White House seeks help of "allies" barred from Iraq contracts in Regards to Iraq Debt/Reconstruction/Security
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So let me get this straight. The pentagon excludes France, Germany and Russia from any reconstruction contracts in Iraq yesterday, citing "...security concerns..." and today Dubya has to call them to ask them to forgive Iraqi debts? Wow, that takes balls. Good lord, where did this administration learn its diplomacy "skills?"
You really think an insult like that will prod them to make concessions? That seems unrealistic to say the least.
And it is not insulting to the US taxpayer that they demand to be in bidding process, when they have been less than friends they should be?
The right call has been made.
So those Canadians who died helping us in Afghanistan insulted us? How about the French and German troops in Afghanistan? all insults to the US I suppose?
Well this does not appear to be about reconstruction dollars for afganistan. Sorry they should not be getting US tax dollars for Iraq reconstruction.
And given that they still can be used sub contractors, i just dont see a problem.
what's so surprising? Can't seem to separate Iraq from Afghanistan? Well, one is in the Middle East. The other, in Central Asia.
As for the debts, they are independent of Reconstruction efforts.
Well, I guess don't be surprised then when our allies tell us to f off. Allies? We don't need no stinkin' allies. We've got Micronesia, baby! Oh and Kerplankistan too!
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Well, I guess don't be surprised then when our allies tell us to f off. Allies? We don't need no stinkin' allies. We've got Micronesia, baby! Oh and Kerplankistan too!
I am not sure, but i think they already have. I would not list france as a friend.
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Well, I guess don't be surprised then when our allies tell us to f off. Allies? We don't need no stinkin' allies. We've got Micronesia, baby! Oh and Kerplankistan too!
Don't forget our most important ally....Madeupistan!
No, it's not surprising that charrison doesn't see a problem with pretty much anything this admistration does...
They certainly were after 9/11...
Oh, and Dari, are you still upset over the streets in France "smelling like open ass"?
I'm shocked that you still remember that
. But, yes, the French are quite disgusting. I hear they have cannibals over there who take a phrase like "Eat me" literally. One is on trial right now.Originally posted by: Dari
I'm shocked that you still remember that
errr thats germany
Originally posted by: Dari
I'm shocked that you still remember that
it seems to me that your mentor has problems with his geography
it's Germany
Dari - <<As for the debts, they are independent of Reconstruction efforts.>>
One could argue that the elimination of debt would help immensly with reconstruction. One could also argue that the reconstruction efforts are independent of the war.
Insane3D - <<No, it's not surprising that charrison doesn't see a problem with pretty much anything this admistration does...>>
Agreed.
freegeeks - <<it seems to me that your mentor has problems with his geography...it's Germany>>
One could argue that the elimination of debt would help immensly with reconstruction. One could also argue that the reconstruction efforts are independent of the war.
Insane3D - <<No, it's not surprising that charrison doesn't see a problem with pretty much anything this admistration does...>>
Agreed.
freegeeks - <<it seems to me that your mentor has problems with his geography...it's Germany>>
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Since it's the American Taxpayers money going to rebuild Iraq wouldn't be prudent to give these contracts to the Company who gives us the best deal despite their nationality? Why should we give sweetheart deals to American, Japanese and British companies, they aren't representatives of those governments (well maybe with the exception of Halliburton) If it's my money that is going to rebuild Iraq I want the best deal we can get, no matter where to company is from. Isn't that the American Capitalistic way?
one thing you forget is, that the money we're talking about for the reconstruction is not strictly the US taxpayers money, it is the reconstruction money collected on an INTERNATIONAL fundraising meeting, and minor other events, even the nations that were strongly against the war have donated money to this, okay the US has donated quite a lot, but if you compare donation with the BNP (dunno the english term, BNP is the income of a country so to say) US has gives only about as much as the rest of the donators. this money went all into a reconstruction fund, and that fund is used to pay for the rebuilding of iraq, now if the contracts are given to US companies, the net result will be a transfer of all those funds into the US economy, this would mean that the US as gouvernement would recover quite a bit of their expenses into the fund (taxes etc) and that the whole income of the country (so not just the gouvernement) would be massively increased, the originally donated money all flows back into US economy, together with all donated money from the other country's we're talking billions here ppls, if there would not be for a backdoor such as subcontractors this would be one of the most massive scale scams ever set up by man. a huge money transfer from countries that did not agree with the US on the war towards all countries that did agree with the US on the war.
this is just my economic point of view (I study economics) I am not judging anyone, every country screws every other country over in order to get their economy better, but I'm just pointing out the facts for some shouters that scream "our US taxmoney aint going to those french bavoons" that they better realise it's the other way around, and I'd rather mind if all MY taxmoney goes to those US bavoons (no offence intended )
If you would just use the principles of economy, and go with the contractor that offers the best bang for teh buck the economy would be socially rearranged I guess, since the poorest countries will have the lowest wages and will be able to offer the best deal if it goes about manual labour. wheras countries with natural richesses (metal, steel, sand) will get the better deals on those, in general there will be some wo will earn more than they spent, and some will loose more than they have spent.
if you would be so concerned about the US taxpayers money, then you would need to find a way to devide the reconstruction fund into parts, and have in fact then each country spend their fund on actual reconstruction efforts instead in teh fund, this is however limiting because some countries might have no industry that is usable in the reconstruction of iraq while they have spent money in the reconstruction fund, but since they wouldnt have gotten any contracts using the previous method anyway, they would allways remain just generous donators.
to red dawn: the capitalistic way would be possibility number two.
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this is just my economic point of view (I study economics) I am not judging anyone, every country screws every other country over in order to get their economy better, but I'm just pointing out the facts for some shouters that scream "our US taxmoney aint going to those french bavoons" that they better realise it's the other way around, and I'd rather mind if all MY taxmoney goes to those US bavoons
(no offence intended ) If you would just use the principles of economy, and go with the contractor that offers the best bang for teh buck the economy would be socially rearranged I guess, since the poorest countries will have the lowest wages and will be able to offer the best deal if it goes about manual labour. wheras countries with natural richesses (metal, steel, sand) will get the better deals on those, in general there will be some wo will earn more than they spent, and some will loose more than they have spent.
if you would be so concerned about the US taxpayers money, then you would need to find a way to devide the reconstruction fund into parts, and have in fact then each country spend their fund on actual reconstruction efforts instead in teh fund, this is however limiting because some countries might have no industry that is usable in the reconstruction of iraq while they have spent money in the reconstruction fund, but since they wouldnt have gotten any contracts using the previous method anyway, they would allways remain just generous donators.
to red dawn: the capitalistic way would be possibility number two.
edit, some teh -> the (if u see more tell me
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