Who Gives The Most?

[Rainsford]

Seems BHO bumped around the 0-5% range until he ran for prez. Then it was 6% when he made almost a million bucks.

Meh - seems the OP wants to mislead people into thinking BHO believes in charity when it's clear he didn't give much until he made oodles from his little book.

You say that like it's a bad thing to give money to charity when you can afford to. I feel like it's a significant point in Romney's favor that he donates so much to charity and the same goes for Obama.

Certainly donating money when you don't have much yourself is an extra level of admirable. But it seems silly to say someone doesn't believe in charity when they donate a lot to charity...maybe they just don't believe in it as strongly as some others do. Or maybe you're just unwilling to grant that Obama ever does anything good?

 

[monovillage]

you're no fun.


you know that, right?

I bet you didn't know it was from Treasure Island did you? lsned for me also

 

[CADsortaGUY]

You say that like it's a bad thing to give money to charity when you can afford to. I feel like it's a significant point in Romney's favor that he donates so much to charity and the same goes for Obama.

Certainly donating money when you don't have much yourself is an extra level of admirable. But it seems silly to say someone doesn't believe in charity when they donate a lot to charity...maybe they just don't believe in it as strongly as some others do. Or maybe you're just unwilling to grant that Obama ever does anything good?

Nope, just pointing out that it's not exactly as simple as the OP attempts to portray it. One has to look at the history and motivation not just the dollars. It looks to me like BHO didn't do much before and he made pretty decent money, it's only when politics entered in and the fat checks came rolling in that he gave a bigger percentage. So, to credit him for the percentage now must be contextualized instead of just a snapshot.

 

[Ausm]

We've seen the sermons and rantings and ravings of that racist Wright, and we know he was a mentor, confidant and pastor to obummer. Sorry, nothing to debunk. Now please show me any indication that Romney is in any way associated with racism or racists, as perk implies in his smear.

Who is "WE"?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Good to see the usual right wing trolls are still flying their bigotry flag proudly.

 

[xBiffx]

Good to see the usual right wing trolls are still flying their bigotry flag proudly.

Funny, the only bigotry I see is coming from the people from the left that are shitting on Mormons.

 

[child of wonder]

I called him a parrot.

Considering I know more about Mormonism in my little pinky finger than you probably do, I think I'm qualified to make a statement regarding its validity.

Being informed does not equal bigotry.

 

[monovillage]

Considering I know more about Mormonism in my little pinky finger than you probably do, I think I'm qualified to make a statement regarding its validity.

Being informed does not equal bigotry.

In case you haven't noticed about half the threads on the front page of this forum deal with religion of one kind or another. It's my opinion and one i've stated here before that the religious bigotry that is so rampant in these forums needs to be throttled down a bit.

 

[child of wonder]

In case you haven't noticed about half the threads on the front page of this forum deal with religion of one kind or another. It's my opinion and one i've stated here before that the religious bigotry that is so rampant in these forums needs to be throttled down a bit.

Disagreeing with a religion and recognizing that it's a fraud is not bigotry.

There is documented proof that Mormonism is fake. Look up information about the Book of Abraham and the Kinderhook Plates for starters. Then you can also read about the church's long history of changing its core doctrines in the face of political pressure, such as its stance on polygamy and blacks, or how the church's core practices and rituals so closely mirror those of the Freemasons, of whom Joseph Smith was a member prior to creating Mormonism.

Criticism is not bigotry. Making hateful statements based on uninformed opinions, incorrect, or misleading information IS.

 

[zinfamous]

Funny, the only bigotry I see is coming from the people from the left that are shitting on Mormons.

funny, I never figured the Gingbats and Santorum fans to be of the leftwing persuasion.

learn something ever day...or, well, in your case: refuse to learn anything every day.

:\

 

[zinfamous]

In case you haven't noticed about half the threads on the front page of this forum deal with religion of one kind or another. It's my opinion and one i've stated here before that the religious bigotry that is so rampant in these forums needs to be throttled down a bit.

religious bigotry. now I've heard it all.

so, speech needs to be toned down a bit? people shouldn't be allowed to say what they think because you disagree with it?

are you sure you're into this whole "America is great!" thing?

:hmm:

 

[davmat787]

without reading I'm going to go with Mormons.

They tend to give the most out of any group/community.

This.

No religion is perfect of course, but the few Mormons / Mormon families I have known were all extremely nice, outgoing, professional, etc. Plus, don't Mormons actually go out for two years on missions helping others and fishing for noobs? I seem to recall reading once just how much charity they actually are involved in, especially in Africa, Asia, and South America.

Its not like them Mormons have an Inquisition, mistreatment of women, and centuries of violence in their history.

 

[monovillage]

religious bigotry. now I've heard it all.

so, speech needs to be toned down a bit? people shouldn't be allowed to say what they think because you disagree with it?

are you sure you're into this whole "America is great!" thing?

:hmm:

I'm sure you feel the same way about racial bigotry too.

 

[Rainsford]

Nope, just pointing out that it's not exactly as simple as the OP attempts to portray it. One has to look at the history and motivation not just the dollars. It looks to me like BHO didn't do much before and he made pretty decent money, it's only when politics entered in and the fat checks came rolling in that he gave a bigger percentage. So, to credit him for the percentage now must be contextualized instead of just a snapshot.

Motivation is hard to judge though, isn't it? Obama's increase in wealth and his rise in politics happened at pretty much the same time. Maybe he's doing it for political reasons, or maybe he just didn't have the means before. Either way, it's hard to look down too much on someone giving a ton of money to charity. And I feel the same way about Romney. The fact that he can easily afford it doesn't mean he doesn't earn some good guy points by doing so. Of course Romney never had a "pre-rich" phase to judge, so the comparison is even more difficult.

Edit: I do agree though, context matters to some extent. It's "easier" for rich people to give away a ton to charity than poorer folks, even as a percentage of income. Either way, I view it as a good thing.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

If a Muslim were really running you can bet he'd be asked, repeatedly and in depth, where he stood on the more "murderous/primitive" interpretations of his religion.

I don't personally think Romney ever really thought blacks were mud people, forever cursed. At least, I certainly hope not.

But to my knowledge, he's never even been ASKED!! What does this tell you about the vigor and objectivity of our "free press?"

A not unsizable portion of our electorate still actively thinks Obama is a radical Muslim even though its complete and utter BS, while everyone seems to give Romney's more factual religious affiliation and any implications thereof a huge berth, as if that's off limits.

Why is that, Haya?

Why would they ask him? The only members of the media that accuse Obama of being a Muslim are GOP/right-wing trolls AFAIK. Is your whole point that Michael Savage and friends aren't fair-minded individuals? Because you don't really make that point in the op at all.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Funny, the only bigotry I see is coming from the people from the left that are shitting on Mormons.

Then you either have reading comprehension problems, or selective ignorance. Take your pick.

 

[Ausm]

Then you wither have reading comprehension problems, or selective ignorance. TAke your pick.

I think you are correct on both accounts!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Then you either have reading comprehension problems, or selective ignorance. Take your pick.

I'm not sure what you mean. Perhaps you'll clarify.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

I'm not sure what you mean. Perhaps you'll clarify.

Did you read the first page of this thread? It should be obvious.

 

[xBiffx]

funny, I never figured the Gingbats and Santorum fans to be of the leftwing persuasion.

learn something ever day...or, well, in your case: refuse to learn anything every day.

:\

Wrong on both counts.

 

[xBiffx]

Then you either have reading comprehension problems, or selective ignorance. Take your pick.

I can read fine and if there is any bigotry to be had in this thread then it is against Mormons or a particular Mormon. But go on troll who tried to paint right wing trolls with bigotry here. I see no bigotry at all coming from the right in this case. I do see people disparaging an entire religion (fine if you want to call it a cult) for something that ended over 30 years ago. I do see people trying to insinuate that Romney somehow might still agree with the practice/teaching/ideology of his religion that again ended over 30 years ago. I see no one from the right that deserves to be called a bigot here. Of course you were just trolling and nothing will be done about that, especially given your stance.

 

[zinfamous]

This.

No religion is perfect of course, but the few Mormons / Mormon families I have known were all extremely nice, outgoing, professional, etc. Plus, don't Mormons actually go out for two years on missions helping others and fishing for noobs? I seem to recall reading once just how much charity they actually are involved in, especially in Africa, Asia, and South America.

Its not like them Mormons have an Inquisition, mistreatment of women, and centuries of violence in their history.

Yeah, I certainly disagree with the hilariousness of their faith, but they are an extremely charitable organization. They tend to be the "first responders" or any major disaster. It's actually a very well-organized, stocked, and capable disaster-response system that they have.

There was a rather fascinating 3-part Front Line doc about them a few years ago, and I believe they have a few large warehouses that are always fully stocked, and whenever a disaster occurs, they can have a plane in the air within hours.

Quite impressive. I honestly don't give a rat's ass if a guy like Romney gives several millions of dollars to efforts like this.

 

[Vic Vega]

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[zinfamous]

I'm sure you feel the same way about racial bigotry too.

no, not at all. Say whatever the fuck you want, just don't be surprised when I and others come down on you like a sack of bricks for such ignorance--expressing our own rights to call racists out like the cunts they are.


HOWEVER--you want to try and legislate bigotry--that's an entirely different matter.

There seems to be this fundamental disconnect with the people of "oppressive faith," that whenever they get stopped in their blatant attempts to legislate their faith, they take it as discrimination.

Not a single god damn person is saying you can't stand out on your puplit and say what you think (unless you're in the UK), but as soon as you try to put your faith shit in my science room or influence laws in such a manner, we will have a problem.

It is sad that you guys can't see this very obvious difference. Then again, none of you seem to understand the Constitution very well.

Nor do you seem to care that your clubs haven't been paying taxes for centuries, but think that you deserve all the same protections that government gives other taxpaying businesses.

 

[zinfamous]

Wrong on both counts.

You honestly think the left (not that we have "a left" in this country) has more problems with his mormonism than does the GOP?

wow.

here's a hint: the "religion hating left" that you seem to think exists, shouldn't really care what his religion is, right? they are all equally useless, aren't they?

it's the fundies that influence the GOP that truly believe in things like "heresy" and "heathens." And one man of one Christian sect--Romney--is somehow less Christian to another man of some equally cultish Christian sect--Falwell or Robertson.