Who do you think has higher IQ, Bush 43 or Romney?

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Newell Steamer

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Bush has people telling him what to do.

Romney turns to his magical underwear (which you have no business of asking about) to tell him what to tell you what to do (but, he clearly has every right to tell YOU how to live and act,..).
 

MtnMan

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Bush's use of the spoken word indicates that bulb ain't the brightest bulb on the porch. His constant use of the wrong word, making up words, and clobbering even the one's he happened to use in the correct context show sub par intelligence.

That said, he was one plotting, scheming and conniving bastard.
 

Anarchist420

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It completely negates any sort of chimp look he could have. Look at the face of a chimp... Then look at his... He has nothing that matches that unless you have some weird facial processing bug that's making you see something that isn't there. Google image Bush looks like a chimp. You'll get pages and pages of pictures showing all different photos directly comparing various faces of Bush to various faces of chimps. Google Romney looks like a chimp you'll get one where someone shopped chimp teeth into his mouth, a bunch of just regular pictures of Romney, some pictures of Bush compared to a chimp, and some pictures of Obama compared to a chimp.
I agree with almost everything you've said. the one issue i disagree with you about whether romney looks like a chimp. he does not have o negative blood type and mtdna haplogroup u or uk
 

Anarchist420

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romney's iq is higher. bush may have been an estj like me. he got taped by doug wead which wouldnt happen to an estp. he was an m. bachman-style hypocrite unlike an estp (especially when it comes to democracy). he was strongly disliked like washington was and like i am. romney might be an ntj and i was being like bush when i thought that the former wasnt observant.
 

hal2kilo

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IQs have very little to do with success. There's plenty of genius dishwashers, and people who still live with their parents in that category.
 

norseamd

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Well are you focusing on IQ or general or overall intelligence.

For overall intelligence I would most certainly have to go with Bush.
 

norseamd

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romney's iq is higher. bush may have been an estj like me. he got taped by doug wead which wouldnt happen to an estp. he was an m. bachman-style hypocrite unlike an estp (especially when it comes to democracy). he was strongly disliked like washington was and like i am. romney might be an ntj and i was being like bush when i thought that the former wasnt observant.

Those personality theories are basically partially bullshit so do not put much reliance on that shit.
 

MongGrel

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I still wouldn't vote for either.

all this stupid acronyms letters is getting old fast.

Not even acronyms, but the bullshit in general.
 

BryanC

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Bush has people telling him what to do.

Romney turns to his magical underwear (which you have no business of asking about) to tell him what to tell you what to do (but, he clearly has every right to tell YOU how to live and act,..).


That's a really bigoted thing to say. =(
 

werepossum

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I'd heard he needed to be constantly "handled" behind closed doors and shielded from opinions outside of closed doors.

Things like him sitting stupefied for several minutes after the trade center attacks seems to support that...
Of course. Obama would have been in his Spandex and in the air well before the second plane hit, saving those Americans. 'Cause he's Super Smart.

romney (and I) looked CLOSER to a chimp than Obama did because the former's face was wider, shorter, his head was narrower, and had longer fore arms. Obama looks like a neanderthal to me.
I have never in my life noticed the length of a politician's forearms. I just always assume they are long enough to reach my pockets.

Neither one is very smart. They do have the educational background but that didn't' help Bush at all with his constant flubs and "making up weird words". However, both were smart enough to get into the positions they had and have now and live a comfy life wealthy. So I guess in that sense they are smarter or maybe just "luckier" than the rest of us.
Just imagine how the press would have reacted if Bush repeatedly said "Corpse men". Not to mention if he ever thanked himself for inviting himself to the White House to meet himself because that's what the TelePrompter told him to say.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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IQs have very little to do with success. There's plenty of genius dishwashers, and people who still live with their parents in that category.

You don't get a lot of rock-stupid people who build themselves from the ground up either though.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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Of course. Obama would have been in his Spandex and in the air well before the second plane hit, saving those Americans. 'Cause he's Super Smart.

I doubt he would have sat their dumbfounded in front of children until escorted away either.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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It's kinda scarey to me Dubya even got elected the first time.

Can't find the one about him having handlers offhand, I think might have been Lewis Black.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw4MPD6I_Ao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUx0a49X9lU

Part of it was the political landscape was more willing to go back and forth "just because;" republicans had a lot more credibility as a whole back then (not to say we won't return to that at some point) and part of it was Al Gore completely shutting off any charisma he had during his campaigns. Not to say Al Gore is normally super amazing charismatic, but whoever told him to put less emotion into everything during the campaign really failed him... Even with that Gore won the popular vote and it took getting shafted by state and federal the supreme courts for Bush to take it. So yea it took a lot for Bush to win an election :p
 

norseamd

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No what is actually amazing is the intelligence of the electorate to vote for Bush for another term which any potential stupidity of Bush just is not even a comparison.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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No what is actually amazing is the intelligence of the electorate to vote for Bush for another term which any potential stupidity of Bush just is not even a comparison.

Kerry. Between him being the most incapable democrat they could have put forth and the slander against him during a time when the public was very susceptible to fear, it let Bush stay competitive. Also, it was before Bush's policies started imploding on themselves, and most of America was still willing to look the other way to the fundamentalist pandering.
 

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Who the hell refers to him as Bush 43? Are you trying to be obtuse or cute? They both inherited their positions, and while neither is particularly intelligent Romney is obviously more so (Bush probably being sub-average Romney maybe being slightly above average). Also, do you have some sort of facial recognition deficiency?
One president Bush was the 41st president of the U.S. and the other was the 43rd. It's SOP when referring to a President Bush to specify 41 or 43. I remember reading that in phone calls they even call each other by their numbers instead of their name George.
 
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sportage

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You have to admit one thing...
President after president come in as if they owned the world, and leave end of term with their head hanging low.
We haven't seen a successful end of job president since, well since?
And Reagan was not a successful president in all reality.
Taxes went up and the debt went up plenty under Reagan.
And he too played stupid during his scandals. And he certainly had his share.
And that "tear this wall down" speech was no doubt pre-arranged with Gorbachev.
They both knew this was a done deal. Gorbachev just let the cowboy from CA take all the credit and for what in trade-off? God only knows...

Carter left in disgrace, mostly because he told Americans the truth and we didn't want to hear the truth.
Nixon, we all know about tricky Dick.
Kennedy was shot. Can't get much worse for a president than that.
Ford is less remembered and thought of than Nixon.
People remember the whitehose janitor more favorably that they do Ford.
Clinton had his zipper problems. Even though he left the economy fairly well off.
The first Bush couldn't remember the price of a loaf of bread, when asked.
And when Clinton won against the first Bush up for re-election, well that has to be extremely humiliating for any president to fail when seeking a second term.

Im sure Obama will be despised and hated long after his term is up.
And republicans will be determined to kill off and wipe clean anything and everything Obama had his hands on, with Obamacare their number one target for nuking off the face of the political earth.
Their only other option is to call Obamacare something else, then give Obama absolutely no credit come future years for whatever republicans end up calling Obamacare as.

And Hillary?
She is a woman. You can already hear the gender attacks coming.
She will be labeled a Lesbian, a witch, a tyrant, a bitch, fat, ugly, old, and thats the nicer labels they will toss at her.
Her hair will be focus of major scrutiny on a daily basis, as well as her choice in clothes.
Something GW never had to deal with.

Like the Beatles said in that song of theirs, "You aren't goin to make it with anyone anyhow".
I doubt ever again we have a president that does not leave office with his/her head hanging low and their tail between the legs.
And that is not their fault. That is the peoples fault.

Lets just blame the damn president for EVERYTHING wrong in the world!
 
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Anarchist420

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I think that myself, Bush, Romney, and Senator Clinton all have average deductive reasoning, that we cannot reason inductively, that we use too much inductive logic, that we are easily fooled due to our inability to live exclusively in the moment or the future, that our logic obscures the truth, and that the terrorist attacks of 9/11 would've been prevented had Nader, Harry Browne, or Ron Paul been president then. Al Gore definitely would've learned and stopped future attacks if he had not prevented them outright. But he would've had way too many costs and he may have set up more surveillance here after taking out those responsible.

Jeff Bergner (if I am not mistaken) never wanted Bush-scale surveillance at home, but he wanted the arabs to self destruct by u.s. presence abroad if i understand correctly (I didn't think that until recently). he was very supportive of israelis and americans. He is naturally a good man whom I can say that I love and an Idealist in the mold of Trotsky (he became disillusioned by New Left and Great Society) and as such could never be elected head of State with men like me around. Unlike Bush, he was more frequently able to see and understand risk and sometimes minimize it. But what he wanted will never happen. The next President won't allow it. America will never be restored like Ron Paul would like it to and the fact that it won't be is what sucks most and is the most definite. ENTPs and INFJs are theoretically the least harmful and best Presidents respectively although Van Buren is the only one who was INFJ (or at least the only ISTP with a damn-well developed "inferior function") and the only one of the idealist temperment. Ron Paul could never get elected because of people like me. I worry that I will feel threatened like Pilate felt to stop Ron Paul (or someone else) from being king. I love Ron Paul and I want as many people as possible without aggression being used to know that.

Obama is more like Jefferson psychologically (and his mother probably looked like Jefferson's mother). Like Jefferson, Obama has excellent inductive reasoning while both men were almost as unaware of their environments as Bush was of his and I think Obama's ability to connect the dots while being non-committal is what has stopped attacks for now. Due to his inductive reasoning, Obama gives many signals when terrorism needs more uniformity to strike. Obama is a good man and I apologize for once supporting and even advocating violence against him (like I have done on these forums and like I have done elsewhere respectively). I think Jefferson would've endorse Obama over Romney if he wanted to endorse either.

So I would have to say that those who really want more of Obama would be happiest with Newt Gingrich.

Clinton had an strong but good tendency to trust and cooperate but he could not stop the attacks because his advisors were interventionists.

Anyway, me being an STJ and having such a round wide short face is part of why I am so worried about becoming a member of a ruling class. I dont want to continue to benefit from from the State because I don't want to ever hurt on a centralized scale. I mean, Bush was on drugs like I am. Just because some are psychiatrically approved does not make illegal ones worse. Drugs can slow down stupidity or speed it up and they definitely have costs. But evil will never be fixed or reduced by aggression and I think that I have an evil soul while also being an innocent potentially brown person.

Bush 43 very closely resembles George Washington (but neither could be democratically nationalist like Andrew Jackson; Bush and Washington were conservative nationalists like Lincoln).

Dubya's decisions were most like those of Polk (e.g., cut certain tax rates to increase revenues, create new depts, letting people you claim to represent get murdered, lie about it, and then murdering innocent brown people while not taking responsibility for it) and lead to disaster. Bush 41's father was psychologically a lot like Lincoln, but I am assuming that his father did more damage outside the Presidency while not being quite as evil as his son and probably not as evil as Lincoln was.

John Tyler, OTOH, was an STJ like the most authoritarian and evil presidents were, but he was a very good man and very civil looking. Grover cleveland was also an STJ but he was always fat, civil looking, and a good man. Coolidge was an ISTJ, but he was a good man. I know that Coolidge was good/civil because he was capable of giving up power, saying no to it, independently and because he was celtic/red noric/alpine. ESTJs FDR (who was always told what to do like Bush was) and Truman were evil for bombing the Japanese while not caring or at least not being aware that civilians were being killed (see Ralph Raico on Truman). I know I cannot be like John Tyler, Cleveland, or Coolidge because of all the prenatal T I have. People independently educated know that the State is hypertestosteronal (and thus evil and certainly not smart) because it fosters the dishonest and it will never nurture anyone dependent without hurting at least one other person. The Whiskey Tax, of course, was an instance of the State contributing to division when it claimed to support union. I am too much like the State as I am hypertestosteronal and that should explain why i want to be euthanized instead of getting operated on at any time in the future.

Extra thanks from me to the good people at AT.
 
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schmuckley

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I'm going to pick Romney.
umm..any clear-cut results?
@ Anarchist..The 420 part is quite evident by your last post ;)
Obama=Jefferson? bwahahahahaha
 
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nageov3t

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I disagree with Mitt on every issue I can think of, but I'd still say that he never seemed particularly unintelligent (just amoral and a bit sinister)

GWB routinely came across as dumb as a box of bricks and someone who probably only got into office because his handlers knew they could use him as a puppet.
 

ctbaars

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Look at what Presidents go through. Smart people stay away. Get hired as a consultant.