Who else is dealing with taxes after enrolling in the Afforable Healthcare Scam?

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phucheneh

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I doubt it. Not like they weren't just selling insurance to people anyways. Now, they're probably like "fuck yes, the dumb fucks bought it, indefinite money train bitches!"

At first, I was having a hard time deciding whether it was the healthcare companies or simply the wealthy in general who were profitting from this. Then I realized that it was both. Turns out Fox News had it right: the redistribution of wealth is real.

Unfortunately, it's from the middle (and 'lower middle') -class gen X/Y'ers, 'trickling up' to corporate shareholders. The government couldn't take care of the elderly, and employers didn't want to have to foot any of the bill for their soon-to-be-elderly employees...so, hey, fuck it, let's just take this hopeless generation of people born into financial slavery and REALLY whip the piss out of them. I'm sure they can afford the charity...and they can just pay it directly to private companies; but we'll call it 'government healthcare.' BRILLIANT!

Not to get too political, but...I had such high hopes for Obama...and it turns out, he's a cartoon supervillain.
 

Bock

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You guys do know that if you don't qualify for a refund or you owe taxes before assessing the penalty; the IRS can't collect on it right? No need for exemptions, it's in the law.
 

mrjminer

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Maybe it's the alcohol, but... I'm not following how your statement relates to mind. :confused:

Taxpayer subsidized healthcare with high ass deductibles for the people that would presumably have no option other than sign up for it.

You are also going to see health insurance like car insurance in the future, if it isn't already on there: "Don't worry, we will definite supply you with the federal mandated minimum coverage required by law!"
 

destrekor

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In other words, you're paying health insurance like a big portion of us.

Who, me?

Of course, my insurance isn't free. I pay for it every month. It's not like Tricare for full-time active duty, which is included in service, mine is a full-on insurance, and is treated like a private insurance as opposed to typical government insurances like Medicare.

Taxpayer subsidized healthcare with high ass deductibles for the people that would presumably have no option other than sign up for it.

You are also going to see health insurance like car insurance in the future, if it isn't already on there: "Don't worry, we will definite supply you with the federal mandated minimum coverage required by law!"

Frankly, I've been rooting for state-controlled, auto-insurance-style health insurance. There is too much waste in the industry, and cut-throat companies will help control rising premiums from the better companies. It won't be perfect, but it would be a hell of a lot better than things are today.

My insurance is actually pretty damn good, all things considered. It could be better, but I'd probably have to pay 2x-4x as much every month, so out of pocket expenses really equalize. And there are a number of included mental health appointments without any out of pocket fees, which is fantastic.
While I don't have simple co-payments for basic health visits, and have bills based on percentages or whatnot after-the-fact, it still would work in my favor based on my health and unforeseen circumstances. I rarely need doctor visits, and many of my "necessary" visits are actually scheduled and paid for through the Reserve, so they don't even touch my personal insurance. And if I need things, basic visits don't cost much in the end, and if things go horribly wrong with my health, I have a catastrophic cap that's pretty low ($1200?), which, if I understand the literature correctly, means that after that dollar amount (out of pocket), all necessary services/bills are 100% covered (this being obviously intended for, "oh shit, I broke a few things..." or an appendectomy or something, most of those end up having high out of pocket costs.
You could say it's taxpayer, but... realize how many pay into even this affordable system, considering it's a military service. Think of the ages. Sure, you got the old folks and those itching to retire, but a ton of young folk. Some pregnant, some morbidly obese and yet somehow still in the service, but for the most part, young and, if not fit, at least moderately healthy. Not everyone gets it, they sign up and pay for it - so no idea what the statistics are for who signs up. Ignoring all of that, it's still tied into military service. There's a taxpayer component of that, and yes, there is a ton of waste in the military, holy shit is there ever, but taking care of troops is a very small part of the DoD bill. Maintaining health, rather than fixing it after the fact, is also ideally the goal that helps ensure there are less-costly healthcare services in the field, and to help ensure there are enough healthy and fit enough to even deploy when needed (which, logistically, isn't just a total numbers game, it's also how many can go that are in a very specific unit with a specific job function).
 
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mrjminer

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Who, me?

Of course, my insurance isn't free. I pay for it every month. It's not like Tricare for full-time active duty, which is included in service, mine is a full-on insurance, and is treated like a private insurance as opposed to typical government insurances like Medicare.



Frankly, I've been rooting for state-controlled, auto-insurance-style health insurance. There is too much waste in the industry, and cut-throat companies will help control rising premiums from the better companies. It won't be perfect, but it would be a hell of a lot better than things are today.

My insurance is actually pretty damn good, all things considered. It could be better, but I'd probably have to pay 2x-4x as much every month, so out of pocket expenses really equalize. And there are a number of included mental health appointments without any out of pocket fees, which is fantastic.

Yea, I am starting a job in a week that covers premiums, and it's pretty good. Psych is included if I ever choose to go, which I may do for the first time now that I have insurance :D
 
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Spungo

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Not to get too political, but...I had such high hopes for Obama...and it turns out, he's a cartoon supervillain.

Join the club. I got a letter saying my insurance cost was doubling, so I ended up cancelling it. Now I have no insurance and I get a fine. This is why the middle class is dying. Speaking of which, home ownership in the US just hit a 20 year low. link. I voted for Obama in 2008, I didn't vote in 2012, and I might be in Canada by 2016. I already live pretty damn close to Canada. I hear they actually have something resembling a middle class.
 

Mxylplyx

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For those of you who willfully forego insurance and are not wealthy, please die before going to the hospital for treatments you don't have the ability to pay for.

Thanks,
An insured person
 

ViRGE

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1) In addition to getting no allowance for my healthcare (I paid 100%), I do not qualify for any credit on my return. This is a big WTF because of the amount I had to pay, and goes against all the dumbass claims about ACA that I have seen. Best I can tell, I either don't get shit because a) I did not buy one of the cheap plans that would have covered absolutely zero percent of my healthcare for the year (100% OOP for any doctor visit, prescription, ect) and/or b) because I didn't pay into the insurer's profits for the first few months of the year, my healthcare costs are regarded as 'reasonable' in comparison to my income for the year. And boy is that sure fucking stupid, since for those months, I was still spending the money, only it was going straight to doctors and pharmacies. Not like I goddamn profited from it.
The formula here is a bit complex, but basically to qualify for any tax credit on the ACA your monthly income needs to be less than a certain amount for your region, and that is based on a benchmark silver plan for your region as well. From how it sounds, you make enough that they deem you capable of affording the silver plan, hence no credit. Oh, and the plan needs to be ACA certified; I know the monthly subsidy route is relatively straightforward, but if the plan is to collect the credit at the end of the year it may be a different process.

I for one qualified for a small subsidy in 2014, but had a better-than-expected second half of the year with my income. So once my Form 1095-A arrives and I can do my taxes, I expect I'll have to pay that subsidy back.
 
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EliteRetard

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I wonder what other people are paying, I have never needed any kind of doctor or medical assistance in my life...so I've never had insurance. Now I'm forced onto this stupid health care crap and it's $110 a month (8.5% of my total income before taxes). It literally only covers emergency medical services (but specifically doesn't cover the ambulance fee), at 60% after a $5,000 deductible. There's a massive 150 page booklet of all the crap they exclude, like medical equipment, any drugs they use during/after surgery, cost of the room, etc. Basically it only covers 60% of a portion of the hourly rate for the doctors and I have to cover everything else.

I feel like I would be far better off investing the $110 (in fact, I was better off with the extra money before), since in the slim chance I need emergency care I'm going to be screwed over financially anyway.
 

sportage

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In other words, you're paying health insurance like a big portion of us.

This!

And do you drive a car? Have car insurance?
They'll get you for that too, if you don't.
And when you look at your paycheck you'll see a little thing called payroll taxes.
Most likely both state and federal.

There all out to get ya. :D

As for me, I live under a rock and feed off the leaves.
And my healthcare plan is drowning myself in the nearby ocean if I get sick.
 

DaveSimmons

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How do you feel about uninsured drivers?

Now you can't count on making me and everyone else who is insured pay your ER bill. If you were in a car crash you would be demanding health care not a pillow to the face. Declaring bankruptcy after the accident works for you but still shifts the costs to me.

Maybe we should have a debate on a "pay or die" option: before you're admitted to a hospital for any treatment, you must show that you have coverage for it or money in the bank. No funds? No treatment.
 

lxskllr

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How do you feel about uninsured drivers?

Now you can't count on making me and everyone else who is insured pay your ER bill. If you were in a car crash you would be demanding health care not a pillow to the face. Declaring bankruptcy after the accident works for you but still shifts the costs to me.

Maybe we should have a debate on a "pay or die" option: before you're admitted to a hospital for any treatment, you must show that you have coverage for it or money in the bank. No funds? No treatment.
Or maybe we can just pay what the services are really worth, and not the special 10000% cash price.
 

DaveSimmons

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I think work is paying around $500/month for mine* but it's a good plan.


* which means they then pay me a $6K / year lower salary of course
 

TonyG

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So it is as bad as I thought it sounded? I honestly don't know how it compares, what do other people get for around $100 a month?

I wish that kind of plan was offered here, as that sounds much like the major medical plan I had that has since been canceled, 5k deductible ppo for $92/month. Now I am stuck with the lowest cost crappy plan with a 6k deductible, hmo at $186/month. Nope, not one bit pissed about that....but it covers that yearly $100 checkup...
 
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Ns1

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So it is as bad as I thought it sounded? I honestly don't know how it compares, what do other people get for around $100 a month?

employer sponsored PPO...

$177 month gets me $900 deductible, 100% preventative 80% other (yes I know it's not THAT great but goddamn it's better than a 5k deductible).
 

phucheneh

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How do you feel about uninsured drivers?

Now you can't count on making me and everyone else who is insured pay your ER bill. If you were in a car crash you would be demanding health care not a pillow to the face. Declaring bankruptcy after the accident works for you but still shifts the costs to me.

Maybe we should have a debate on a "pay or die" option: before you're admitted to a hospital for any treatment, you must show that you have coverage for it or money in the bank. No funds? No treatment.

Um, and where did I say anything about going all my life without health insurance? I used to be insured through employers, before a) the costs started skyrocketing from the clouds they were already floating in and b) employers started claiming they couldn't provide it. And that's the biggest kick in the face...a health insurance mandate...that causes employers to quit offering group health insurance.

Joseph Heller and Franz Kafka couldn't even make this shit up.

I think work is paying around $500/month for mine* but it's a good plan.


* which means they then pay me a $6K / year lower salary of course

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Pretend that goes on for about seventeen pages.

Right, I'm sure I'm totally being paid an extra five grand a year because of the ACA. :rolleyes:
 

phucheneh

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Health care after a serious accident costs a shit ton no matter what country you live in.

Go back to England.

...we all wish we could join you, really.

Seriously, though, you have no clue how absurd things are here. The best example from my recent memory is similar to what someone already posted above, except they actually got the price lowered for their personal payment...usually, only insurers get massive discounts...

I had blood drawn for routine tests. Just a basic, run of the mill lab panel...I think it was $800. I would've been on the hook for that amount, but luckily I pay out the ass to get mediocre (as opposed to terrible) insurance. They had to pick it up...so they paid...like 75 bucks.
 

lxskllr

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Health care after a serious accident costs a shit ton no matter what country you live in.

It costs a shit ton for almost nothing. You should see an insurance company statement.

Hospital bills $2578

Insurance company...

We pay 2% of that procedure
disallowed, no
no
3%
LoLno!
no
2%

amount paid to hospital...

$180

and everyone is happy with that. I want the fuckin' $180 from the start, and you can shove the copay up your ass, since billing isn't required. I'm paying American greenbacks right now, and that savings to your company can cover the copay.
 

DAGTA

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Go back to England.

...we all wish we could join you, really.

Seriously, though, you have no clue how absurd things are here. The best example from my recent memory is similar to what someone already posted above, except they actually got the price lowered for their personal payment...usually, only insurers get massive discounts...

I had blood drawn for routine tests. Just a basic, run of the mill lab panel...I think it was $800. I would've been on the hook for that amount, but luckily I pay out the ass to get mediocre (as opposed to terrible) insurance. They had to pick it up...so they paid...like 75 bucks.

I agree the ACA is screwed up.

On a separate note, it helps to shop around. I can get a blood draw and CBC for about $150 cash price at the local labs.