White nationalist group posing as antifa called for violence on Twitter

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Starbuck1975

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Only ones contributing to the chaos...? Not the White Nationalists, etc.? Just the left groups.
White nationalists are terrorists, have always been terrorists and its well documented that they are stroking the chaos because it serves their agenda.
 

ch33zw1z

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With Trump and Miller around, you won't see the Fed's hating on white nationalists / white terrorism anytime soon. Their just very find people.
 
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Starbuck1975

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You stated :

“Anyone provoking rioting and looting or looking to force a response from police”

- Rioting.
- Looting.
- Force response from the police.

From the definition of

"The unlawful use of violence and intimidation to achieve political goals."

None of those three qualifies. Its not up for debate, dont need to respond to it, its a fact as gravity is to mass.

You are wrong.

Goalposts. You then, and I am quoting you from above, go on to expand with :

"Since we already know that anarchists and other fringe left groups are contributing to the chaos"

- Yea, anarchists usually have a political motive.
- Yea, antifa usually have a political motive.
- Yea, neo nazis usually have a political motive.
- Yea, KKK usually have a political motive
- Yea, white supremacy groups usually have a political motive.
- And for some fucked up reason it seems like some cops are undercover with alternative political motives.

So for THOSE groups, engaging in rioting, looting and confronting the authorities is some level of terrorism. Yes.

BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU SAID BUCK. you should keep a memo on where you put your own goalposts down.

Anyway, I am sure we can agree there is levels of terror right? I mean .. twin towers, am I right? I mean, they are not exactly al-qaeda material are they?

You sure you still wanna label them terrorists?

Absolutely sure?

Cause, the white supremacists fuckers, the cops posing as antifas and setting shit on fire to get the show going, THOSE fuckers are the closest god damn thing you come to a terrorist in this scenario.

And you fucking know it. Just fucking stop.
I’ll simplify this for you. Anyone feeding the flames of violence and chaos to achieve political goals is engaging in terrorism. I enter into this conversation with white nationalists by default classified as terrorists. Antifa are not terrorists. Looters are not terrorists. The fringe left anarchy Occupy Wall Street types certainly are. The people burning police cars and throwing bricks at police are. The people deliberately trying to hurt police are.
 

Starbuck1975

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I'm way behind on this. What evidence is out there supporting which groups are contributing to the chaos. Do you mind tossing up a link when you have time? You seem well informed.
The Governor and Lieutenant Governor of Minnesota released statements indicating that both white supremacists and anarchists are amongst the outside agitators.
 

Meghan54

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I'm way behind on this. What evidence is out there supporting which groups are contributing to the chaos. Do you mind tossing up a link when you have time? You seem well informed.

Trumpie told him so, along with Fox, Brietbart, Rush, RT, Drudge Report, amongst others, so it's gotta be true!!!!

In other words, he has no better clue than any of us....but he's sure it's all antifa doing it. He KNOWS!!!!!!!
 
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zzyzxroad

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The Governor and Lieutenant Governor of Minnesota released statements indicating that both white supremacists and anarchists are amongst the outside agitators.

Was there anything about fringe left groups in their statements?


Two days ago walz said he didn't have any proof but his suspicion was organized white nationalists and drug cartels where the instigators. Did you have any actual proof to back your claims up or just a hunch?

 
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Starbuck1975

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...and people forget that they dressed themselves up as Native Americans, too.

wonder why that was?
One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter, although it would be nice if we could denounce all groups exploiting the current chaos to further their agendas.
 

ch33zw1z

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Who is supporting violence and looting?

He's just beating another strawman to death. If you point out that looting and provocation is coming from white nationalists and LEO's themselves, then the logical fallacy that you're defending other groups must be presented.

Plus, when you converse with him, make sure your specifically asking what the definitions of his words are. He's supposed to have a dictionary out anytime now, it must be immense since it's taking so long.
 

cytg111

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I’ll simplify this for you. Anyone feeding the flames of violence and chaos to achieve political goals is engaging in terrorism. I enter into this conversation with white nationalists by default classified as terrorists. Antifa are not terrorists. Looters are not terrorists. The fringe left anarchy Occupy Wall Street types certainly are. The people burning police cars and throwing bricks at police are. The people deliberately trying to hurt police are.
I like simple things, thank you.
 

zinfamous

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One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter, although it would be nice if we could denounce all groups exploiting the current chaos to further their agendas.

Oh, I thought I was just reminding you and others how the "patriots" of the day were disguising themselves as their era's scapegoats. Such that, if their acts were ever stopped, the gutless strategy would be to have shifted blame on the disenfranchised, and the vengeance set upon them would end up being just a pleasant, useful setback to the cause.

I'm starting to think that some of you are still unaware that the majority of arrested rioters and looters so far are rightwing terrorists that are trying to damage the protestors' cause by masking themselves as typical leftwing boogeymen...or you just don't want to acknowledge it?
 

ch33zw1z

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Oh, I thought I was just reminding you and others how the "patriots" of the day were disguising themselves as their era's scapegoats. Such that, if their acts were ever stopped, the gutless strategy would be to have shifted blame on the disenfranchised, and the vengeance set upon them would end up being just a pleasant, useful setback to the cause.

"all sides"
 

ch33zw1z

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I like simple things, thank you.

He left out the police terrorizing the general populace also, which got us here.. Oh, you can't breathe? Let me apply more pressure to your neck with my boot. How's that?
 

zzyzxroad

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Since we already know that anarchists and other fringe left groups are contributing to the chaos

Do we though? Is there proof to back this up? You stated it like it was a fact but really seems like a hunch.

#SBSucksatbothsidsing
 

JEDIYoda

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The unlawful use of violence and intimidation to achieve political goals. Since we already know that anarchists and other fringe left groups are contributing to the chaos, my statement stands. I’m going to go for a jog. That should give you plenty of time to move the goal posts.
you forgot fringe right groups....oops! that was no mistake! You honestly believe what you posted....a sad pathetic human being...
 

cytg111

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He left out the police terrorizing the general populace also, which got us here.. Oh, you can't breathe? Let me apply more pressure to your neck with my boot. How's that?
Yes. To my mind we have arrived at a new consensus on what terror is in context of civil unrest. Sure, by 'simplifying' it to me, no problem, I can take that. Point is we have a frame of reference, consensus, we can build on going forward... I hope.
 

HomerJS

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I’ll simplify this for you. Anyone feeding the flames of violence and chaos to achieve political goals is engaging in terrorism. I enter into this conversation with white nationalists by default classified as terrorists. Antifa are not terrorists. Looters are not terrorists. The fringe left anarchy Occupy Wall Street types certainly are. The people burning police cars and throwing bricks at police are. The people deliberately trying to hurt police are.
Care to take an educated guess why Trump won't even try to go after white nationalists or make a terrorism designation for them?
 

Starbuck1975

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Care to take an educated guess why Trump won't even try to go after white nationalists or make a terrorism designation for them?
Because he is a divisive President, and race is the easiest wedge issue for fracturing the American electorate.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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Do we though? Is there proof to back this up? You stated it like it was a fact but really seems like a hunch.

#SBSucksatbothsidsing
Governors and mayors close to what is happening across numerous cities are making mention of anarchists. I trust their judgment over yours.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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Oh, I thought I was just reminding you and others how the "patriots" of the day were disguising themselves as their era's scapegoats. Such that, if their acts were ever stopped, the gutless strategy would be to have shifted blame on the disenfranchised, and the vengeance set upon them would end up being just a pleasant, useful setback to the cause.

I'm starting to think that some of you are still unaware that the majority of arrested rioters and looters so far are rightwing terrorists that are trying to damage the protestors' cause by masking themselves as typical leftwing boogeymen...or you just don't want to acknowledge it?
Citation needed. The only outside agitator that I’ve seen affirmatively documented is Brian Bartels, a member of the Animal Liberation Front, who instigated rioting in Pittsburgh. Bruce Willis was seem entering the jail where he is being held.