk until they are blue in the face, and the kid is still going to make their own choices.

I made my own choices, and my kids are making theirs.

However, looking at the 3 generations of my family (my parents, myself and my children), my children have less of a work ethic then either me or my parents.

Its not just my kids, but kids in general.

I know, you are right and I just can't understand it. I go round and round on the cause, and I still can't nail it down. I think it may be a combination of media (social and otherwise), higher standards of living and the school system. But I'm just stabbing in the dark.

 

[CPA]

It is because work has less ethics in general. It is impossible to have a good work ethic when you can reasonable expect the company to screw you at every opportunity.

Kids don't have a clue of this nor do I think this is true in the vast majority of businesses.

 

[Texashiker]

I know, you are right and I just can't understand it. I go round and round on the cause, and I still can't nail it down. I think it may be a combination of media (social and otherwise), higher standards of living and the school system. But I'm just stabbing in the dark.

Article I read a couple of days ago,

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2012/07/02/120702crbo_books_kolbert

In one fairly typical encounter, a father asked his eight-year-old son five times to please go take a bath or a shower. After the fifth plea went unheeded, the father picked the boy up and carried him into the bathroom. A few minutes later, the kid, still unwashed, wandered into another room to play a video game.

Personally, I would have gotten a belt and whipped the kids ass all the way to the bathroom.

Maybe we are too lenient on kids?

Maybe we try to protect our children too much? Our protection handicaps the children when they grow up?

 

[sourceninja]

Exactly, my father subscribed to Tarkin Parenting.

'Fear will keep the children in line, fear of this ass kicking'

 

[highland145]

Exactly, my father subscribed to Tarkin Parenting.

'Fear will keep the children in line, fear of this ass kicking'

Same.

 

[Fritzo]

let's make this a thread about unions

LOL- unions ruined my city. For 50 years people here didn't care much about college because they would all go work for the car manufacturer here in town because the unions forced the company to pay $25/hr w/ full health coverage for jobs like pushing a button or sorting screws. The economy crashed, the company was restructured, and now those uneducated workers are making $12/hr or they're unemployed. The unions had no more pull since there wasn't any money left.

Now we have some of the highest unemployment in the state, the city isn't getting tax $'s for repairs or public programs, and we're loaded with uneducated/unskilled workers with no place to go.

 

[ShawnD1]

I pound responsibility into my kids, no matter how trivial.

Yeah sure. Have you ever referred to bad jobs as "burger flipping" jobs? If so, you are part of the problem. When the kid needs money and the only job is flipping burgers, they say no because you told them they are better than that.

 

[highland145]

Yeah sure. Have you ever referred to bad jobs as "burger flipping" jobs? If so, you are part of the problem. When the kid needs money and the only job is flipping burgers, they say no because you told them they are better than that.

But at the same time, he shouldn't be enabling them to play Nintendo and eat his food under his room.

 

[waggy]

I get where you're going with this, but not all Parents do the first statement. I pound responsibility into my kids, no matter how trivial. Problem is, even with that direction, not everyone of my kid's believes it or really cares. The excuses I hear are incredible, illogical and irrational. I'm not sure if it's culture outside the home or something more innate. It is frustrating, however.

agreed. I do my best to impose a work ethic. not just at home but in everything they do. if they are going to compete in a sport they need to work at it. But even then that is not at the expense of chores and a education.

i think i am doing a good job. BUT seeing how some parents are amazes me. Its not so much around here (i have found kids in the rural area have a far better work ethic) but when i visit friends/family in town.

My sister does all of her kids homework and such. my nephew is 12 and has traveled all over the US on his little league team. the kid is a great pitcher. but hell reading? math? fuck he has trouble with teh stuff my 9 yr old does.

he has no chores at either. He gets what he wants all the time.

Yeah sure. Have you ever referred to bad jobs as "burger flipping" jobs? If so, you are part of the problem. When the kid needs money and the only job is flipping burgers, they say no because you told them they are better than that.

They are bad jobs. BUT i also tell my kids thats the jobs teenage/college kids get. Your aren't due anything more. IF you don't have the education and work ethic to get a better job you get crap jobs like waitress (my ex-wife's sister is a waitress. she is 39 and poor as shit and always complaining about money)

 

[Via]

So the one lady says something to the effect of "you have to always give your all to this job" and then the contruction foreman adds "... and then some"

What? Fuck you, asshole. You're not "entitled" to me doing more than giving everything I have to this job.

I agree with much of this video, but that was retarded.

 

[poopaskoopa]

Yeah sure. Have you ever referred to bad jobs as "burger flipping" jobs? If so, you are part of the problem. When the kid needs money and the only job is flipping burgers, they say no because you told them they are better than that.

Not that CPA actually said that in the thread or anything, but if he or anyone else did, the kid still has to choose to stay home and do nothing or take the job and/or work towards something better.

 

[CPA]

Yeah sure. Have you ever referred to bad jobs as "burger flipping" jobs? If so, you are part of the problem. When the kid needs money and the only job is flipping burgers, they say no because you told them they are better than that.

okay, maybe I was being too literal. I'm talking about taking responsibility for your actions and for your current state. It's not my fault if he's bored. It's not my fault if he broke a rule and got his computer taken away. It's not my fault if I offer some extra jobs around the house to earn money but he decides not to do them. It's not my fault that he slacked off in class and didn't pass. Those are the responsibilities I'm referring to.

My 15 year old son has already been told that next summer (16 years old) he will be applying to Sonic, Arby's and a slew of other places to get a summer job. Burger flipping is not beneath him (nor was it for me when I worked at Hardee's for two years).

 

[Texashiker]

My 15 year old son has already been told that next summer (16 years old) he will be applying to Sonic, Arby's and a slew of other places to get a summer job. Burger flipping is not beneath him (nor was it for me when I worked at Hardee's for two years).

You are going to make your kid get a job? The horror of it all, what is the world coming to.

A small family owned business I used to work at, one of the supervisors made his son work there during the summer. The kid was like 12 years old and sweeping floors.

Someone must have called the labor board, some people showed up from the state and saw the kid sweeping the floors. The people from the state said the kid should not be working because he was like 12 years old.