Who Gives The Most?

[monovillage]

no, not at all. Say whatever the fuck you want, just don't be surprised when I and others come down on you like a sack of bricks for such ignorance--expressing our own rights to call racists out like the cunts they are.


HOWEVER--you want to try and legislate bigotry--that's an entirely different matter.

There seems to be this fundamental disconnect with the people of "oppressive faith," that whenever they get stopped in their blatant attempts to legislate their faith, they take it as discrimination.

Not a single god damn person is saying you can't stand out on your puplit and say what you think (unless you're in the UK), but as soon as you try to put your faith shit in my science room or influence laws in such a manner, we will have a problem.

It is sad that you guys can't see this very obvious difference. Then again, none of you seem to understand the Constitution very well.

Nor do you seem to care that your clubs haven't been paying taxes for centuries, but think that you deserve all the same protections that government gives other taxpaying businesses.

Dude, where did I say I want to legislate bigotry? Take a few breaths, calm down, the world is your friend. Ok now? Sorry I upset you.

 

[hal2kilo]

Funny, the only bigotry I see is coming from the people from the left that are shitting on Mormons.

Other than this local forum, what public liberal/democratic people have made any statements positive or negative about Romney's religion.

 

[Fern]

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I'm kind of offended that they don't mention Dr. Paul because he has given the most. He delivered many babies for free and others at a reduced price. In addition, he's given more money back to the tax payer than any other person in history.

If I read the article correctly they really couldn't mention RP's charitable giving because he hasn't released his tax returns. If so, what can they do?

I've also heard about his charitable actions as a physician. However, those wouldn't show up on a tax return so they could not be quantified and discussed unfortunately. (Donation of your time is not deductible and therefor wouldn't appear on a tax return.)

Fern

 

[Fern]

It's nice to see that both Obama and Romney donate sizeable amounts of their income to charities of their choice.

But I'm getting the impression the real point of this thread is to bash Mormons. I'm not a Mormon, but I think that's shameful.

Fern

 

[xBiffx]

Other than this local forum, what public liberal/democratic people have made any statements positive or negative about Romney's religion.

Perhaps reading the whole thread might clue you in as to where I was directing this.

 

[trenchfoot]

If Romney wins and runs against Obama, I can see where his Mormon faith and family history will be microscopically dissected by some of the Super PAC's that Citizens United unleashed. From what I've already seen and heard about Romney and his family history, there's a lot of red meat to chew on.

The Rev. Wright spin that Obama weathered on his way to victory is small pickings compared to what Romney may get whacked with.

On topic, I have no issue with Romney's faith. He is faithful to his church, he is strong in his beliefs and I respect him for that.

If the Repubs insist on continuing to make religion an issue in November and Romney is their candidate, it looks like that strategy is going to backfire on them badly. A Mormon Repub vs. a Christian Dem? Awkward to say the least.

 

[zinfamous]

Perhaps reading the whole thread might clue you in as to where I was directing this.

You're probably thoroughly confused.

yes--It's probably true that people here, both liberals and conservatives, don't like him because he's mormon.

But for me, and I think a few others, any comments directed at his mormonism are simply to point out the fact that the GOP will never rally around him simply because of his mormonism. I take that as a general criticism of the GOP--and not the fact that he his mormon.

I've got no real love for any fringe christian sect, including mormonism--though as mentioned, I have much respect for their charity, so it's hard to consider them as any lower than the worthless southern baptists that have a vice grip on the GOP conscience--but any criticism I ever shed towards Romney and his faith has to do with the fact that his own faith-driven party tends to hate him squarely on the fact of his faith.



hell, these are the same people that tolerated liberals like Bush 1 and Reagan, so you know "heathenry" is the absolute sin that they will not accept, despite the face they want to present.

 

[davmat787]

Zin, I get what you are saying, I do. But have you read anything, or can point to anything, in regards to your assertion that Romney's faith will be a big problem with the southern evangelicals? Let's say he gets the nod come the convention, do you really think someone of the religious right would not vote for Romney over Obama?

In short, I read a lot of comments that them southern folk hate Romney due to him being Mormon, I just haven't seen anything material to that effect. Could simply be my fault of course.

 

[zinfamous]

Zin, I get what you are saying, I do. But have you read anything, or can point to anything, in regards to your assertion that Romney's faith will be a big problem with the southern evangelicals? Let's say he gets the nod come the convention, do you really think someone of the religious right would not vote for Romney over Obama?

In short, I read a lot of comments that them southern folk hate Romney due to him being Mormon, I just haven't seen anything material to that effect. Could simply be my fault of course.

Nothing concrete, really--just my family and their pal-ios in the deep south--the South Carolinians and the various neighbors that my father has to deal with in Northern Florida.

According to them, Mormons are, well, certainly not christians, and certainly not presidential material.

but will these people vote for him over Obama? Probably. I do think they hate black people and "potential muslims" more than they hate wasp mormons.

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....this is simply based on the words from their mouths, mind you.

 

[davmat787]

Nothing concrete, really--just my family and their pal-ios in the deep south--the South Carolinians and the various neighbors that my father has to deal with in Northern Florida.

According to them, Mormons are, well, certainly not christians, and certainly not presidential material.

but will these people vote for him over Obama? Probably. I do think they hate black people and "potential muslims" more than they hate wasp mormons.

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....this is simply based on the words from their mouths, mind you.

Yea, I think it probably comes down to what they are saying: mormons aren't real Christians, but Obamas sins (closest Muslim socialist from Kenya and rhymes w/ Osama) are worse so... yea.

Of course, they probably all think you are one of them gays since you fly back to the Bay area after visiting.