Who has bought a Brand new home? *UPDATE-we agreed to purchase the house***

krunchykrome

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Has anyone bought a brand new home? One that has not even been built yet. My fiancee and I are signing a contract with a builder this coming Monday for a new home. It's customized to our liking with options we want.

It's a town home with a 1 car garage. Each townhome is part of a row of townhomes (8 in a row). They begin construction on the row of homes once all 8 have been sold. From my understanding, 6 have been sold already, 1 more is scheduled to be sold on Sunday, and we are purchasing the last one on Monday.

The builder has given us an estimated completion/move-in date. I understand that weather conditions may postpone a completion date slightly. But my main concerns are the econcomic conditions that may put the builder in a position to delay construction. Has anyone faced this worry before?

***06/28/08 UPDATE***

I just found this out last night, and now I'm not sure I want to move forward with this purchase. The builder cannot give me an exact completion/settlement date. The estimated date is Nov-08 to Dec-08, but nothing is written in stone. I just found out that we can't lock in our interest rate until 2 months before settlement. I have no idea when settlement is; it could be this December, or it could be next year. We face the risk of increased mortgage interest rates, and we can't lock in any rate until the house is finished at an "unknown date". Two things: 1, the interest rate could rise, as analysts are predicting. Or 2, rates could drop as they have historically in the winter months.

I'm thinking about pulling out of this purchase now. It's like agreeing to purchase a house with a blindfold on. I have no idea what interest rate we'll be able to lock in once we commit.

***07/01/08 UPDATE***

Well, we purchased the house. We went in yesterday and signed all the papers and put our initial deposit down. We went through every feature and customized it to our liking. Although the sales rep explained every piece of paper we signed, my fiancee signed every paper without entirely reading it. I read each contract/paper, and signed everything, which was essentially a one-sided contract with the buyer bearing all of the risk. We got to meet our neighbors as they stopped by to drop off some papers. They were nice people; I wonder what they do for a living and whether or not they're married. Anyways, all 8 townhomes in the row have been sold and construction is scheduled to begin at the end of this month (July). Estimated completion/move-in is scheduled to be mid-November.

Now that it's all over, I am getting excited. It's a brick townhome with a 1 car garage and a driveway. We have cherry hardwood floors through the living room/main floor/kitchen. We have stainless steel appliances, granite counter tops, and an island in the kitchen. Recessed lighting is going to be placed through the whole house. Those are the main upgrades we purchased. We are purchasing our refrigerator separatly, and the house does not come with a deck. I'll have the deck built at a later time.

Now all I can do is wait.
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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Is selling all 8 before building a common practice?

It almost seems like a way to pressure someone into it - "We need to get this done quickly because 6 are waiting on it right now, with 1 more signing in a day"

Just sounds a little odd to me, but I guess I haven't spent as much time as others in this kind of thing.
 

TheKub

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Originally posted by: krunchykrome
But my main concerns are the econcomic conditions that may put the builder in a position to delay construction.

In the current economic conditions I would be more worried about cut corners and cheap materials rather than delays.
 

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We bought a new construction in May of '01. About a month before we closed we found out that our builder went bankrupt and stopped all construction.

Lucky for us another company with a very reputable history bought out the original builder and cleaned up all liens against the home before closing.

Not a fun time. But it all worked out in the end.
 

rivan

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By townhome, I assume you mean it's a shared structure? A condo-sort of thing?

I'd be worried buying anything unbuilt these days; most builders are under tremendous financial strain, burdened by current inventory. If you give them your money and they go insolvent before finishing your home, you stand to lose a whole mess of cash. Sure, you might be able to recover a portion of it over time, but it won't be paying your bills in the mean time.

We've had a couple very large builders go under here recently; dozens of half-finished homes leaving lots of buyers with a serious mess on their hands.

How are they structuring your payment? % to start, balance on completion or all up front?
 

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Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Has anyone bought a brand new home. One that has not even been built for them. My fiancee and I are signing a contract with a builder this coming Monday for a new home. It's customized to our liking with options we want.

It's a town home with a 1 car garage. Each townhome is part of a row of townhomes (8 in a row). They begin construction on the row of homes once all 8 have been sold. From my understanding, 6 have been sold already, 1 more is scheduled to be sold on Sunday, and we are purchasing the last one on Monday.

The builder has given us an estimated completion/move-in date. I understand that weather conditions may postpone a completion date slightly. But my main concerns are the econcomic conditions that may put the builder in a position to delay construction. Has anyone faced this worry before?

If they've sold all 8, why would they delay construction?
And if they do delay construction randomly, what are your alternatives? Are you locked in to your purchase (I assume you placed a deposit?) Seems lame to be at their mercy when arranging housing in the interim.
 

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Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Is selling all 8 before building a common practice?

It almost seems like a way to pressure someone into it - "We need to get this done quickly because 6 are waiting on it right now, with 1 more signing in a day"

Just sounds a little odd to me, but I guess I haven't spent as much time as others in this kind of thing.

My wife's uncle just bought a townhouse, same thing - they don't start construction until all contiguous units are sold. It makes sense, really. They can't start framing the house until the buyer picks what options they want.
 

krunchykrome

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Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Is selling all 8 before building a common practice?

It almost seems like a way to pressure someone into it - "We need to get this done quickly because 6 are waiting on it right now, with 1 more signing in a day"

Just sounds a little odd to me, but I guess I haven't spent as much time as others in this kind of thing.

From my understanding, it was not common practice previous to this housing slump. I think builders are taking this approach now to hedge themselves against the additional risks in the market today.
 

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Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Is selling all 8 before building a common practice?

It almost seems like a way to pressure someone into it - "We need to get this done quickly because 6 are waiting on it right now, with 1 more signing in a day"

Just sounds a little odd to me, but I guess I haven't spent as much time as others in this kind of thing.

From my understanding, it was not common practice previous to this housing slump. I think builders are taking this approach now to hedge themselves against the additional risks in the market today.

What kind of a deposit did you have to put down? I'd be scared if it was only a couple grand. With the free falling housing rates, a potential buyer could maybe suck it up and take a loss on a deposit if it meant buying another home a month or two later for $10,000 less than they were paying for the current one to be built.
 

Fritzo

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Oh hell yeah. You have to keep doing incremental payoffs, deal with delays, etc. My advice:

Tour the home every few days. If something doesn't look right- SAY SOMETHING. Don't be afraid, builders make a lot of mistakes.

Take pictures of the framework, wiring, and piping. This helps with future expansion, running wires, etc.

Picture your room layout and then request phone/electrical/cable outlets where you think you'll need them. Otherwise, they'll put them where ever, and a lot of times it's not a good place.

PAINT AS SOON AS THE DRYWALL GOES UP. If you're painting your own colors, paint when they have the drywall up. If you wait, they'll put the trim up and it'll be harder to do. This way, you don't have to tape or worry about paint on the floor :)

We were 3 months past our move in date. We had trouble with the school system because we weren't moved in and bussing was required (big hassle). Good luck with the build! It's stressful but there's nothing like new house smell :)
 

krunchykrome

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Originally posted by: rivan
By townhome, I assume you mean it's a shared structure? A condo-sort of thing?

I'd be worried buying anything unbuilt these days; most builders are under tremendous financial strain, burdened by current inventory. If you give them your money and they go insolvent before finishing your home, you stand to lose a whole mess of cash. Sure, you might be able to recover a portion of it over time, but it won't be paying your bills in the mean time.

We've had a couple very large builders go under here recently; dozens of half-finished homes leaving lots of buyers with a serious mess on their hands.

How are they structuring your payment? % to start, balance on completion or all up front?

by townhome, i mean something like this

After negotiating with them, our required cash outlay is scheduled to be paid as such.

$5K due at signing of contract (monday)
remaining cash outlay paid in increments eveyr month up until "scheduled completion" which is in 6 months.
 

rivan

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Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Originally posted by: rivan
By townhome, I assume you mean it's a shared structure? A condo-sort of thing?

I'd be worried buying anything unbuilt these days; most builders are under tremendous financial strain, burdened by current inventory. If you give them your money and they go insolvent before finishing your home, you stand to lose a whole mess of cash. Sure, you might be able to recover a portion of it over time, but it won't be paying your bills in the mean time.

We've had a couple very large builders go under here recently; dozens of half-finished homes leaving lots of buyers with a serious mess on their hands.

How are they structuring your payment? % to start, balance on completion or all up front?

by townhome, i mean something like this

After negotiating with them, our required cash outlay is scheduled to be paid as such.

$5K due at signing of contract (monday)
remaining cash outlay paid in increments eveyr month up until "scheduled completion" which is in 6 months.

The link won't load for me, though that's more of a curiosity to me than anything.

If it IS a shared structure (even if it's just a single common wall), what'll happen if one or more of the 7 other buyers defaults on their contract? Does the builder have sufficient cash reserves to handle that?

Beyond that, Fritzo's suggestions are excellent, especially on the photography. Knowing what's inside the walls is a huge plus for you (and a camera on-site will keep some guys a little more on their toes).
 

MustISO

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Our first home was new construction. We knew nothing at the time, now we know SO much more. I would love to do it all again with what we know now. All in all it worked out fine. We bought at a great time and the value is still 2X more than we paid for it.
 

krunchykrome

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Originally posted by: MustISO
Our first home was new construction. We knew nothing at the time, now we know SO much more. I would love to do it all again with what we know now. All in all it worked out fine. We bought at a great time and the value is still 2X more than we paid for it.

and what do you know now that you would have liked to know then?
 

Fritzo

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Originally posted by: savoyboy
I just bought mine, 4 beds, 2 baths,1600 sq ft for $200,000

Where are you at? We bought 2400 sq ft, 2/3 acre land, 2.5 baths, 4 beds for $222K. It's amazing how pricing varies from area to area.
 

Mark R

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You need to check your contract and finance agreements carefully.

Do you need a mortgage? Just because you may get a loan approved now, doesn't mean you'll get approved for a loan when the house is ready.

How is the contract worded? Is it a reservation, a contract with a get out clause (lose your downpayment) or is it a legally binding contract to pay the agreed price on teh agreed date?

If it's the latter, you could find yourself in a bit of a sticky situation: house may be 'worth' $X now, and you agree to pay. However, house is ready, housing market has deteriorated, mortgage company appraises for $X-30k. You pull out. Builder finds another buyer for $X-$35k. Builder sues you for $35k + costs.

What about the solvency of your builder? Have you made a downpayment? How do you know that the builder won't run out of cash before they finish. If they go BK half way through, don't expect your downpayment back.
 

SnipeMasterJ13

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We (read: my parents) built brand new in '92. Finding a reputable builder is key. Our house has been throw multiple tornadoes, wicked straight-line winds and baseball size hail and it's still kickin' just fine and looks new. The houses that crumble in storms are generally the cookie cutter cheaply made houses. My dad knew the builder of our house for many years beforehand, which made everything easier when it was time for a new house.

I know a large chunk of the developments are empty in my area because they were building houses so fast they couldn't keep up. Everyone's ARM loans change and they all moved. Now they are selling for cheap. With your 8 units being sold before building, I assume that would help. Take into consideration that this is a very uninformed assumption, though.
 

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Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Originally posted by: rivan
By townhome, I assume you mean it's a shared structure? A condo-sort of thing?

I'd be worried buying anything unbuilt these days; most builders are under tremendous financial strain, burdened by current inventory. If you give them your money and they go insolvent before finishing your home, you stand to lose a whole mess of cash. Sure, you might be able to recover a portion of it over time, but it won't be paying your bills in the mean time.

We've had a couple very large builders go under here recently; dozens of half-finished homes leaving lots of buyers with a serious mess on their hands.

How are they structuring your payment? % to start, balance on completion or all up front?

by townhome, i mean something like this

After negotiating with them, our required cash outlay is scheduled to be paid as such.

$5K due at signing of contract (monday)
remaining cash outlay paid in increments eveyr month up until "scheduled completion" which is in 6 months.

Where at krunchy? We're buying soon, I think, but it'll be in Northern VA and definitely not new construction :)

I have a lead-based paint pamphlet here, in fact. Haha.
 

Azurik

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Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: savoyboy
I just bought mine, 4 beds, 2 baths,1600 sq ft for $200,000

Where are you at? We bought 2400 sq ft, 2/3 acre land, 2.5 baths, 4 beds for $222K. It's amazing how pricing varies from area to area.

Wow... you guys live in the Carolinas? For $200k, you couldn't come close to what you guys have.
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: savoyboy
Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: savoyboy
I just bought mine, 4 beds, 2 baths,1600 sq ft for $200,000

Where are you at? We bought 2400 sq ft, 2/3 acre land, 2.5 baths, 4 beds for $222K. It's amazing how pricing varies from area to area.

Aryhona

Yet, you're a cop in Mexico.
 

krunchykrome

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Originally posted by: sjwaste
Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Originally posted by: rivan
By townhome, I assume you mean it's a shared structure? A condo-sort of thing?

I'd be worried buying anything unbuilt these days; most builders are under tremendous financial strain, burdened by current inventory. If you give them your money and they go insolvent before finishing your home, you stand to lose a whole mess of cash. Sure, you might be able to recover a portion of it over time, but it won't be paying your bills in the mean time.

We've had a couple very large builders go under here recently; dozens of half-finished homes leaving lots of buyers with a serious mess on their hands.

How are they structuring your payment? % to start, balance on completion or all up front?

by townhome, i mean something like this

After negotiating with them, our required cash outlay is scheduled to be paid as such.

$5K due at signing of contract (monday)
remaining cash outlay paid in increments eveyr month up until "scheduled completion" which is in 6 months.

Where at krunchy? We're buying soon, I think, but it'll be in Northern VA and definitely not new construction :)

I have a lead-based paint pamphlet here, in fact. Haha.

Anne Arundel County. We initially wanted to buy in Howard County because of the much better area/schools, but the homes are incredibly expensive here.
 

krunchykrome

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Originally posted by: Azurik
Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: savoyboy
I just bought mine, 4 beds, 2 baths,1600 sq ft for $200,000

Where are you at? We bought 2400 sq ft, 2/3 acre land, 2.5 baths, 4 beds for $222K. It's amazing how pricing varies from area to area.

Wow... you guys live in the Carolinas? For $200k, you couldn't come close to what you guys have.

for $200K, you can't even buy a condo here. We're moving out of this county for 5-7 years. We plan on moving back when we have kids and they're ready to go to school. By that time, we'll be able to afford a nice house in the area.
 

Capt Caveman

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I recently closed on a townhouse. I signed the P&S prior to it being built. Due to permitting and local neighborhood grievances, the completion of my unit(free standing) was delayed by 7 months. I placed a 5% deposit in escrow and did not have to put down any other money til closing, so with the delay, I was able to pull out of deal at any time and get my deposit back.

I'm curious about the monthly payments you have to make. How is that being financed? Also, is it going into escrow with the opportunity to pull-out based on a home inspection or close date is delayed?

I'm happy with my decision as I was able to customize the unit completely (added additional windows, sliding glass door to backyard, completely redesigned kitchen, etc). I did have to go onsite several times a week to make decisions and supervise the work.
 

Rage187

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we built with Centex who would sell 8 lots at a time and then start the building process.

it saves them time and money when the houses are all at the same step in the building process. You only have to get the plumber out there so many times as he can go house to house. I'm guessing the same holds more true for townhouses.


edit: we built in 2006, 3 bedrooms 2.5 baths 1700 sqft on .10 of an acre
 

sjwaste

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Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Anne Arundel County. We initially wanted to buy in Howard County because of the much better area/schools, but the homes are incredibly expensive here.

Anne Arundel has some nice areas, though, congrats. I had a colleague at my last job who had a TH in Annapolis. Nice place, theatre setup in the basement.

I was personally hoping you weren't going to come back and say PG County :) I think I would've offered you a couch instead at that point. Haha.