White House Wants Search Limits Overturned

[conjur]

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White House Wants Search Limits Overturned
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050527/ap_on_go_pr_wh/secret_searches

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration asked a federal appeals court Friday to restore its ability to compel Internet service providers to turn over information about their customers or subscribers as part of its fight against terrorism.

The legal filing with the 2nd Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals in New York comes amid a debate in Congress over renewal of the Patriot Act and whether to expand the FBI's power to seek records without the approval of a judge or grand jury.

U.S. District Judge Victor Marrero of New York last year blocked the government from conducting secret searches of communications records, saying the law that authorized them wrongly barred legal challenges and imposed a gag order on affected businesses.

The ruling came in a lawsuit by the American Civil Liberties Union and an Internet access firm that received a national security letter from the FBI demanding records. The identity of the firm remains secret.

The government was authorized to pursue communications records as part of a 1986 law. Its powers were enhanced by the Patriot Act in 2001.

The administration said the judge's ruling was off the mark because the company did mount a legal challenge to the demand for records. "Yet in this very case, the recipient of the NSL did precisely what the NSLs supposedly prevent recipients from doing," the filing said.

The law's ban on disclosing that such a letter has been received also is appropriate because of legitimate security concerns, the government said.

But ACLU attorney Jameel Jaffer said the law does not contain a provision to challenge the FBI's demand for documents. The ACLU and the firm filed the lawsuit to challenge the law's constitutionality on the grounds that it doesn't contain such a provision, he said.

"Most people who get NSLs don't know they can bring a challenge in court because the statute doesn't say they can," he said. "No one has filed a motion to quash in 20 years."

The ban on disclosure is so broad that the ACLU initially filed the suit under seal and negotiated for weeks on a version that could be released to the public.

Previously censored material released several months after Marrero's ruling included innocuous material the government wanted withheld, the ACLU said, including the phrase "national security" and this sentence from a statement by an FBI agent: "I am a Special Agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation."

as all get-out at that last line. Wow. See what I mean about how this administration can deem anything as classified, even when it's as benign as something like that?

Anyway, this feels like a veiled attempt at getting access to "terrorists" like left-wing bloggers and the like. Surely if the government had credible evidence that a terrorist was operating in the U.S., a judge would sign an order to allow the ISP to reveal the customer's information.

 

[Rainsford]

I love this idea. Maybe I can adapt it to doing things I wanted to do anyways. "Sorry I'm cutting in line, it's for the fight against terrorism." "I know I didn't pay the speeding ticket officer, but it was to fight terrorism." "Jenny, you have to go out with me if we want to defeat terrorism." Give me a fvcking break.

There is nothing wrong with our ability to gather data, the problem is analyzing it. Jesus tapdancing Christ, it's like nobody has two neurons to rub together in the White House.

 

[Amplifier]

Canada looks more and more inviting every day.

 

[Train]

Why dont they just buy it like every one else does. (Probly cheaper than going through the courts) Its not like these records arent for sale anyways, pfffft.

 

[sonoma1993]

our goverment getting to powerful now, we need to get rid of the patriot act and put the power back to the people. Geogre Bush doesnt need anymore control over us.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Train
Why dont they just buy it like every one else does. (Probly cheaper than going through the courts) Its not like these records arent for sale anyways, pfffft.

And just how are you going to buy customer name, addresses, phone numbers, credit card info, etc. from ISP databases?