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Who here is still undecided?

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Mavtek3100

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Could you tell us why you haven't picked a candidate to support yet? If you haven't. Is their a particular issue you're waiting for to be discussed? Are you watching the debates? Do you have any questions about the candidates and or their views?
 
I'm not American but I have been following the election closely and if I were in USA I would be undecided still. It really does feel like you guys are choosing between a douche and a turd this cycle, there are no real gems in my opinion. If forced to choose I would say either Obama or McCain.
 
I know I'll be voting Republican, but I am not sure which one I'll pick when the primary hits Florida.

Sadly every candidate on both sides is flawed.
 
more or less decided.

voting for McCain in the primary.

my general election preference is something like...

McCain >= Obama = Hillary
 
in order of preference
Dems: kucinich, obama, richardson, edwards, hillary

reps: Paul, McCain, huck, romney, thompson, guiliani

overall of major candidates still in the race: obama, edwards, paul, mcCain, abstain, huck, hillary, romney, thompson, guiliani
 
I'm mostly for Obama.. I think it is a crapshoot anyways so my motivation here is simple. I want the newspapers in France, China, Australia, South Africa, etc. to have it plastered on their front pages that a black man named Barack Hussein Obama won the American presidency. I've lived abroad and plan on living abroad long term, so this would help our image a lot. Plus the guy is a very motivational speaker and would be more interesting to listen to for 4-8 years.

With that said I probably could be convinced otherwise, but really the rest of them don't appeal to me at all. McCain is too war-hungry and Clinton is.. Clinton.
 
This is the first time I can remember where I look at the slate and truly have no idea. Not because it's that hard to pick... but because they ALL suck to badly. I'll probably vote for the R either way even though it wont matter... I live in a blue state.

I was really hoping Gingrich would jump into this thing.
 
Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
Yes Farang it would seem the world would rather us elect Ron Paul or Barack Obama pretty much overwhelmingly.

http://www.whowouldtheworldelect.com/
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I'll vote for Obama; or, if the Dems screw up their nominations, I'll vote for whoever is running against Hillary on the Republican side.

By the way, is this thread just another veiled effort to post more Ron Paul bullsh*t? Hmmm...
 
Barring an early drop-out I will likely vote for Ron Paul in the primaries. Even though my vote may not count on his behalf, I'll make damn sure it counts on behalf of my voting right and values.

Unless McCain gets the nomination, I have a hard time seeing myself voting Republican in the Presidential election.

 
Tough choice at this point. Not too keen on any of the candidates.

In the primary where I have to vote republican I will vote for Thompson even though he stands a rats ass of a chance getting the nomination, or even winning my state in NY.

In the national election iut will depend on who gets the nods from both sides. I think I would vote for Obama rather than any Republican at the moment. But if the Dems put up Hillary I will vote against her no matter who the Republican is, even if GWB gets on the ballot again lol.
 
I'm kinda stuck...I live in NV and will decide this saturday but i just can't at this point - my vote will likely be a vote to keep guiliani and romney out - so either huckabee or mccain. I'm registered Repulican but i dont have any strong support behind any republican. they have kinda all dissapointed me up to this point in one way or another. i want a guy who wants to end the war, has a way to help the economy that doesn't mean bailing out people by giving them free money, and has ideas that are feasable and would have a possiblity of achiving one day.
 
Originally posted by: Rockinacoustic
Barring an early drop-out I will likely vote for Ron Paul in the primaries. Even though my vote may not count on his behalf, I'll make damn sure it counts on behalf of my voting right and values.

Unless McCain gets the nomination, I have a hard time seeing myself voting Republican in the Presidential election.
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I don't see McCain/Paul being similar, but to each his own. I wish everyone had your ideals when voting. Both voting for themselves and if they don't feel truly represented by the candidates then don't vote. People seem to have forgotten not voting is almost as much a statement as voting.
 
I haven't decided yet mainly because I have no say in the primary, so there's no real point in my taking the time to learn about the candidates. So far, I don't like anyone. If I had to pick one now, I'd go with Huckabee, but only because we would end up with Colbert or Chuck Norris as the VP.
 
Originally posted by: Drakkon
I'm kinda stuck...I live in NV and will decide this saturday but i just can't at this point - my vote will likely be a vote to keep guiliani and romney out - so either huckabee or mccain. I'm registered Repulican but i dont have any strong support behind any republican. they have kinda all dissapointed me up to this point in one way or another. i want a guy who wants to end the war, has a way to help the economy that doesn't mean bailing out people by giving them free money, and has ideas that are feasable and would have a possiblity of achiving one day.
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You're joking right? You just described Ron Paul's platform, and in Nevada trust me you wouldn't be wasting your vote.
 
The nominations are usually decided before Washington voters have a say, so I'm not putting much effort into following 12 candidates when I'll only have 2 to choose between for the election.
 
Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
Originally posted by: Rockinacoustic
Barring an early drop-out I will likely vote for Ron Paul in the primaries. Even though my vote may not count on his behalf, I'll make damn sure it counts on behalf of my voting right and values.

Unless McCain gets the nomination, I have a hard time seeing myself voting Republican in the Presidential election.
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I don't see McCain/Paul being similar, but to each his own. I wish everyone had your ideals when voting. Both voting for themselves and if they don't feel truly represented by the candidates then don't vote. People seem to have forgotten not voting is almost as much a statement as voting.
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It is true that they are essentially polar opposite candidates. But from my point of view, if I can't have a candidate who is determined to get us out of the mess in Iraq and be fiscally responsible, then I'll choice the one who will give us the best chance for progress while over there; If we're gonna spend billions of dollars, lets spend it strategically and wisely no?

McCain may have questionable domestic policies and knowledge (notably the economy), but perhaps the best thing for this country is someone who can best clean up our foreign policy amidst trying to overhaul our own problems at home.

But hey, I'm working with what my country is giving me for my first time voting :roll:
 
Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
Could you tell us why you haven't picked a candidate to support yet? If you haven't. Is their a particular issue you're waiting for to be discussed? Are you watching the debates? Do you have any questions about the candidates and or their views?
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1: Why not? Don't like the candidates, none of them are even remotely perfect.

2: Particular issues, smaller government ? border enforcement ? opposition to Islamic Supremacy. They?ve said plenty, but I don?t like what they?re saying generally.

3: Yes, I?m watching the debates, maybe not all of them. I catch them from time to time.

As for questions. I think those would revolve around the 3 specific issues to try and understand how they each fit into them. Then I?d have to decide if they were telling me the truth of not. Bleh.

Worst of all, only Ron Paul is sincere about smaller government ? and that?s the only seriously good answer to ANY of the 3 major issues from ANYONE. Any of them might pander with something I want to hear, but I don?t trust them ? especially when their record and their ideology tell a different story.

It?s a rather depressing time, politically, to be someone who wants less government, a sovereign nation, and a cut-throat policy on extremists. Because frankly no matter which PARTY is in power they?ll f? up all 3 issues at the same time. Just like Bush has.
 
Originally posted by: Farang
Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
Yes Farang it would seem the world would rather us elect Ron Paul or Barack Obama pretty much overwhelmingly.

http://www.whowouldtheworldelect.com/
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That poll is non-scientific and not at all accurate. I don't care so much that the world likes Obama, I want them to know we can like Obama.
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I wouldn't vote for a Hussien for is for certain.

I really Hate the fact that some people think we need to increase our standing in the world. Who gives a schit. You don't vote for a pres for PR though out the planet.

Good thing is at least he's not a personal injury lawyer or a Washington insider like the other two.

The GOP has too many ho hum candidates. And maybe no classic conservatives.

If Mit wasn't Mormon I'd feel better about him. Sorry to offend but most Christians think they are a leech. He looks and act Presidential though.

Huck- no thanks doesn't do it for me to mild mannered. Likes his illegals too much for my tatse.

McCain- Is more a Southern Democrat than a part of the GOP. Sorry John I support waterboarding terrorists. It is an effective proven method.

Rudy - The media hates this guy I hardley here much. Rudy is a JERK but I think he would be an effective leader.

and Thompson - Wish I could here more on what looks like the most conservative candidate. again the media are not interested in reporting anything about him.

Ron Paul - Nut job with some interesting ideas. Not Presidential material.

who to vote for? i dunno
 
I would be perfectly happy with Clinton, Obama, or Edwards. I also like McCain, but I don't think he would be able to keep up with the ringer that is Washington. Forget about Romney, Huckabee or Thompson, they would just serve up more of whats going on now. I am confident that Clinton, Obama, and Edwards have the necessary vitality and drive to actually strive for major changes in current economic and foreign policy.
 
I'm undecided because I've already voted in my primary, and now I'm waiting to see who the two nominees are.
 
EXman

Interesting response, Ron Paul is a nutjob with interesting ideas? Do you label everyone with interesting ideas as nutjobs? Is their room for intelligent discussion/discourse without name calling or generalization?
 
Originally posted by: Rockinacoustic
Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
Originally posted by: Rockinacoustic
Barring an early drop-out I will likely vote for Ron Paul in the primaries. Even though my vote may not count on his behalf, I'll make damn sure it counts on behalf of my voting right and values.

Unless McCain gets the nomination, I have a hard time seeing myself voting Republican in the Presidential election.
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I don't see McCain/Paul being similar, but to each his own. I wish everyone had your ideals when voting. Both voting for themselves and if they don't feel truly represented by the candidates then don't vote. People seem to have forgotten not voting is almost as much a statement as voting.
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It is true that they are essentially polar opposite candidates. But from my point of view, if I can't have a candidate who is determined to get us out of the mess in Iraq and be fiscally responsible, then I'll choice the one who will give us the best chance for progress while over there; If we're gonna spend billions of dollars, lets spend it strategically and wisely no?

McCain may have questionable domestic policies and knowledge (notably the economy), but perhaps the best thing for this country is someone who can best clean up our foreign policy amidst trying to overhaul our own problems at home.

But hey, I'm working with what my country is giving me for my first time voting :roll:
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McCain is not fiscally responsible in any way. I think hes committed us to 100 years in Iraq and he is very pro amnesty. I dont mind immigrants but any deal will be very divisive for everyone. It will create a lot of resentment and social strife with current economic conditions. Amnesty for 12 million means a crushing influx for social security and Medicaid. It would be a death blow for entitlements for anyone. period.

Besides the war is going to end one way to another. A trillion $ a year cannot be funded any longer. I think this economy is in far more trouble than anyone would like to think. Ben Bernake today was pleading for congress to step in. He knows the Fed has messed things up with inflating the money supply. They have tried to stall the symptoms of a recession by cutting interest rates and relying on new standards of measuring inflation to hid the fact we are in trouble. Just like before the great depression this will only make our outcome far worse than what it had to be.

Ron Paul is the republican all the other republicans are stealing talking points from because the rest don't have a clue on monetary policy. McCain was on Anderson Cooper tonight with rather lame attempt to parrot Ron's stance on how inflation comes about.

Ron is the only one that has the fortitude to step in and immediately cut a trillion $ a year for an unconstitutional war. A war that wasn't officially declared and repeal powers the federal government never had the right to assume. Especially for the role of the presidency that Bush has amassed. Any other Dem or Rep besides Ron Paul would step into office the first day and just thank Bush for the work hes done for them

States used to compete to be the most open and free. Now people vote on socialist polices in one state and then wonder why it becomes so messed up.. they move somewhere else and do the same. Look at MA and NH. Many moved out of MA into NH. Now it is basically a suburb of Boston and guess what... they just voted for McCain and Romney.

Any time a politician panders for my vote I like to remember the phrase; A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have.
 
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