Who exactly are the Palestinians???

[swayinOtis]

I'm trying to understand this Palestine thing but don't have all the facts. Who are they and how are they different from the Jews and the Arabs? They have the West Bank and Gaza Strip so what do they want exactly?

Did you know Arafat was born in Cairo? How does that make him a Palestinian, whatever that is?

Help me out.

 

[Czar]

Who are they and how are they different from the Jews and the Arabs?
- They are the people who lived in Israel before Israel was given independance. They were either driven away by Israeli forces or lefton their own free will for promise of home in other Arab countries, stories differ, not sure. Different, not at all, they are Arabs.

They have the West Bank and Gaza Strip so what do they want exactly?
- They live in refugee camps there, they are not an independant country but occupied by Israel. They want their own country.

I'm sure alot of members will correct my post wether I posted something wrong or not

 

[Russ]

Now that Czar has barfed up his pro terrorist BS, here's the truth:



<< There is no such thing as a Palestinian Arab nation . . . Palestine is a name the Romans gave to Eretz Yisrael with the express purpose of infuriating the Jews . . . . Why should we use the spiteful name meant to humiliate us?

"The British chose to call the land they mandated Palestine, and the Arabs picked it up as their nation's supposed ancient name, though they couldn't even pronounce it correctly and turned it into Falastin a fictional entity."

-- Golda Meir..
Jerusalem Post, 25 November 1995 >>



Palestine had never existed as an autonomous entity.

There is no language known as Palestinian.

There is no distinct Palestinian culture.

There had never been a land known as Palestine
governed by Palestinians.

Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians
(another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Czar]

<< Palestine had never existed as an autonomous entity.

There is no language known as Palestinian.

There is no distinct Palestinian culture.

There had never been a land known as Palestine
governed by Palestinians.

Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians
(another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.

Russ, NCNE >>


gawd you are a bit daft arent you

 

[Czar]

http://www.palestine-un.org/info/hist.html
The history of Palestine





<< History of Palestine

Palestine is one of the most ancient homelands of humankind. There is evidence that Palestine was inhabited almost two hundred thousand years ago.

With the beginning of the Middle Stone Age (Mesolithic period) circa 12,000 BC, humans in Palestine began to raise animals, to farm and produce handcrafts. For example, the skull of a dog, a picture of a bull carved into a bone and a sculpted piece of human skull, all dating back to that period, were found in the caves of Carmel.

Around 7000 BC, Jericho became the first place in Palestine where humans built dwellings for themselves and they also built a ten-meter high wall surround the city. Thus Jericho is considered to be the oldest continuously inhabited city on earth. Farming and animal breeding began there and stability characterized the area for more than a thousand years before they Mesopotamia-Somer (Iraq). The craft of pottery began in Jericho around 5000 BC, spreading from there to the rest of Palestine and Syria.

In several Palestinian cities, numerous artifacts from the Metallic Stone Age (c.4000 BC) were found, including in the city of Megiddo, where the oldest types of decorated pottery were discovered. In Beisan, excavations in 1921 and 1922 at ?Tel Al-Hesn? led to the discovery of an accumulated series of ruins of ancient cities, mounting to 18 layers, with the lower layers dating back to 4000 BC and the upper layers to the Middle Ages.

Around 5000 BC, the first wave of Semitic migrations began and by the end of the fourth millennium BC and the beginning of the third millennium, the Semites had left the desert towards Iraq. The Akkadians settled in the south and the Assyrians in the north. The Semites are one of the three lineages of which the white race in today?s world is traced back to, and the Arabian Peninsula is considered the original homeland of the Semitic race.

While already inhabited by people before recorded history, Palestine was subjected to a large influx of Semites from the Arabian Peninsula in the beginning of the 3rd millennium. This was known as the ?Amorite Canaanite?, which increased around 2500 BC when the Amorites migrated to Greater Syria, to its southeastern parts (Transjordan), and the Canaanites to the coast, southwestern parts (Palestine). As such, the country was named after them ? the land of Canaan ? which is the oldest name given to our country, Palestine. The Canaanites ruled for nearly 1500 years. >>



it goes on and on and on up to 1908 there, more info on the site

 

[Russ]

<< gawd you are a bit daft arent you >>



In the pro terrorist dictionary, "daft" is defined as factual? Come on, peacenik, prove I'm wrong.

Russ, NCNE

 

[swayinOtis]

<< Palestine had never existed as an autonomous entity.

There is no language known as Palestinian.

There is no distinct Palestinian culture.

There had never been a land known as Palestine
governed by Palestinians.

Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians
(another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.

Russ, NCNE >>



Russ, I remember reading that a while ago. Thanks for refreshing my memory. I guess ethnically they are Jordanians, or other Arabs.

Czar, was that mandate supposed to create two states, one Jewish (Israeli) and one Arab (Palestinian), and if so, how did Isreal become a country and not Palestine?

 

[Random Variable]

Between 1922 and 1947, the Jewish people living in the region were called "the Palestinians." The current Palestinians adopted the name after the 1967 war.

 

[Czar]

Proove you wrong erm ok

Palestine had never existed as an autonomous entity.
- because they have been ruled by an outside party at least since the ottoman empire took them over

There is no language known as Palestinian.
- is that a reqirement to become a "people"? so americans aint a "people" because they are speaking english?

There is no distinct Palestinian culture.
- Same as above

There had never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians.
- Read link in previos post

 

[Czar]

<< Czar, was that mandate supposed to create two states, one Jewish (Israeli) and one Arab (Palestinian), and if so, how did Isreal become a country and not Palestine? >>


Yes I think so
Maps
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/qpal/pal_maps.htm
I found the mandate on the page there somewhere a while ago, its a very very very long read

 

[Russ]

Czar,

Try coming up with something, ANYTHING, not copied and pasted from a pro-terrorist site.

Here, see, I can do it too!



<< THE HISTORY OF PALESTINE

Thousands of years before the Romans invented "Palastina" the land had been known as "Canaan". The Canaanites had many tiny city-states, each one at times independent and at times a vassal of an Egyptian or Hittite king. The Canaanites never united into a state. After the Exodus from Egypt probably in the Thirteenth Century BCE but perhaps earlier -- , the Children of Israel settled in the land of Canaan. There they formed first a tribal confederation, and then the biblical kingdoms of Israel and Judah, and the post-biblical kingdom of Judea.

From the beginning of history to this day, Israel-Judah-Judea has the only united, independent, sovereign nation-state that ever existed in "Palestine" west of the Jordan River. (In biblical times, Ammon, Moab and Edom as well as Israel had land east of the Jordan, but they disappeared in antiquity and no other nation took their place until the British invented Trans-Jordan in the 1920s.)

After the Roman conquest of Judea, "Palastina" became a province of the pagan Roman Empire and then of the Christian Byzantine Empire, and very briefly of the Zoroastrian Persian Empire. In 638 CE, an Arab-Muslim Caliph took Palastina away from the Byzantine Empire and made it part of an Arab-Muslim Empire. The Arabs, who had no name of their own for this region, adopted the Greco-Roman name Palastina, that they pronounced "Falastin".

In that period, much of the mixed population of Palastina was forced to convert to Islam and adopted the Arabic language. They were subjects of a distant Caliph who ruled them from his capital, that was first in Damascus and later in Baghdad. They did not become a nation or an independent state, or develop a distinct society or culture.

In 1099, Christian Crusaders from Europe conquered Palestina-Falastin. After 1099, it was never again under Arab rule. The Christian Crusader kingdom was politically independent, but never developed a national identity. It remained a military outpost of Christian Europe, and lasted less than 100 years. Thereafter, Palestine was joined to Syria as a subject province first of the Mameluks, ethnically mixed slave-warriors whose center was in Egypt, and then of the Ottoman Turks, whose capital was in Istanbul.

During the First World War, the British took Palestine from the Ottoman Turks. At the end of the war, the Ottoman Empire collapsed and among its subject provinces "Palestine" was assigned to the British, to govern temporarily as a mandate from the League of Nations. >>



The bottom line is that Palestine is NOT a country, and it's inhabitants, NOT a race. It is a political construct, and nothing more.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Czar]

<< Try coming up with something, ANYTHING, not copied and pasted from a pro-terrorist site. >>


so the UN is pro-terrorist since they run the site?

 

[XMan]

<< There is no language known as Palestinian.
- is that a reqirement to become a "people"? so americans aint a "people" because they are speaking english?
>>



That's a silly statement, even for you, Czar, considering that most languages are derived from root languages such as Latin.

But I'm sure anyone from the United Kingdom would tell you that American English is far different from that of Britain.

 

[Russ]

<< so the UN is pro-terrorist since they run the site? >>



The UN, just like you, is blatantly and blindly anti-Israel.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Dually]

<<

<< Try coming up with something, ANYTHING, not copied and pasted from a pro-terrorist site. >>


so the UN is pro-terrorist since they run the site? >>



O Oh, looks like someone got told.

 

[Czar]

Xerox Man
It was supposed to sound silly, just to make his point sound silly also.
They even make dictionaries to translate from american english to brittish english

 

[Squisher]

Czar, are you also saying there is no distinct American Culture?

 

[swayinOtis]

The thing that still confuses me is the ethnic difference between the Jews and the Palestinians. If they both came from the same land (including their ancestors) what makes them different, their religion? Ethnically they must be the same.

I would still like to know how Isreal got statehood and Palestine didn't. And hasn't Isreal offered autonomy to the Palestinians before?

 

[Czar]

<<

<< so the UN is pro-terrorist since they run the site? >>



The UN, just like you, is blatantly and blindly anti-Israel.

Russ, NCNE >>


hmmm... so where do you actually stand? you are clearly on the far far far right of the political scale, unless you can tell us otherwise

 

[Czar]

Squisher,
no, I'm trying to say that a totaly different culture is not a reqirement to be called a "people"

 

[Russ]

<< If they both came from the same land (including their ancestors) what makes them different, their religion? >>



That, and politics.



<< I would still like to know how Isreal got statehood and Palestine didn't. >>



Because the Jews are a real people, and the Palestinians are a political fabrication.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Czar]

swayinOtis,
From what I understand is that Israelis are mostly immigrants from all over the world that started gathering in greater numbers around 1900, the Palestinians are mostly immigrants from the arab countries. So there is quite alot of cultural difference between them, along with the obvios religous difference.
There was a social studdy done last year that involved dna testing on all the people in the middle east and they found out that racialy they are all the same race, just different cultures and relions.

 

[Russ]

<< hmmm... so where do you actually stand? >>



Against terrorists and murderers. In other words, Czar, on the opposite end of the issue from you.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Czar]

<<

<< hmmm... so where do you actually stand? >>



Against terrorists and murderers. In other words, Czar, on the opposite end of the issue from you.

Russ, NCNE >>


But still you support murders on the palestinians and you are against the UN and Amnesty International who both are working against terrorism and murderers.... so where do you stand?

 

[etech]

"I would still like to know how Isreal got statehood and Palestine didn't."

A very short and condensed version.

On the day the British left, Israel declared itself a country and asked for recognition. The Palestinians with Egypt, Transjordan and Syria? attacked the new country. At the end of it all, Egypt and ? occupied the land that was allocated to the 'Palestinians'. There was little outcry then about the other Arab countries occupying their land. Then in 1967 Egypt was getting ready to attack Israel. Israel launched a preemptive attack and in a move that shocked the world kicked the Arab countries collective butts. Israel has given back much of the land that they occupied in that and the 78 war but have held on to parts for security reasons.

In short the Palestinians and Arabs have been worrying to much about how to kick the Jews off of their continent to have time to bother setting up a country for the Palestinians. They had their chance back in 48 and blew it.