Who agrees with "no slow-roll" rule in poker?

[watdahel]

As defined, slow-rolling is deceiving an opponent to think he's won when you know he hasn't. I read this is bad table manner. Now isn't the point of poker to deceive your opponent? I simply don't get this rule.

 

[Soundmanred]

"No poll" > "slow roll"

 

[Epic Fail]

Originally posted by: erwin1978
As defined, slow-rolling is deceiving an opponent to think he's won when you know he hasn't. I read this is bad table manner. Now isn't the point of poker to deceive your opponent? I simply don't get this rule.

Slow roll is when all your opponent's chips are in the pot and you take your sweet time to reveal your nut hand or aces before the flop.

 

[ra990]

Deception before the chips are in is OK. Slow rolling is usually at the showdown when you initially pretend that the opponent has better cards and then crush his excitement by showing a better hand after they start act like they won. There is no point to that since the chips are already in the pot and you aren't going to get anything out of it other than the sheer vindictive pleasure of crushing the other player's emotions. Its just mean but can be fun with friends and such. Definitely a no-no in the professional realm though.

 

[LtPage1]

Yeah, slow-rolling is just being a jerk after the last cards are shown and the last bets are in. It's not a synonym for bluffing.

 

[dethman]

i agree with a no rick-roll rule.

 

[mpitts]

Slow-rolling is one of the worst things that you can do at the poker table. By the time you have gotten to a showdown, there is no longer any need to deceive anyone.

Don't be a jerk and don't try to justify being an asshole. Slow-rolling is absolutely unacceptable.

 

[Spineshank]

Originally posted by: dethman
i agree with a no rick-roll rule.

Now what fun is that then?

 

[PokerGuy]

There's no such 'official' rule, it's just accepted etiquette. Deception is very much an integral part of poker, but only as it's designed to further your cause of winning. Deception (or slow rolling) once all the chips have already gone in does not increase winnings or chances of winnings, so it's basically viewed as useless and classless.

It really irritates me when someone goes all-in, and another player sits there and thinks about whether to go all-in or not, and then it turns out he/she has the nuts. Why sit there and waste everyone's time with your pretending to think about your move??

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
There's no such 'official' rule, it's just accepted etiquette. Deception is very much an integral part of poker, but only as it's designed to further your cause of winning. Deception (or slow rolling) once all the chips have already gone in does not increase winnings or chances of winnings, so it's basically viewed as useless and classless.

It really irritates me when someone goes all-in, and another player sits there and thinks about whether to go all-in or not, and then it turns out he/she has the nuts. Why sit there and waste everyone's time with your pretending to think about your move??

what you describe is different from a slow roll tho. the point is, some poker players may want to play a consistent style every hand. so even if they have nuts, they still play it the same way as if they didn't have nuts. that is acceptable.

the slow roll, once you made the call, is unacceptable.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
It really irritates me when someone goes all-in, and another player sits there and thinks about whether to go all-in or not, and then it turns out he/she has the nuts. Why sit there and waste everyone's time with your pretending to think about your move??

What if you're at the middle of the table? If you have the nuts, you want callers. If someone UTG ships it and you instantly call you could scare off other players from calling.

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
It really irritates me when someone goes all-in, and another player sits there and thinks about whether to go all-in or not, and then it turns out he/she has the nuts. Why sit there and waste everyone's time with your pretending to think about your move??

What if you're at the middle of the table? If you have the nuts, you want callers. If someone UTG ships it and you instantly call you could scare off other players from calling.

Absolutely, I was referring to a situation where the hand is down to two players. Sorry, I should have clarified.

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
what you describe is different from a slow roll tho. the point is, some poker players may want to play a consistent style every hand. so even if they have nuts, they still play it the same way as if they didn't have nuts. that is acceptable.

Consistent style is fine, see my response above, I meant in a situation where it's down to two players in a hand. Once the other player pushes all in, there is no further reason to sit there and put on a show pretending you're thinking about it, only to drop down and show the nuts. It's grandstanding and annoying.

 

[MixMasterTang]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
It really irritates me when someone goes all-in, and another player sits there and thinks about whether to go all-in or not, and then it turns out he/she has the nuts. Why sit there and waste everyone's time with your pretending to think about your move??

What if you're at the middle of the table? If you have the nuts, you want callers. If someone UTG ships it and you instantly call you could scare off other players from calling.

You're speaking of "slow playing" your hand, not "slow rolling".

 

[Toasthead]

Originally posted by: erwin1978
As defined, slow-rolling is deceiving an opponent to think he's won when you know he hasn't. I read this is bad table manner. Now isn't the point of poker to deceive your opponent? I simply don't get this rule.

Whats the point in deceiving at this point? The action is over and the outcome is all that is all that remains. I dont see how 'slow rolling' makes any sense

 

[XxPrOdiGyxX]

Originally posted by: Toasthead

Originally posted by: erwin1978
As defined, slow-rolling is deceiving an opponent to think he's won when you know he hasn't. I read this is bad table manner. Now isn't the point of poker to deceive your opponent? I simply don't get this rule.

Whats the point in deceiving at this point? The action is over and the outcome is all that is all that remains. I dont see how 'slow rolling' makes any sense

To be a dick and play mind-games. I say there be a rule that if someone gets slow-rolled they have the option to take retaliatory action.

 

[buck]

The only time I would ever do this, is when I were to flip over a hand revealing a bad beat jackpot. In that case everyone at the table would all win a lot of money. There is no other circumstance I would do it. Who would want to piss that many people off live?

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Toasthead

Originally posted by: erwin1978
As defined, slow-rolling is deceiving an opponent to think he's won when you know he hasn't. I read this is bad table manner. Now isn't the point of poker to deceive your opponent? I simply don't get this rule.

Whats the point in deceiving at this point? The action is over and the outcome is all that is all that remains. I dont see how 'slow rolling' makes any sense

It's just to be a douchebag.

 

[watdahel]

I was watching Phil Helmuth last night and he called another guy for slow rolling. I didn't think he did. He had KK and Phil had A9. The flop was 393 and the turn and river are irrelevant. Phil made a huge bet on the river making him the lowest stack on the table. I didn't understand that move.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

never even heard of this before. yeah i would agree that is bad table manners, though i wouldn't feel particularly bad doing it to that jerkoff helmuth

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: erwin1978
I was watching Phil Helmuth last night and he called another guy for slow rolling. I didn't think he did. He had KK and Phil had A9. The flop was 393 and the turn and river are irrelevant. Phil made a huge bet on the river making him the lowest stack on the table. I didn't understand that move.

hes a big crybaby, thats all. if he made good calls he wouldnt be able to cry, so he probably intentionally makes bad calls.

 

[nervegrind3r]

slow rolling is bad poker etiquette. it should not be done as its a dick move. even in cases when I have played against assholes, and hand the lock hand in which they could not win, I did no slow roll during the showdown. taking their money is enough to make them shut the fuck up, and take any pride away. Just dont do it, bottom line.

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: erwin1978
I was watching Phil Helmuth last night and he called another guy for slow rolling. I didn't think he did. He had KK and Phil had A9. The flop was 393 and the turn and river are irrelevant. Phil made a huge bet on the river making him the lowest stack on the table. I didn't understand that move.

hes a big crybaby, thats all. if he made good calls he wouldnt be able to cry, so he probably intentionally makes bad calls.

Phil is an annoying whiny crybaby, but he's a great player underneath all the ego and tantrums etc. When you sit and watch the guy play, he does a phenominal job understanding the flow of what's going on and each situation, and he acts accordingly. If he wasn't such a &$@#!#@% I'd be a big fan.

 

[manly]

Originally posted by: erwin1978
I was watching Phil Helmuth last night and he called another guy for slow rolling. I didn't think he did. He had KK and Phil had A9. The flop was 393 and the turn and river are irrelevant. Phil made a huge bet on the river making him the lowest stack on the table. I didn't understand that move.

Phil had 10 9 and played the hand weak. A strong player would likely raise his pair on the flop and fold once he was re-raised. When Phil check-calls like he did, he thinks he's trapping you with the rope-a-dope. That's a good strategy if he knows you're constantly firing bets with just air.

I think part of the showdown was cut in post-production; but from what they showed, it wasn't a slow roll IMO. IIRC the other player declared two pair and turned over KK (over 33 on the board). Like randay said, Helmuth thinks he's the greatest HE player alive and whines about all kinds of crap.

I thought Allen Cunningham played an interesting hand earlier in the session when he opened with 99, then called raise/re-raise. On the turn, finally convinced he was beaten, he folded with an OESD.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life

Originally posted by: dethman
i agree with a no rick-roll rule.

Now what fun is that then?

Can you rick roll someone in poker?

"I see you have a full house, well, I got a 'Never gonna give you up...'"

 

[oznerol]

Ah man, you have a straight... I only have 2 pair....

2 pair.... of EIGHTS...

Zing!