Who do you think will be the next conservative Supreme Court judge to retire?

[monovillage]

There's no indication one of the radical right 5 will not be on the court even at the end of a second Obama term. It's a huge negative impact legacy of Bush.

OK, if you say so

 

[monovillage]

I'm trying to show you that your opinion might be far out of the mainstream, so when you give us your opinions on the ideology of the court they may not be accurate in the terms that other people will understand them.

Clarence Thomas is widely considered to be the most conservative member (or perhaps tied with Scalia) on one of the most conservative Supreme Courts in generations. To call that 'moderation' doesn't really do justice to the word.

You would probably quote me experts that are left of center or with Democrat ties that would support your evaluation. It really wouldn't prove anything other then your definition of "mainstream" isn't the same as mine is.

 

[Double Trouble]

Can you provide me with a link to any reputable source that describes Clarence Thomas as a moderate conservative?

Since there's no accepted universal definition of what a "moderate conservative" is, there can be no definitive answer as to whether someone is one or not. It's going to be up to each person and their perspective as to what they consider him. Certainly we can agree that to the majority of people, Thomas would be more than just "moderately" conservative, but since there's no established definition that's pretty much a moot point.

 

[Double Trouble]

Let's document our side of the issue. An article from Slate for an example arguing correctly Thomas is a radical:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2007/08/originalist_sins.html

Using an article on slate as proof of anything is silly. Slate is very left of center, certainly not what I would consider mainstream.

 

[spidey07]

That it's always 5-4 in vote of the contituition and liberty should scare everyone.

One heartbeat away from tyranny. Make sure to keep Obama out of the whitehouse. We are that close.

 

[DCal430]

IMHO there are 4 Left to Center Left Judges, 1 Center Right Judge, 3 Far Right Judges, and 1 Bat Shit Insane Far Right Wing Wacko.

 

[monovillage]

IMHO there are 4 Left to Center Left Judges, 1 Center Right Judge, 3 Far Right Judges, and 1 Bat Shit Insane Far Right Wing Wacko.

Thank you for clearly stating it as your opinion rather then "mainstream" or "widely considered", it's good to see that someone can be left of center and still be accurate and honest.

 

[spidey07]

IMHO there are 4 Left to Center Left Judges, 1 Center Right Judge, 3 Far Right Judges, and 1 Bat Shit Insane Far Right Wing Wacko.

This is why your vote matters people. Fucksticks actually think like this.

November. November. Defeat the enemy if this nation.

 

[fskimospy]

You would probably quote me experts that are left of center or with Democrat ties that would support your evaluation. It really wouldn't prove anything other then your definition of "mainstream" isn't the same as mine is.

I don't have to quote you experts that are 'left of center', in fact I'm not sure that there's even a debate that Thomas is one of the most conservative judges to ever sit on the court. My entire point was that your definition of 'mainstream' isn't really in line with what the average person thinks.

What you are shooting for here is false equivalence. You have your opinion of what is moderate, I have mine. Mine is shared by a heavy majority of legal experts and I am unaware of anyone that shares your opinion. While you are certainly welcome to your opinion, lets not pretend they are the same thing.

EDIT: Oh, and by the way just because someone is outside of the mainstream doesn't mean that their views are bad. They are just extreme.

 

[kage69]

This is why your vote matters people. Fucksticks actually think like this.

November. November. Defeat the enemy if this nation.

lol, still off your meds spidey?

 

[fskimospy]

Thank you for clearly stating it as your opinion rather then "mainstream" or "widely considered", it's good to see that someone can be left of center and still be accurate and honest.

My response was perfectly accurate and honest. It would be dishonest to describe Thomas in any other way in reference to mainstream American jurisprudence.

 

[monovillage]

As long as mainstream gets to be defined by liberal Democrats, you'd be right.


http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011...thomas-has-made-his-imprint-on-supreme-court/

 

[fskimospy]

As long as mainstream gets to be defined by liberal Democrats, you'd be right.


http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011...thomas-has-made-his-imprint-on-supreme-court/

Good thing for you that it's not then, huh?

By the way, did you read that article? Your link was about how people were mean to Clarence Thomas, not that he's not very conservative. In fact your article repeatedly mentions how conservative he is. Although it was generally off topic if anything it supports my position, not yours.

 

[monovillage]

I said he was conservative, a moderate conservative and a strict constructionist. Craig had labeled him as one of the "radical right 5" He also said this:

"Your posts are just so absurd consistently, you aren't saying anything. You may as well call Hitler Jewish, Obama a KKK wizard, and Mitt Romney bald.

Calling Sam Alito, John Roberts, Clarence Thomas moderate is that ridiculous, as is calling Obama's appointees 'radical' - it only shows you as more ignorant than Rick Perry."

Quite frankly I do not give much credence to craig or your definitions of what "very conservative", or "radical right" is, you are both well to the left of center and truly partisan Democrats and why should any conservative or Republican accept your definitions?

 

[fskimospy]

I said he was conservative, a moderate conservative and a strict constructionist. Craig had labeled him as one of the "radical right 5" He also said this:

"Your posts are just so absurd consistently, you aren't saying anything. You may as well call Hitler Jewish, Obama a KKK wizard, and Mitt Romney bald.

Calling Sam Alito, John Roberts, Clarence Thomas moderate is that ridiculous, as is calling Obama's appointees 'radical' - it only shows you as more ignorant than Rick Perry."

Quite frankly I do not give much credence to craig or your definitions of what "very conservative", or "radical right" is, you are both well to the left of center and truly partisan Democrats and why should any conservative or Republican accept your definitions?

I wasn't asking you to accept my definition, I was asking you to accept the general, nationwide consensus on his judicial ideology. You should be happy he's so conservative, right?

 

[monovillage]

You are a very partisan, left of center Democrat. Why would I accept your "mainstream"? Why don't you call it what it is and say "Democrat mainstream" or the "general nationwide Democrat consensus" is... . I'm not as happy that he's a moderate conservative as I am that he's a strict constructionist.

 

[fskimospy]

You are a very partisan, left of center Democrat. Why would I accept your "mainstream"? Why don't you call it what it is and say "Democrat mainstream" or the "general nationwide Democrat consensus" is... . I'm not as happy that he's a moderate conservative as I am that he's a strict constructionist.

I don't care about the Democrats. I'm a liberal, not a Democrat.

I would not call it a 'Democrat mainstream' because that would be false. The mainstream that acknowledges Thomas's heavy conservatism is bipartisan. Why would I falsely label a bipartisan consensus a Democratic one?

 

[monovillage]

Sorry, maybe if you called it the "liberal mainstream" it would be better for you, but either as a Democrat or a liberal, you (and craig) have a very skewed vision on what "mainstream" is.

 

[fskimospy]

Sorry, maybe if you called it the "liberal mainstream" it would be better for you, but either as a Democrat or a liberal, you (and craig) have a very skewed vision on what "mainstream" is.

I'm just baffled by your stubborn insistence on defying simple facts. Clarence Thomas is extremely conservative. This isn't a democratic position or a republican position, it's an everybody position. If you believe Thomas is a moderate conservative, you are denying reality. Can you point out some of his positions that he has taken which you believe are indicative of moderate conservatism? Particularly positions where he has rejected a more conservative view? I can think of exactly one. That does not a moderate make.

What's strange about this is that you should be happy he's so conservative. When Republicans are asked what sort of justice they would appoint to the USSC, they always mention Scalia and Thomas. Why? Because they are thought of as highly conservative.

 

[spidey07]

I'm just baffled by your stubborn insistence on defying simple facts. Clarence Thomas is extremely conservative. This isn't a democratic position or a republican position, it's an everybody position. If you believe Thomas is a moderate conservative, you are denying reality. Can you point out some of his positions that he has taken which you believe are indicative of moderate conservatism? Particularly positions where he has rejected a more conservative view? I can think of exactly one. That does not a moderate make.

What's strange about this is that you should be happy he's so conservative. When Republicans are asked what sort of justice they would appoint to the USSC, they always mention Scalia and Thomas. Why? Because they are thought of as highly conservative.

Adhering to the constitution is viewed as conservative by the left. Its that simple.

 

[fskimospy]

Adhering to the constitution is viewed as conservative by the left. Its that simple.

Spidey, I just want to remind you that you are mentally ill. Seek professional help immediately.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Adhering to the constitution is viewed as conservative by the left. Its that simple.

This old saw really ignores the fact that judges like Justice Scalia are no less "activist" than most liberal judges - he just clothes himself in the Constitution as a rationale for his relatively extreme judicial philosophy.

I think the Constitution is undeniably the right starting point for analysis of our country's laws, but it's naive and nonsensical to pretend that this 224-year-old document (which provided, among other things, that a black person should be counted as 3/5 of a white persons for purposes of representation in Congress) is perfect and that we can run a modern, industrialized nation based solely on it.

 

[JSt0rm]

This is why your vote matters people. Fucksticks actually think like this.

November. November. Defeat the enemy if this nation.

hey look its batshit fucking nuts boy.

 

[monovillage]

I'm just baffled by your stubborn insistence on defying simple facts. Clarence Thomas is extremely conservative. This isn't a democratic position or a republican position, it's an everybody position. If you believe Thomas is a moderate conservative, you are denying reality. Can you point out some of his positions that he has taken which you believe are indicative of moderate conservatism? Particularly positions where he has rejected a more conservative view? I can think of exactly one. That does not a moderate make.

What's strange about this is that you should be happy he's so conservative. When Republicans are asked what sort of justice they would appoint to the USSC, they always mention Scalia and Thomas. Why? Because they are thought of as highly conservative.

It's not an everybody position, it's the Democrats/lefts position. What you want is the unobstructed right to define who and what a conservative is and how much of a conservative they are. At the same time you want to refuse any definition that the Republicans/right care to apply to liberals and how liberal they are. Maybe we should let Kennedy define them since he's the closest thing we have to mainstream in this discussion.

 

[fskimospy]

It's not an everybody position, it's the Democrats/lefts position. What you want is the unobstructed right to define who and what a conservative is and how much of a conservative they are. At the same time you want to refuse any definition that the Republicans/right care to apply to liberals and how liberal they are. Maybe we should let Kennedy define them since he's the closest thing we have to mainstream in this discussion.

No it isn't. Democrats say he's very conservative, Republicans say he's very conservative, everyone says it.

You're just flailing and making up personal attacks so that you can avoid admitting that Thomas is extremely conservative. I don't know why, as this should be something you like.