White House won't challenge leak story

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12187153/

White House won't challenge leak story
Former Cheney aide Libby claims Bush himself authorized Iraq revelations
WASHINGTON - The White House on Friday declined to challenge assertions that President Bush authorized the leaks of intelligence information to counter administration critics on Iraq.


If it wasn't true the White House would be screaming its not true.
This has convinced me that it must be true.
 

Genx87

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That he had Libby release parts of a de-classified document to the press outlining WMD in Iraq?

I agree, that is very most likely true he did that.

 

dahunan

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I read that this morning.... They are working with all of their lawyers to redefine treason like they redefined torture.

 

JacobJ

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Originally posted by: dahunan
I read that this morning.... They are working with all of their lawyers to redefine treason like they redefined torture.
You mean like how they redefined 'domestic spying' and 'enemy combatant'?

 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: dahunan
I read that this morning.... They are working with all of their lawyers to redefine treason like they redefined torture.

Treason to the Bushites is anybody who disagrees with them.
 

OrByte

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Oh this is choice!

Scott McClellan:

"There is a difference between providing declassified information to the public when it's in the public interest and leaking classified information that involved sensitive national intelligence regarding our security."

He is absolutely right. But, since when is leaking the undercover identity of a CIA agent "in the public's best interest" ??

I look forward to the day when this man loses his job. I just can't stand the word- parsing, the obfuscation, the st-st-st-studdering, and the smugness he brings as spokesman of this administration. I have no doubt he will make his millions writing a book, or speaking on the political circuit, or moving on to some glorified PNAC post.

Scott McClellan, I salute you!! :D
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: OrByte
Oh this is choice!

Scott McClellan:

"There is a difference between providing declassified information to the public when it's in the public interest and leaking classified information that involved sensitive national intelligence regarding our security."

He is absolutely right. But, since when is leaking the undercover identity of a CIA agent "in the public's best interest" ??

I look forward to the day when this man loses his job. I just can't stand the word- parsing, the obfuscation, the st-st-st-studdering, and the smugness he brings as spokesman of this administration. I have no doubt he will make his millions writing a book, or speaking on the political circuit, or moving on to some glorified PNAC post.

Scott McClellan, I salute you!! :D

Uh this latest revelation has nothing to do with Plame and it is clear Bush didnt give the authorization to leak her name. I know your local media outlet is trying to put 2 and 2 together and get 5, but lets not combine two seperate issues.
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: OrByte
Oh this is choice!

Scott McClellan:

"There is a difference between providing declassified information to the public when it's in the public interest and leaking classified information that involved sensitive national intelligence regarding our security."

He is absolutely right. But, since when is leaking the undercover identity of a CIA agent "in the public's best interest" ??

I look forward to the day when this man loses his job. I just can't stand the word- parsing, the obfuscation, the st-st-st-studdering, and the smugness he brings as spokesman of this administration. I have no doubt he will make his millions writing a book, or speaking on the political circuit, or moving on to some glorified PNAC post.

Scott McClellan, I salute you!! :D

Uh this latest revelation has nothing to do with Plame and it is clear Bush didnt give the authorization to leak her name. I know your local media outlet is trying to put 2 and 2 together and get 5, but lets not combine two seperate issues.

You learn well from McClellan. Let me know where I can sign up for
Word-Parsing/Obfuscation 101, thanks Gen!@

link to story.

 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: OrByte
Oh this is choice!

Scott McClellan:

"There is a difference between providing declassified information to the public when it's in the public interest and leaking classified information that involved sensitive national intelligence regarding our security."

He is absolutely right. But, since when is leaking the undercover identity of a CIA agent "in the public's best interest" ??

I look forward to the day when this man loses his job. I just can't stand the word- parsing, the obfuscation, the st-st-st-studdering, and the smugness he brings as spokesman of this administration. I have no doubt he will make his millions writing a book, or speaking on the political circuit, or moving on to some glorified PNAC post.

Scott McClellan, I salute you!! :D

Uh this latest revelation has nothing to do with Plame and it is clear Bush didnt give the authorization to leak her name. I know your local media outlet is trying to put 2 and 2 together and get 5, but lets not combine two seperate issues.

You learn well from McClellan. Let me know where I can sign up for
Word-Parsing/Obfuscation 101, thanks Gen!@

link to story.

Oh and where does it say in this story Bush authorized Plames name be given out?

This is about as good as it gets

In his court filing, Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald asserted that "the president was unaware of the role" that Libby "had in fact played in disclosing" Plame's CIA status. The prosecutor gave no such assurance, though, regarding Cheney.

Pretty damning isnt it?
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: OrByte
Oh this is choice!

Scott McClellan:

"There is a difference between providing declassified information to the public when it's in the public interest and leaking classified information that involved sensitive national intelligence regarding our security."

He is absolutely right. But, since when is leaking the undercover identity of a CIA agent "in the public's best interest" ??

I look forward to the day when this man loses his job. I just can't stand the word- parsing, the obfuscation, the st-st-st-studdering, and the smugness he brings as spokesman of this administration. I have no doubt he will make his millions writing a book, or speaking on the political circuit, or moving on to some glorified PNAC post.

Scott McClellan, I salute you!! :D

Uh this latest revelation has nothing to do with Plame and it is clear Bush didnt give the authorization to leak her name. I know your local media outlet is trying to put 2 and 2 together and get 5, but lets not combine two seperate issues.

You learn well from McClellan. Let me know where I can sign up for
Word-Parsing/Obfuscation 101, thanks Gen!@

link to story.

Oh and where does it say in this story Bush authorized Plames name be given out?
LOL! you aren't that obtuse. I actually give you more credit than most around here. Come on man, if the administration could deny it by now they would be all over it. But since no denial has been stated then it makes this issue very very interesting.

On a side note, I just love the little round robin this administration has found itself in. If it isnt Libby its Abramoff, or Katrina, or wiretapping, or Iraq, etc etc etc. And its like each issue takes turns pounding away at the veil of secrecy.

are you aware just how secret this adminstration is Gen? can you at least see that much?


 

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Originally posted by: techs
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12187153/

White House won't challenge leak story
Former Cheney aide Libby claims Bush himself authorized Iraq revelations
WASHINGTON - The White House on Friday declined to challenge assertions that President Bush authorized the leaks of intelligence information to counter administration critics on Iraq.


If it wasn't true the White House would be screaming its not true.
This has convinced me that it must be true.

How can the Bush administration reconcile their posture today--vs.--what Bush said on Feb 11, 2004 when the Novak/Plame leak became known. Clearly the issue was Plame being outed to discredit her husband Wilson, vis-a-vis spent rods and Niger --not wether or not Bush had declassyfied anything.

If Bush was the source of the leak--by way of Libby--classified or not--Why not say so contemporaneous with the story breaking on or about Feb 11, 2004. Why wait till now. Why did Bush keep saying "I want to know the truth about who leaked the Plame story" if he now claims he knew all along...it was him...

Lies and more lies, and more lies after that. Worst administration in my lifetime.

Bush welcomes probe of CIA leak
'I want to know the truth,' president tells reporters

Wednesday, February 11, 2004 Posted: 1:46 AM EST (0646 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush said Tuesday he welcomes a Justice Department investigation into who revealed the classified identity of a CIA operative.

"If there's a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is," Bush told reporters at an impromptu news conference during a fund-raising stop in Chicago, Illinois. "If the person has violated law, that person will be taken care of.

"I welcome the investigation. I am absolutely confident the Justice Department will do a good job.

"I want to know the truth," the president continued. "Leaks of classified information are bad things."

He added that he did not know of "anybody in my administration who leaked classified information."
 

LegendKiller

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Wow, they are being investigated by a justice department who's head is a politcal appointee, supports a "unified executive", is a complete "yes man", supports wire tapping in violation of the constitution and other laws, and supports torture.

I bet you we will find out TONS from this investigation.
 

Gaard

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Genx - "Uh this latest revelation has nothing to do with Plame and it is clear Bush didnt give the authorization to leak her name."

Why do you say it's clear?
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: OrByte
Oh this is choice!

Scott McClellan:

"There is a difference between providing declassified information to the public when it's in the public interest and leaking classified information that involved sensitive national intelligence regarding our security."

He is absolutely right. But, since when is leaking the undercover identity of a CIA agent "in the public's best interest" ??

I look forward to the day when this man loses his job. I just can't stand the word- parsing, the obfuscation, the st-st-st-studdering, and the smugness he brings as spokesman of this administration. I have no doubt he will make his millions writing a book, or speaking on the political circuit, or moving on to some glorified PNAC post.

Scott McClellan, I salute you!! :D

Uh this latest revelation has nothing to do with Plame and it is clear Bush didnt give the authorization to leak her name. I know your local media outlet is trying to put 2 and 2 together and get 5, but lets not combine two seperate issues.

Not according to Libby, he says Bush and Cheney authorized it.

Why doesn't Bush address this issue himself and take a few questions while he's at it? Instead he's sending out his lap dogs to do his talking for him??? LMAO!! A true chickenhawk.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: OrByte
Oh this is choice!

Scott McClellan:

"There is a difference between providing declassified information to the public when it's in the public interest and leaking classified information that involved sensitive national intelligence regarding our security."

He is absolutely right. But, since when is leaking the undercover identity of a CIA agent "in the public's best interest" ??

I look forward to the day when this man loses his job. I just can't stand the word- parsing, the obfuscation, the st-st-st-studdering, and the smugness he brings as spokesman of this administration. I have no doubt he will make his millions writing a book, or speaking on the political circuit, or moving on to some glorified PNAC post.

Scott McClellan, I salute you!! :D

Uh this latest revelation has nothing to do with Plame and it is clear Bush didnt give the authorization to leak her name. I know your local media outlet is trying to put 2 and 2 together and get 5, but lets not combine two seperate issues.

You learn well from McClellan. Let me know where I can sign up for
Word-Parsing/Obfuscation 101, thanks Gen!@

link to story.

Oh and where does it say in this story Bush authorized Plames name be given out?
LOL! you aren't that obtuse. I actually give you more credit than most around here. Come on man, if the administration could deny it by now they would be all over it. But since no denial has been stated then it makes this issue very very interesting.

On a side note, I just love the little round robin this administration has found itself in. If it isnt Libby its Abramoff, or Katrina, or wiretapping, or Iraq, etc etc etc. And its like each issue takes turns pounding away at the veil of secrecy.

are you aware just how secret this adminstration is Gen? can you at least see that much?

Every administration is secret, some have an easier time keeping things secret than others.

And what is there to deny, they made this information availble public 3 years ago?
This story broke like Bush himself told Libby to leak Plames name but as usual when you actually read the story it is bush having libby give out declassified information to reporters. Declassfied information they apparently let the press know about on July 18th 2003. And nothing to do with leaking Plames name.

If you think I am on to "jump" to conclusions on these kinds of issues, I am sorry, I dont play along.

 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Gaard
Genx - "Uh this latest revelation has nothing to do with Plame and it is clear Bush didnt give the authorization to leak her name."

Why do you say it's clear?

Have you managed to read any of the stories regarding this situation? Libby is saying Bush had him give declassified information to reporters. Two completely different situations.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Gaard
Genx - "Uh this latest revelation has nothing to do with Plame and it is clear Bush didnt give the authorization to leak her name."

Why do you say it's clear?
To a Bush-God fanboi, the Propagandist's innocence is always clear.


BTW, I notice people like Genx87 avoid discussing that plane trip to Entebbe. That's where it was all laid out.
 

Gaard

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Genx - "Have you managed to read any of the stories regarding this situation? Libby is saying Bush had him give declassified information to reporters. Two completely different situations."

Even if they're different, why does it make it clear that Bush didn't authorize the leak of Plame's name?
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Gaard
Genx - "Uh this latest revelation has nothing to do with Plame and it is clear Bush didnt give the authorization to leak her name."

Why do you say it's clear?
To a Bush-God fanboi, the Propagandist's innocence is always clear.


BTW, I notice people like Genx87 avoid discussing that plane trip to Entebbe. That's where it was all laid out.

To partisan hacks like yourself, guilty until proven innocent.


 

Gaard

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Genx - It might be better for you to say "IMO, Bush isn't guilty of authorizing the leak" and not "It's clear that Bush didn't authorize the leak".
 

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Genx - "Uh this latest revelation has nothing to do with Plame and it is clear Bush didnt give the authorization to leak her name."

Why do you say it's clear?

According to the documents, Cheney told Libby to pass on portions of the National Intelligence Estimate to the press. Libby apparently wasn't satisfied with that request so Cheney got backing from Bush, then repeated his request to Libby to pass on the information. The president has the authority to declassify, and in fact, days later, the entire intelligence estimate was released to the press. The estimate did not discuss Plame.

Got any evidence otherwise?

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Although others will say oh but we just dont know, please.

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April 7, 2006 -- AND INFO WAS ALREADY PUBLIC
IT'S amazing how the common topics and subjects of discussion three years ago should vanish so quickly from memory.
Yesterday, breathless news reports suggested that President Bush had directed the "leak" of classified information in July 2003. Yet the "leak" in question was from a document called the National Intelligence Estimate, or NIE - and by the time this "leak" occurred, the contents of the NIE as they related to Iraq were almost entirely public.

On Oct. 7, 2002, nine months before Bush's supposed "leak," the administration released an unclassified version of the very same NIE at the urging of Senate Democrats. And in early 2003, reporters hostile to the administration (primarily John Judis and Spencer Ackerman of The New Republic) were being told all sorts of things about the still-classified portions of the NIE.

And this "leak" wasn't a leak in any case. A "leak" is the unauthorized release of government information. The leak of classified information is a crime. But according to Scooter Libby, the former chief of staff to the vice president who gave the information from the NIE to a reporter, he only released it because he was authorized to do so by the president himself.

Constitutionally, the authority to declare documents "classified" resides with the president. So, under the terms of an executive order first drafted in 1982, he can declassify a document merely by declaring it unclassified.

The language of the executive order reads as follows: "Information shall be declassified or downgraded by the official who authorized the original classification, if that official is still serving in the same position . . . [or] a supervisory official." In the executive branch, the president is the ultimate "supervisory official."

We have found out about the president's decision to declassify information from the 2002 NIE because the special prosecutor who has charged Libby with perjury and obstruction of justice revealed elements of Libby's grand-jury testimony in new court papers.

The prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, claims Libby was involved in revealing the identity of CIA operative Valerie Plame as a means of discrediting Wilson's husband, Joseph C. Wilson.

Wilson had written an op-ed in which he said he knew first-hand that the Bush administration had deliberately lied when it claimed Saddam Hussein was trying to buy uranium in Africa. (The CIA had sent Wilson, a one-time ambassador, to the African country of Niger for little more than a week in 2002 to check out the uranium story.)

Wilson was certain he could demonstrate that Libby had told Judith Miller of The New York Times about Valerie Plame's CIA employment at a meeting between the two on July 8, 2003. But Libby told the grand jury, in effect, that he met with Miller that day to give her information to discredit Wilson's op-ed that was far more potent than simply pointing out Wilson probably got the gig because his CIA wife was throwing the diplomatic has-been a bone.

According to Fitzgerald's court filing, Libby "testified that he was specifically authorized in advance of the meeting to disclose the key judgments of the classified NIE to Miller on that occasion because it was thought that the NIE was 'pretty definitive' against what Ambassador Wilson had said and that the vice president thought that it was 'very important' for the key judgments of the NIE to come out. [Libby] further testified that he at first advised the vice president that he could not have this conversation with reporter Miller because of the classified nature of the NIE. [Libby] testified that the vice president later advised him that the president had authorized [Libby] to disclose the relevant portions of the NIE."

Also lost in the mists of recent memory is the reason we're talking about this in the first place. Fitzgerald is involved in this story because he was asked to investigate whether the public exposure of Mrs. Wilson's CIA employment was a crime. For it to be a crime, she had to be a covert CIA operative who had served in that capacity at some point in the five years prior to her exposure - and the person exposing her had to be doing it consciously and with knowledge that she was covert.

Fitzgerald did not indict Libby or anybody else on those grounds. Even so, there's been a lot of harrumphing about the idea that the White House might have sought to discredit Wilson at all - that somehow doing such a thing was manifestly horrible.

But Wilson had claimed that he had inside knowledge that the White House knew Saddam had never sought to purchase uranium and that it went ahead and told a cock-and-bull story anyway - that, in other words, Bush had deliberately lied us into war.

That charge was so explosive that the Bush administration had no choice but to answer it in some fashion. By authorizing the release of some classified material to a reporter, Bush was fighting back against a slander.

And slander it was, no more and no less. The Senate Intelligence Committee specifically said Wilson came back from Niger and offered up some information suggesting Saddam had been pursuing nuclear material in Niger in 1999.

Wilson's appalling lies were revealed in 2004. And yet, here we are, in 2006, fighting the same old battles. Guess this is what happens when you don't win a war quickly enough.




 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Gaard
Genx - It might be better for you to say "IMO, Bush isn't guilty of authorizing the leak" and not "It's clear that Bush didn't authorize the leak".

Why? What gives you the idea Bush authorized the leak of Plames name from this story?
Your wanting of it becoming true?

I want to win the lottery, does it mean it is true I will win it?
 

Gaard

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Genx - "Why? What gives you the idea Bush authorized the leak of Plames name from this story?
Your wanting of it becoming true?

I want to win the lottery, does it mean it is true I will win it? "

Why do you think something has convinced me of Bush's guilt?