White House to Push Gun Control

[irishScott]

It obviously isn't the guns fault, they are inanimate objects. It's also not the nuclear bombs fault, but a world without nuclear weapons is a better world. A country without guns is a better country... Less needless deaths.

Actually a world without nuclear weapons as a deterrent is a world with conventional World Wars, but I digress.

And when you tell me how you plan to get rid of all 270,000,000+ guns in America without causing more deaths at the hands of criminals, I will join the gun control crowd. In the meantime your opinion is simply your moralistic whining that runs contrary to reality.

You support laws that deny self defense to your neighbor because of the supposed superiority of your morality. All so at some hypothetical date the world will be peaceful forever, and the extra deaths we endured in the meantime will have been worth it. Your best friend could die, your fiancee could be raped, because of laws that you support; and you'd still say "it's worth it in the long run".

*barf*

Pardon me if I prefer criminals to die in the act and good citizens to be free to defend their families.

 

[bfdd]

A world with or without nuclear bombs doesn't make any difference at all, it's a world without people that are willing to use nuclear bombs that you are seeking. Instead of trying to ban guns, you ilk needs to be trying to ban criminals. The fruitlessness of that has already been seen, so they have moved on to violating citizens rights.

It's the argument we use to constantly to show the fruitlessness of the Drug War. It's funny when people will use a certain train of logic for one argument then completely forget it in another.

 

[HAL9000]

It's the argument we use to constantly to show the fruitlessness of the Drug War. It's funny when people will use a certain train of logic for one argument then completely forget it in another.

Bad people exist. If bad people have guns there are problems.

 

[xj0hnx]

Accidents can't happen if they don't have the weapons.

Also bad people exist, fact.

the whole "accidents" angle is bullshit too. Maybe we should wrap all humans in bubble wrap and put them in padded rooms for life. Car accidents take more lives than guns.

You're right, bad people do exist, this IS a fact, we need to be able to defend ourselves from them. Thanks for helping make my point.

 

[HAL9000]

Actually a world without nuclear weapons as a deterrent is a world with conventional World Wars, but I digress.

And when you tell me how you plan to get rid of all 270,000,000+ guns in America without causing more deaths at the hands of criminals, I will join the gun control crowd. In the meantime your opinion is simply your moralistic whining that runs contrary to reality.

You support laws that deny self defense to your neighbor because of the supposed superiority of your morality. All so at some hypothetical date the world will be peaceful forever, and the extra deaths we endured in the meantime will have been worth it. Your best friend could die, your fiancee could be raped, because of laws that you support; and you'd still say "it's worth it in the long run".

*barf*

Pardon me if I prefer criminals to die in the act and good citizens to be free to defend their families.

In a better world america would not have guns, we need to work towards it, it will take a long time, but the start is stopping people owning guns. Maybe the very first thing would be stopping people owning pistols, machine guns, SMGs etc. So they have a single shot rifle or a shotgun, not something that you can take into a shop and kill people with easily.

 

[QuantumPion]

It obviously isn't the guns fault, they are inanimate objects. It's also not the nuclear bombs fault, but a world without nuclear weapons is a better world. A country without guns is a better country... Less needless deaths.

In a better world america would not have guns, we need to work towards it, it will take a long time, but the start is stopping people owning guns. Maybe the very first thing would be stopping people owning pistols, machine guns, SMGs etc. So they have a single shot rifle or a shotgun, not something that you can take into a shop and kill people with easily.

Maybe the world would be a better place if guns and nuclear weapons were never invented (I disagree). But you can't uninvent them. Pandora's box is already open. The best you can hope to achieve is an even playing field where the good and law abiding people of the world have the deterrent and ability to defend themselves against the criminal and the evil. Any attempt to get rid of these weapons is inherently futile. You can only disarm the good and law abiding.

 

[HAL9000]

the whole "accidents" angle is bullshit too. Maybe we should wrap all humans in bubble wrap and put them in padded rooms for life. Car accidents take more lives than guns.

You're right, bad people do exist, this IS a fact, we need to be able to defend ourselves from them. Thanks for helping make my point.

You wouldn't need to defend yourself if the bad people didn't have a gun!... Sort it out America.

 

[HAL9000]

Maybe the world would be a better place if guns and nuclear weapons were never invented (I disagree). But you can't uninvent them. Pandora's box is already open. The best you can hope to achieve is an even playing field where the good and law abiding people of the world have the deterrent and ability to defend themselves against the criminal and the evil. Any attempt to get rid of these weapons is inherently futile. You can only disarm the good and law abiding.

This argument only applies to the US. The UK has reached that goal, where a very very very small percentage of the population own an illegal gun.

 

[Brigandier]

This argument only applies to the US. The UK has reached that goal, where a very very very small percentage of the population own an illegal gun.

There are a small percentage of Americans owning an illegal gun too. That small percentage also performs a lot of the other illegal behavior, leading to illegal things happening with illegal guns. Legal guns are a risk, and a liability, but they are also an insurance against illegal guns.

 

[bfdd]

You wouldn't need to defend yourself if the bad people didn't have a gun!... Sort it out America.

Why wouldn't we have to defend ourselves? Are you implying that attacks on others only happen because of guns? What about the increase in knife attacks in your country? Are those caused by we Americans owning guns?

 

[xj0hnx]

You wouldn't need to defend yourself if the bad people didn't have a gun!... Sort it out America.

No dummy, if someone comes at me with a knife, I shoot them.

This argument only applies to the US. The UK has reached that goal, where a very very very small percentage of the population own an illegal gun.

Than the UK hasn't reached it's goal, unless people still being killed by guns is your goal.

 

[irishScott]

In a better world america would not have guns, we need to work towards it, it will take a long time, but the start is stopping people owning guns. Maybe the very first thing would be stopping people owning pistols, machine guns, SMGs etc. So they have a single shot rifle or a shotgun, not something that you can take into a shop and kill people with easily.

Yes, and in that better world guns would still be legal. People just wouldn't need them.

Once again you show your naivete. One shot is hardly enough for self defense. Under stress you lose a shitload of accuracy.

As for the mass killing then they'll use knives like they have in the past, as the mass killer did in China for a recent example. And he did that with a kitchen knife.

You don't want people to stop commiting crimes, all you care about is that they don't have the capability to commit crimes. You don't want to trust your neighbors, you want them on a leash.

Your solution to bad people is not to address the bad people, it's to address everyone. You're willing to punish and in some cases indirectly kill the innocent to chase down the bad guys. That is sickening.

 

[Brigandier]

Yes, and in that better world guns would still be legal. People just wouldn't need them.

Once again you show your naivete. One shot is hardly enough for self defense. Under stress you lose a shitload of accuracy.

As for the mass killing then they'll use knives like they have in the past, as the mass killer did in China for a recent example. And he did that with a kitchen knife.

You don't want people to stop commiting crimes, all you care about is that they don't have the capability to kill you. You don't want to trust your neighbors, you want them on a leash.

Your solution to bad people is not to address the bad people, it's to address everyone. You're willing to punish and in some cases indirectly kill the innocent to chase down the bad guys. That is sickening.

I think now you see why George Orwell wrote all the words he wrote, he saw his countrymen for what they were.

 

[HAL9000]

There are a small percentage of Americans owning an illegal gun too. That small percentage also performs a lot of the other illegal behavior, leading to illegal things happening with illegal guns. Legal guns are a risk, and a liability, but they are also an insurance against illegal guns.

Yep, but 25% of American's wouldn't need to defend them selves if only 0.5% of Americans illegally owned a gun.

Why wouldn't we have to defend ourselves? Are you implying that attacks on others only happen because of guns? What about the increase in knife attacks in your country? Are those caused by we Americans owning guns?

I'm implying that Gun attacks only happen because of Gun laws.

No dummy, if someone comes at me with a knife, I shoot them.

OK

Than the UK hasn't reached it's goal, unless people still being killed by guns is your goal.

OK

 

[HAL9000]

Yes, and in that better world guns would still be legal. People just wouldn't need them.

Once again you show your naivete. One shot is hardly enough for self defense. Under stress you lose a shitload of accuracy.

As for the mass killing then they'll use knives like they have in the past, as the mass killer did in China for a recent example. And he did that with a kitchen knife.

You don't want people to stop commiting crimes, all you care about is that they don't have the capability to commit crimes. You don't want to trust your neighbors, you want them on a leash.

Your solution to bad people is not to address the bad people, it's to address everyone. You're willing to punish and in some cases indirectly kill the innocent to chase down the bad guys. That is sickening.

I want criminals on a leash, fuck everyone else if thats the only way to do that. It would be better for the majority if guns were illegal, Fuck those who just want guns because.

 

[BoberFett]

LOL. England. Ugliest mother fuckers on the planet, and apparently the dumbest too.

 

[Brigandier]

Yep, but 25% of American's wouldn't need to defend them selves if only 0.5% of Americans illegally owned a gun.

If fewer people own guns, the power of guns increases, so more would need to be armed to successfully defend. It's a bit of a Catch-22, but hey, c'est la vie.

 

[irishScott]

I want criminals on a leash, fuck everyone else if thats the only way to do that. It would be better for the majority if guns were illegal, Fuck those who just want guns because.

Yep, that's going in my sig. Machiavelli reborn here everyone. The ends justify the means to this Brit. ^^^

 

[xj0hnx]

Yep, but 25% of American's wouldn't need to defend them selves if only 0.5% of Americans illegally owned a gun.

This isn't even a logical conclusion for a monkey to make. If there were no guns people would still attack others, you said it yourself, bad people exist. The idea that if there were no guns crime would disappear is preposterous.

I'm implying that Gun attacks only happen because of Gun laws.

Um ...no, not even close. gun attacks happen because criminals don't follow the law, it has nothing to do with guns.

OK

Hiding doesn't help your position.

 

[xj0hnx]

I want criminals on a leash, fuck everyone else if thats the only way to do that. It would be better for the majority if guns were illegal, Fuck those who just want guns because.

Fuck you.

Oh, and thanks for showing your true colors.

 

[HAL9000]

LOL. England. Ugliest mother fuckers on the planet, and apparently the dumbest too.

And America is full of fat useless gun owning pricks apparently.. Like you.

If fewer people own guns, the power of guns increases, so more would need to be armed to successfully defend. It's a bit of a Catch-22, but hey, c'est la vie.

I agree that the power of owning a gun would increase but the probability that you would need to defend yourself against a gun would also decrease, thus meaning that owning a gun is less and less necessary.

 

[xj0hnx]

And America is full of fat useless gun owning pricks apparently.. Like you.

You really are quite a fucktard aren't you?

I agree that the power of owning a gun would increase but the probability that you would need to defend yourself against a gun would also decrease, thus meaning that owning a gun is less and less necessary.

So much failure here. Crime doesn't occur because guns exist you retard.

 

[HAL9000]

Yep, that's going in my sig. Machiavelli reborn here everyone. The ends justify the means to this Brit. ^^^

The ends do justify the means if the means are removing guns from people who want them because they like guns.

This isn't even a logical conclusion for a monkey to make. If there were no guns people would still attack others, you said it yourself, bad people exist. The idea that if there were no guns crime would disappear is preposterous.

I didn't say crime would disappear I said gun crime would.

Um ...no, not even close. gun attacks happen because criminals don't follow the law, it has nothing to do with guns.

Yes it does, if criminals find it more and more difficult to get hold of guns then the number of criminals who own guns would decrease.

Hiding doesn't help your position.

Fuck you.

Oh, and thanks for showing your true colors.

My true colours? What you mean the colours that I don't give a shit if you get your gun taken away if it means lives will be saved, Yep. that's true alright.

 

[HAL9000]

You really are quite a fucktard aren't you?



So much failure here. Crime doesn't occur because guns exist you retard.

Welcome to my ignore list, you aren't worth my responses.

 

[Brigandier]

I agree that the power of owning a gun would increase but the probability that you would need to defend yourself against a gun would also decrease, thus meaning that owning a gun is less and less necessary.

That's not true, the protection from criminals is always necessary, the fastest response a society can have to crime is on a personal level. The types of criminals would just change in the society you advocate, allowing the same types of criminals as we have today, but also bureaucratic criminals that because they have the power of legal guns they leverage it to advantage.

Imagine being in a low tax generating area and expecting suitable defense against crime.