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who is better?????

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dbentley1267

Junior Member
I have read through most of the posts here some are rather ridiculous some were good etc...

but i have been in the hardware and software testing for the last 7 years, 2 at big blue that is ibm for those who do not know and 5 here at xpoint as far as many comments on intel vs amd processors i would not even know where to begin i am not a "processor guru know it all" like some here but i have a few observations if you do not mind first i think dual core anything is rather cool from both camps, and this is why i sort of got spoiled when i was at ibm, i have owned so many dual cpu systems it is not funny (honestly) when all the fuss over pentium 3 500, amd k6 450 - 500 etc, my friends in the gaming community were just crazy and everyone was bragging who was the best that is until i walked in with a dual pentium 3 xeon 550 with 2mb of cache per chip and 512 mb ecc and a 64 mb quadro 2 now who is talking etc...

well i have owned

1 dual pentium pro 200
4 pentium 2/3 400/500/677/800 (ibm m pro, tyan, intel)
3 pentium 3 xeon 550 2 mb l2 cache (IBM z pro)
2 pentium 3 xeon 866 (ibm z pro and sgi)

now where i fell off of the band wagon was in the advent of the new xeon's they were much too expensive so i got stuck running a single core pentium 4 this is where i got real ticked off at intel and amd amd stopped their short run of what was ahtlon mp?? and intel did not enable smp on their p4 so true computing was left for those with big pockets

it does not matter how fast your single processor is at some point it will come to a grinding halt, single core single thread and you know what it happens to both amd and intel (PERIOD) i was so spoiled at having smp systems that having the true ability to run many tasks at the same time and still have a system that is usable, now some one was talking about motherboards, who is best etc i have run oh i dont know 10 or 12 intel motherboards at least abit 2 (they were ok) and tyan 3 (all were bad), aopen (4 we wont go there I was really disappointed) gigabyte too many the most stable motherboards were always intel i ran at least 6 dual boards and 4 single boards and you know what they were rock solid

sure i could not over clock and maybe i missed some little frill or two but go back and read many of the reviews out there you will find that almost all of the reviews say the same thing intel boards are rock solid stable now as far as amd, well i was one of those early birds who got a real bad taste in my mouth, i remember having to have special order power supplies, there were a ton of driver issues motherboard stability problems etc... now i know these have been worked out and things are way better than before but even today who is best

does it really matter that i can run a bench mark 20 seconds faster or that i can run 10 fps more what about power? oh that is right i guess we got consumption meters on out computers so we know how much of our light bill is from our pc my my my, where have we gone? i read through the posts and some of you guys are fighting like little kids (my dad is bigger than your dad) WOW

and some of you just get down right vicious so who is the best? well as i read it amd wins the war on benchmarks they used to win on price but again what are we buying into, what are we really getting? it boils down to this

10 seconds that is a whole lot!!!

20 fps more, gee i thought i remember reading somewhere that 40 fps was max we could see a difference (correct me if i am wrong)

20 watts of power

etc etc etc etc.....

hey guys let us have fun that is what life is about aint it

well i will add some more thought later just too much going through my mind now to type
 
Holy long-winded...

Neither is better.

I hate when people assume one has to be better. Both have their strengths.

For dual-core, the A64 X2 pretty much wins everything in terms of performance, & also runs alot cooler.
However, if budget dual-core is needed, the Pentium D 820 (2x 2.8 GHz) is available.

In single core, A64s are overall a better price/performance CPU, but for light multitasking, the P4 6xx series is a tad better, & they still lead in a few select media applications.

In notebooks, Pentium M is a relatively clear winner, since Turion isn't all that much cheaper, & tends to fall short of the Dothan's battery life & performance.
 
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Holy long-winded...
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Well being detailed is just fine with me. Too often people say things like "My computer doesn't work right, what's wrong with it? It's got Windows XP on it."

But sheesh, try some punctuation and capitilization long sentences just seem to go on and on sure they can be easy to type that way but it can be tough to follow and figure out where one thought ends and another begins which can make it even more difficult for a forum full of impatient attention challenged people to read the entire thing most will just say cliff notes but not all a few will read it and try to reply so this is why its important to use proper sentence structure though I do see you used paragraphs which is good.
 
taken well

i usually write thoughts all seperately but then it always looks like it is 20 pages long

sorry about that

my wife is in africa and speaks fluent french and broken english so writing in good english sort of got lost somewhere

so what happens then i just take out all of the seperate lines and make paragraphs and obviously i do not pay attention to punctuation

taken well, i usually write thoughts all seperately but then it always looks like it is 20 pages long sorry about that, my wife is in africa and speaks fluent french and broken english so writing in good english sort of got lost somewhere, so what happens then i just take out all of the seperate lines and make paragraphs and obviously i do not pay attention to punctuation

 
No worries man, welcome to the forums 🙂

So are you planning to buy a new system?

Or just engaging us in discussion 😉


Also, you might want to edit your post title to something less volatile

When people see Intel vs. AMD threads, things tend to turn into a flame war; i.e., lots of insults & stupidity because of brands 😛
 
Originally posted by: n7

Neither is better.

I hate when people assume one has to be better. Both have their strengths.

For dual-core, the A64 X2 pretty much wins everything in terms of performance, & also runs alot cooler.
However, if budget dual-core is needed, the Pentium D 820 (2x 2.8 GHz) is available.

In single core, A64s are overall a better price/performance CPU, but for light multitasking, the P4 6xx series is a tad better, & they still lead in a few select media applications.

In notebooks, Pentium M is a relatively clear winner, since Turion isn't all that much cheaper, & tends to fall short of the Dothan's battery life & performance.
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I think this sums it up pretty good, :thumbsup: to n7.

I'm not sure about calling the Pentium M a "clear winner" though. From what I can tell the Turion isn't that far behind the Pentium M in battery life or performance, and for its price I think it is a very competitive. even if the Pentium M is slightly ahead in the notebook category, I think its best to say "Both have their strengths".
 
Originally posted by: justly
I'm not sure about calling the Pentium M a "clear winner" though. From what I can tell the Turion isn't that far behind the Pentium M in battery life or performance, and for its price I think it is a very competitive. even if the Pentium M is slightly ahead in the notebook category, I think its best to say "Both have their strengths".
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Which can be said across the board, whether we're talking about the 6xx Prescotts, Pentium D, X2, or Pentium M. Or Turion. Whatever flavor you prefer. 😀
 
What is better, a honda or a ford? Both have there good qualities, but in the end they are both great cars.
 
Originally posted by: justly

I think this sums it up pretty good, :thumbsup: to n7.

I'm not sure about calling the Pentium M a "clear winner" though. From what I can tell the Turion isn't that far behind the Pentium M in battery life or performance, and for its price I think it is a very competitive. even if the Pentium M is slightly ahead in the notebook category, I think its best to say "Both have their strengths".
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The Turion is still in search of a notebook...it's still too early to say which is better (keep in mind that the Turion is still a relative infant by comparison). We probably won't see the Turion hit it's stride till January, when the new flock of notebook designs come out.
That said, "Both have their strengths" is the truth of it...though at the moment AMD appears to have a lot more of those strengths, there are still a number of applications that Intel excels at.
 
20 fps more, gee i thought i remember reading somewhere that 40 fps was max we could see a difference (correct me if i am wrong)
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People who say that have no working knowlwdge of what fps are in relationship to online gaming!!!

The 2 cannot be related!!!
 
Originally posted by: Viditor
Originally posted by: justly

I think this sums it up pretty good, :thumbsup: to n7.

I'm not sure about calling the Pentium M a "clear winner" though. From what I can tell the Turion isn't that far behind the Pentium M in battery life or performance, and for its price I think it is a very competitive. even if the Pentium M is slightly ahead in the notebook category, I think its best to say "Both have their strengths".
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The Turion is still in search of a notebook...it's still too early to say which is better (keep in mind that the Turion is still a relative infant by comparison). We probably won't see the Turion hit it's stride till January, when the new flock of notebook designs come out.
That said, "Both have their strengths" is the truth of it...though at the moment AMD appears to have a lot more of those strengths, there are still a number of applications that Intel excels at.
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true, plus when comparing notebook cpu`s u allways have to compare the whole notebook. u cant make sure how much power exactly and only the CPU/Chipset is eatin. Makes it difficult to compare Turion vs P-m. And from user reviews on the lets say Ferrari 4005, it ran about 3.30h to 4.00h, which if u consider it has a x700 is not that bad compared to the P-m notebooks. btw when in comes to notebooks i wouldnt stare only at the CPU, theres so much more to check for (eg screenquality, touch and feel, hotspots, noise...u name it) So the decision to choose allways one over the other imo is pointless. Both are good, and even if the P-m is slightly better (though theres not enough proof to convince the amd fanboy in me at this point) i wouldnt mind if i had to buy either of them as long as the other components and the overall quality is fine. A crappy lappy with a P-m still is crap, vice versa 🙂
 
Tech wise, AMD right now. Come Q4 that could change (yonah). All depends if you believe the hype.

Right now, both in single and dual cores AMD is the one to side with. Even in the few bench's that Intel wins it's hardly by massive amounts IMO. I personally like my snappy feel, smaller latencies on my chips. Only would I recommend a Pentium 4 for heavy multitasking on a single core. But then again if you?re serious about multitasking then you?ll go dual core, and in that case, there?s only one real winner.

I am not being downbeat on Intel, the only thing chips that have caught my attention for consideration in the last few years have been Northwood and Pentium M.
 
Originally posted by: n7
Holy long-winded...

Neither is better.

I hate when people assume one has to be better. Both have their strengths.

For dual-core, the A64 X2 pretty much wins everything in terms of performance, & also runs alot cooler.
However, if budget dual-core is needed, the Pentium D 820 (2x 2.8 GHz) is available.

In single core, A64s are overall a better price/performance CPU, but for light multitasking, the P4 6xx series is a tad better, & they still lead in a few select media applications.

In notebooks, Pentium M is a relatively clear winner, since Turion isn't all that much cheaper, & tends to fall short of the Dothan's battery life & performance.
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:thumbsup:
 
I'd have to disagree with the general sentiment that both have their strengths. This is my own opinion and Im not trying to sell anyone on a particular processor or start a flame war so if you dont agree with me fine, dont get torqued about it. I'm just stating my own experience with 15 years of custom builts under my belt including recent P4 rigs. I do not see any advantage whatsoever in owning a Pentium 4 of any type at this point in time. I say this because of a couple of reasons.

First the clocks needed on the P4 to compete with the A64 are very high, without overclocking it is virtualy impossible to overcome the A64 in any single threaded application. In general the P4 needs a 1.5Ghz or better clock over the A64 to distance itself in any meaningfull way (please note I said distance itself, not match). In gaming the P4 is simply out classed across the board by the A64's...even lower speed chips will match the highest stock clocked P4 including the EE chips. In a couple of encoding app's the P4 pulls ahead, but honestly ask yourself how much time your machine spends encoding video or music and unless your making your living at encoding the P4 loses any appeal it held.

Second, and the biggest one for me personaly, the heat output of the last few P4 models has been rediculous. The pure waste of energy that comes with using the P4 can not be justified. Indeed, many Prescotts idle hotter than A64 running overclocked. An example is the 3.4Ghz prescott machine I built earlier this year, it idled in the mid 40's. The overclocked A64 3400 im running now is idling in the mid 30's @ 2.6 Ghz.

In the end the brand name appeal of the P4 is, in my opinion, the only reason P4's have sold at all. That and the lucrative OEM deals Intel makes with everyone in the PC business.
 
Hey

I am slightly amazed we had civilized comments

"Also, you might want to edit your post title to something less volatile

When people see Intel vs. AMD threads, things tend to turn into a flame war; i.e., lots of insults & stupidity because of brands "

ok here is a new one for you

from both camps what i have always seen as absolutely absurd is

releasing a new processor 100 mhz faster than the last and charging a bundle

intel did what
SKT 423 400 fsb 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, 1.8
SKT 478 400 fsb1.8, 2.0, 2.2, 2.4, 2.6, 2.8, 3.0
SKT 478 533 fsb 2.4, 2.533, 2.6, 2.8, 3.06 HT
SKT 478 800 fsb HT 2.4, 2.6, 2.8, 3.0

etc etc etc...

What is all of this BIG BS, when we were in MHz it was a little acceptable but when we got to GHz what is the gain?

Give us a real speed boost and why all of the slow chips??? When going to a new SKU like from the 400 - 533 don't go backwards but go forwards

Oh but this is where both camps come to real failures AMD and Intel

Because someone had to be at the top of the hill design was pushed to the limit and rushed out the door. So we the consumer ends up with half baked goods.

Low quality, low yields, now if anybody don't already know each manufacturer tests each product for reaching or not reaching specification.

Where did all of those lower speed processors come from?
e.g. new P4 800 MHz chips

Released at what 2.8 GHz and yet we have availible 2.4 GHz and up, right?

Well all of those 2.8 that did not meent spec and ran at lower clocks became slower chips.

I will not say this is like (Absolute Fact) but when I worked at IBM this was a tidbit I learned from the hardware guys. Makes you feel real good about the product you are buying.

Same goes for hard drives all of those who could not format 300 GB but came in at 265 GB were firm ware altered to be 250 GB etc...

So as for me I wish I could challenge all of these vendors, (Hey really give us a top of the line real quality product) and do not charge us for your failures and inadequecies!!!!!



 
Originally posted by: dbentley1267
taken well

i usually write thoughts all seperately but then it always looks like it is 20 pages long

sorry about that

my wife is in africa and speaks fluent french and broken english so writing in good english sort of got lost somewhere

so what happens then i just take out all of the seperate lines and make paragraphs and obviously i do not pay attention to punctuation

taken well, i usually write thoughts all seperately but then it always looks like it is 20 pages long sorry about that, my wife is in africa and speaks fluent french and broken english so writing in good english sort of got lost somewhere, so what happens then i just take out all of the seperate lines and make paragraphs and obviously i do not pay attention to punctuation
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Ok, cool. A good many people here will see anything that looks like it might take a bit of effort to read, whether it be length or structure, and either click away, or just post "Cliff Notes?"


I have liked AMD because they've tended to be overclock friendly, and they generally offer more performance for the money. Generally. I haven't been shopping for a new CPU and motherboard since I got my NF7-S boards with Athlon XP-Mobile processors. They have served me well, and I don't really see a need for anything else until I get the urge and time for some new games. Heck, I still haven't played Half Life 2. Newest game I have is Homeworld 2, and it plays fine on my system.

I am slightly amazed we had civilized comments
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I too am surprised by this. A post like "AMD or Intel, which is better" can usually be translated to "Please click here if you want to nef and flame until a mod locks the thread."
 
Neither...It is depended on how the system is built as a whole, psu, ram, vid card, hard drive, motherboard depends on one to each other....crappy psu, crappy system, crappy cpu, crappy performance, bogus ram, crappy cpu and system, crappy hdd, crappy load ups. it all coincides.
 
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