Who has the most to lose if we go off the Fiscal Cliff? New poll says Republicans...

[Ryan]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...epublicans-losing-blame-game-on-fiscal-cliff/

A majority of Americans say that if the country goes over the fiscal cliff on Dec. 31, congressional Republicans should bear the brunt of the blame, according to a new Washington Post-Pew Research Center poll, the latest sign that the GOP faces a perilous path on the issue between now and the end of the year.

While 53 percent of those surveyed say the GOP would (and should) lose the fiscal cliff blame game, just 27 percent say President Obama would be deserving of more of the blame. Roughly one in 10 (12 percent) volunteer that both sides would be equally to blame.

I wonder how much this will help Democrats during the 2014 elections......

 

[IGBT]

The banking sector has over $800 trillion in derivatives ready to implode the entire system. They have also benefited from fraudulently low interest rates, which props up assets through fraudulent accounting.
None of these recoveries are real in any sense of true wealth and production.

While Washington is preoccupied with the so-called fiscal cliff, little attention has been given to the fiscal avalanche that will occur if we continue down an unsustainable, long-term path, causing markets to turn sour on U.S. debt and leading to a spike in interest rates.

Such a eurolike crisis would make the fiscal cliff look like a dip in the road. Unlike driving off a cliff, which you can see coming and make last-minute adjustments to avert, we cannot predict with any reasonable certainty when the avalanche will break. If it does, there will be little anyone can do to prevent its devastating effects.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/23/after-fiscal-cliff-comes-fiscal-avalanche/

 

[blackangst1]

Im confused. Your topic says Republicans have the most to lose, but your article says those polled say Republicans will be to blame.



Anyhow. Republicans have offered a compromise to the Dems. Ball is in their court. The net effect is the same: those making over $250k/year will pay more.

 

[Genx87]

Americans want more spending and to tax the wealthy? What else is new? When it comes crashing down on their head who will they blame if Obama gets his way? We are living in a dream world thinking we can continue to increase spending while taxing only the wealthy.

 

[FerrelGeek]

The dems are hoping we drop off the cliff. The dems will blame the reps. The 'I want my free .gov goodies' crowd will believe the dems.

We can't raise enough revenue to balance out our spending. We're done.

 

[werepossum]

Im confused. Your topic says Republicans have the most to lose, but your article says those polled say Republicans will be to blame.



Anyhow. Republicans have offered a compromise to the Dems. Ball is in their court. The net effect is the same: those making over $250k/year will pay more.

Perception is reality. The left controls the vast majority of news and pseudo-news outlets, so the right will get the blame from most people. Republicans can realize this and cave, or they can ignore it and take the political hit.

 

[piasabird]

You can also say goodbye to Earned Income Credit.

 

[piasabird]

There are 18 taxes in O'BammaCare! Well not all items are exactly taxes.

Here are 3 taxes designed to hit wealthier Americans. So Wealthier Americans are already going to be paying more taxes.

•Section 1401 imposes a 40 percent excise tax on “Cadillac” health insurance plans. This new tax will apply to health plans valued in excess of $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for families. Those thresholds will grow annually by inflation plus 1 percent. The tax takes effect in 2018 and is projected to raise $32 billion by 2019.

Read more at http://investmentwatchblog.com/18-new-taxes-coming-with-obamacare/#Qp8YGvrZTrTez0mM.99


•Section 1411 increases the Medicare Hospital Insurance (HI) portion of the payroll tax. This provision will increase the employee’s portion from 1.45 percent to 2.35 percent for families making more than $250,000 a year (and for individuals making more than $200,000). Combined with the employer’s portion, the total rate will be 3.8 percent on every dollar of income over $250,000 when the tax hike takes effect in 2013.

Read more at http://investmentwatchblog.com/18-new-taxes-coming-with-obamacare/#Qp8YGvrZTrTez0mM.99


•Section 1411 also imposes a new payroll tax on investment. This tax provision applies the new higher 3.8 percent Medicare tax to investment income—including capital gains, dividends, rents, and royalties—and is scheduled to become effective in 2013. Together, the Medicare tax hikes will raise $210 billion between 2013 and 2019.

Read more at http://investmentwatchblog.com/18-new-taxes-coming-with-obamacare/#Qp8YGvrZTrTez0mM.99

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...epublicans-losing-blame-game-on-fiscal-cliff/



I wonder how much this will help Democrats during the 2014 elections......

You're looking at a poll... a political poll... on who will get the blame for the fiscal cliff. This isn't about those that are involved in politics, it's about the majority of the people in this nation.


And guess what? The majority of the people in this nation don't have the slightest clue of what is going on in current politics other than the POTUS.

 

[Ausm]

Im confused. Your topic says Republicans have the most to lose, but your article says those polled say Republicans will be to blame.



Anyhow. Republicans have offered a compromise to the Dems. Ball is in their court. The net effect is the same: those making over $250k/year will pay more.

Republicans don't want the top 2% to cough anything more up and we will most likely go over the Fiscal Cliff so the Ultra Rich will be Taxed higher anyway. Oh I forgot to mention the best part is the Repubs will be blamed for the U.S. going over the cliff too. I call that a Win Win in my book.

 

[Ausm]

perception is reality. the left controls the vast majority of news and pseudo-news outlets, so the right will get the blame from most people. Republicans can realize this and cave, or they can ignore it and take the political hit.

lolwut??? Lmao!!

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

lolwut??? Lmao!!

Explain the George Zimmerman case - retarded black kid assaults a security driven neighborhood watch - news media errupts in "innocent poor black boy" photos - yet plenty of one's showing his ghetto ass criminal side are all over the place. Yet they clearly only report it one way - yet the only photo of Zimmerman they show is him when he was arrested for some misdemeanor (I can't recall it off the top of my head what it was).

Liberals in denial. It's a serious disease that needs to be addressed folks!

 

[Rainsford]

Perception is reality. The left controls the vast majority of news and pseudo-news outlets, so the right will get the blame from most people. Republicans can realize this and cave, or they can ignore it and take the political hit.

Instead of blaming people for being too dumb to understand conservative brilliance or blaming the media for tricking everyone, MAYBE it's worth considering the possibility that conservative ideas are either poorly argued or crap to begin with. At some point it has to be at least a bit your fault if you can't make a convincing argument for something...

Do you honestly think that the problem is that people are don't understand Republican positions and the reasoning behind them (either because the people are dumb or being tricked)? Or is it that they understand just fine and simply disagree?

 

[Ausm]

Explain the George Zimmerman case - retarded black kid assaults a security driven neighborhood watch - news media errupts in "innocent poor black boy" photos - yet plenty of one's showing his ghetto ass criminal side are all over the place. Yet they clearly only report it one way - yet the only photo of Zimmerman they show is him when he was arrested for some misdemeanor (I can't recall it off the top of my head what it was).

Liberals in denial. It's a serious disease that needs to be addressed folks!

WTF are you smoking ALT parody bot?

 

[IGBT]

go ahead. earners and achievers in business will pay for the new taxes with lay offs.

 

[Ausm]

Instead of blaming people for being too dumb to understand conservative brilliance or blaming the media for tricking everyone, MAYBE it's worth considering the possibility that conservative ideas are either poorly argued or crap to begin with. At some point it has to be at least a bit your fault if you can't make a convincing argument for something...

Do you honestly think that the problem is that people are don't understand Republican positions and the reasoning behind them (either because the people are dumb or being tricked)? Or is it that they understand just fine and simply disagree?

I would go with this look no further than Supply Side Economics and Also the Repeal of Glass-Steagall.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

WTF are you smoking ALT parody bot?

Please, continue proving my point with no argument

 

[Ausm]

go ahead. earners and achievers in business will pay for the new taxes with lay offs.

How were people employed when these people where paying a 70% rate in 60's-80's?

 

[Ausm]

Please, continue proving my point with no argument

WTF does your ramblings have to do with anything besides boosting an ALT parody bot post count?

 

[soundforbjt]

Explain the George Zimmerman case - retarded black kid assaults a security driven neighborhood watch - news media errupts in "innocent poor black boy" photos - yet plenty of one's showing his ghetto ass criminal side are all over the place. Yet they clearly only report it one way - yet the only photo of Zimmerman they show is him when he was arrested for some misdemeanor (I can't recall it off the top of my head what it was).

Liberals in denial. It's a serious disease that needs to be addressed folks!

I think you're replying to the wrong thread. This isn't the Zimmerman thread.

 

[Rainsford]

go ahead. earners and achievers in business will pay for the new taxes with lay offs.

Republicans would have a lot better time with their argument for "earners and achievers" if they didn't constantly suggest ONLY those at the very tip top of society belong in that category.

In any case, if employment was directly tied to after-tax income of rich people, the last few decades should have been a LOT better for everyone else. The impressive increase in income and wealth disparity would seem to suggest trickle down economics isn't a very good model.

 

[Genx87]

How were people employed when these people where paying a 70% rate in 60's-80's?

Because they never paid 70% tax rates. That is why numbnutz. Why? Because of loopholes\deductions. It would make more sense to keep the current rate where it is and simplify the tax code and close loopholes\clamp down on deductions. But that doesnt play well with the class warfare the administration is hell bent on pretending to fight.

 

[buckshot24]

Instead of blaming people for being too dumb to understand conservative brilliance or blaming the media for tricking everyone, MAYBE it's worth considering the possibility that conservative ideas are either poorly argued or crap to begin with. At some point it has to be at least a bit your fault if you can't make a convincing argument for something...

Do you honestly think that the problem is that people are don't understand Republican positions and the reasoning behind them (either because the people are dumb or being tricked)? Or is it that they understand just fine and simply disagree?

I think the republicans do a shitty job in explaining conservatism. Probably because many of them aren't conservative.

It's very difficult to have an honest discussion about conservatism and I think the press does have a role to play in that.

I think conservatism is like pushing exercise and eating healthy. People like the easy way out and fast food.

 

[Zstream]

Instead of blaming people for being too dumb to understand conservative brilliance or blaming the media for tricking everyone, MAYBE it's worth considering the possibility that conservative ideas are either poorly argued or crap to begin with. At some point it has to be at least a bit your fault if you can't make a convincing argument for something...

Do you honestly think that the problem is that people are don't understand Republican positions and the reasoning behind them (either because the people are dumb or being tricked)? Or is it that they understand just fine and simply disagree?

Could it possibly be that humanity is or not willing to do what it takes to make their life better? Could it possibly be that the human body will succumb to laziness or take all they can when given the opportunity? I don't think its as easy as saying the Republican ideas are bad but rather they make the individual work harder than Democratic ideas at this point.

 

[buckshot24]

Imagine if we had a simple tax code (one page). All the tax lawyers, tax preparers and accountants could be put to real productive work. We spend so much time and money on government it's ridiculous.