White House Grounds Contaminated

piasabird

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It seems that during the 8 years of the Clinton Era the staff used a sewage sludge as fertilizer at the White House and now there are elevated levels of Lead in the soil.

So what do you do? Do you put the White House Grounds on a list of conaminated super-sites? Do you sue Bill Clinton for contaminating the White House Grounds?

http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/92869/?fp=1

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Fear No Evil

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Originally posted by: piasabird
It seems that during the 8 years of the Clinton Era the staff used a sewage sludge as fertilizer at the White House and now there are elevated levels of Lead in the soil.

So what do you do? Do you put the White House Grounds on a list of conaminated super-sites? Do you sue Bill Clinton for contaminating the White House Grounds?

http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/92869/?fp=1

Sue him? Clinton lied! People died! Put him in Gitmo!
 

UberNeuman

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"The likely source of the toxic sludge that has ruined Michelle's garden? The Clinton White House apparently used a sludge-based product to fertilize the lawn during the 1990s! "

This is good news. Now rightwingers get to admit that what humankind does to the earth does affect the planet...

 

cubeless

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this is good news... now ecowingonutzo's get to see that 'organic' might not be all it's cracked up to be...
 

Drakkon

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So does that mean during the last 8 years the Bush-es never even grew a....bush?
 

sapiens74

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: piasabird
It seems that during the 8 years of the Clinton Era the staff used a sewage sludge as fertilizer at the White House and now there are elevated levels of Lead in the soil.

So what do you do? Do you put the White House Grounds on a list of conaminated super-sites? Do you sue Bill Clinton for contaminating the White House Grounds?

http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/92869/?fp=1

Sue him? Clinton lied! People died! Put him in Gitmo!

Actually he was getting BJ's from fat chicks while Al Queda was decalring war on us

No need to sue...
 

UberNeuman

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Originally posted by: sapiens74
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: piasabird
It seems that during the 8 years of the Clinton Era the staff used a sewage sludge as fertilizer at the White House and now there are elevated levels of Lead in the soil.

So what do you do? Do you put the White House Grounds on a list of conaminated super-sites? Do you sue Bill Clinton for contaminating the White House Grounds?

http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/92869/?fp=1

Sue him? Clinton lied! People died! Put him in Gitmo!

Actually he was getting BJ's from fat chicks while Al Queda was decalring war on us

No need to sue...

I agree. Sue the new guy that was told attacks on the country were highly likely, then he went off to clean up shit around the ranch and play golf...

/see how easy that is...
 

chucky2

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Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: sapiens74
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: piasabird
It seems that during the 8 years of the Clinton Era the staff used a sewage sludge as fertilizer at the White House and now there are elevated levels of Lead in the soil.

So what do you do? Do you put the White House Grounds on a list of conaminated super-sites? Do you sue Bill Clinton for contaminating the White House Grounds?

http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/92869/?fp=1

Sue him? Clinton lied! People died! Put him in Gitmo!

Actually he was getting BJ's from fat chicks while Al Queda was decalring war on us

No need to sue...

I agree. Sue the new guy that was told attacks on the country were highly likely, then he went off to clean up shit around the ranch and play golf...

/see how easy that is...

This may be hard for a BDS'r to understand, but there's just a slight difference between passing up the chance to nab OBL, and getting some kind of intel that says an attack could happen, somewhere, at some time, in some manner....details to be forthcoming.

But, I can see how in your warped mind you'd think they're the same, or even more warped, the latter worse.

Chuck
 

UberNeuman

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Originally posted by: chucky2
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: sapiens74
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: piasabird
It seems that during the 8 years of the Clinton Era the staff used a sewage sludge as fertilizer at the White House and now there are elevated levels of Lead in the soil.

So what do you do? Do you put the White House Grounds on a list of conaminated super-sites? Do you sue Bill Clinton for contaminating the White House Grounds?

http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/92869/?fp=1

Sue him? Clinton lied! People died! Put him in Gitmo!

Actually he was getting BJ's from fat chicks while Al Queda was decalring war on us

No need to sue...

I agree. Sue the new guy that was told attacks on the country were highly likely, then he went off to clean up shit around the ranch and play golf...

/see how easy that is...

This may be hard for a BDS'r to understand, but there's just a slight difference between passing up the chance to nab OBL, and getting some kind of intel that says an attack could happen, somewhere, at some time, in some manner....details to be forthcoming.

But, I can see how in your warped mind you'd think they're the same, or even more warped, the latter worse.

Chuck

Nuance is lost on you...

/and sign Chuck to your postings more, it means... so much..
//a little more nuance for you....
 

Venix

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Seriously, what in the flying fuck does "O'Bamma" even mean? If it's some kind of play on words, I don't get it. The suspense is killing me, OP; explain!
 

UberNeuman

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Originally posted by: Venix
Seriously, what in the flying fuck does "O'Bamma" even mean? If it's some kind of play on words, I don't get it. The suspense is killing me, OP; explain!

It's means - It's means....

HE'S IRISH!!!!!

o'mygod!!!!! o'the o'potatoes o'will o'never o'be o'safe o'from o'the o'dreaded O'Bammies!!!
 

JSt0rm

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Originally posted by: cubeless
this is good news... now ecowingonutzo's get to see that 'organic' might not be all it's cracked up to be...

the grounds of the white house can never be certified organic so you have no point.
 

JSt0rm

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ohh and cubeless I have a test for you.

Go buy strawberries at your local grocers and then buy organic strawberries at a farmers market when they are in season (late spring, early summer) and tell me what you think.
 

Aegeon

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It turns out the story has been debunked.

But a lead reading of 93 ppm is "ridiculously low" for any urban garden, according to Dr. Gabriel Filippelli, chair of Geology at Indiana University, and associate chair of the Center for Environmental Health.

"It would be nearly impossible to find a garden anywhere with [a lead level] less than 93 ppm," Dr. Filippelli said, and added that it's absurd to claim contamination based on this test result...

This misinformation campaign has slithered around the blogosphere like a viral worm, but the only bit of truth in any of the stories is that the National Park Service did in fact test the White House Kitchen Garden for lead, and did in fact find that lead level reading of 93 parts per million. And Dr. Filippelli maintains that anyone suggesting the garden is contaminated based on a lead count of 93 ppm simply has no idea what he or she is talking about.

Dr. David L. Johnson, professor of Environmental Chemistry, Environmental Science, and Forestry at the State University of New York, agrees with Dr. Filippelli's assessment, and he adds that Washington, DC already has relatively low lead levels when compared to other cities that previously had heavy industry located within their borders. He said that lead testing is a good idea for all city gardens, so appropriate remediation measures can be taken to grow safe food if lead is present. But no remediation of the South Lawn, where the White House Kitchen Garden is situated, was indicated with a test result of 93 ppm.

"I have no concerns at all about growing vegetables in soil with a reading of 93 ppm," Dr. Johnson said...

He added that he and his colleagues recommend the same thing for lead readings of up to 200 ppm. "Most state day care centers identify 400 ppm as the dangerous level for exposure for children," Dr. Filippelli added, to give perspective.

It should be noted that almost every state agriculture extension agency in the US makes the same recommendation--that planting crops in soil with lead levels of between 200 and 400 ppm is no danger to human health.

Dr. Kimberly Gray agrees with both Dr. Filippelli and Dr. Johnson's assessments of the White House Kitchen Garden. She's the Director of the Environmental Sciences Program at Northwestern University, as well as Associate Director of the Institute of Environmental Catalysis, and has spent a lot of research time figuring out remediation solutions for environments that actually are heavily contaminated. She said she's frequently seen areas in Chicago with lead levels between 5,000 and 10,000 ppm. She noted that calling the White House Kitchen Garden "contaminated" based on a lead count of 93 ppm is "about politics, not lead."

"It's inflammatory," Dr. Gray said. "93 ppm is well below background lead for an urban environment. It's what you'd expect just from atmospheric deposition." Atmospheric deposition is lead particles that fall out of the sky, from things like auto emissions.

Dr. Filippelli said that the ppm reading for the White House Kitchen Garden is most likely even lower than the actual 93 level the garden has been tagged with, because not all lead that's actually present in the soil is bioavailable--capable of being absorbed by food crops. Dr. Gray agreed; both have studied the different ways various crops absorb lead.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...xic-abou_b_224854.html

It other words we're talking about essentially safe levels of lead which presumably came from atmospheric contamination and not from sludge used as fertilizer.

 

compuwiz1

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: piasabird
It seems that during the 8 years of the Clinton Era the staff used a sewage sludge as fertilizer at the White House and now there are elevated levels of Lead in the soil.

So what do you do? Do you put the White House Grounds on a list of conaminated super-sites? Do you sue Bill Clinton for contaminating the White House Grounds?

http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/92869/?fp=1

Sue him? Clinton lied! People died! Put him in Gitmo!

Sorry to be the one to break it to you, but a few million sperm going down the gullet of a Whitehouse intern doesn't constitute people dying. :laugh:

 

CitizenKain

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Originally posted by: chucky2
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: sapiens74
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: piasabird
It seems that during the 8 years of the Clinton Era the staff used a sewage sludge as fertilizer at the White House and now there are elevated levels of Lead in the soil.

So what do you do? Do you put the White House Grounds on a list of conaminated super-sites? Do you sue Bill Clinton for contaminating the White House Grounds?

http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/92869/?fp=1

Sue him? Clinton lied! People died! Put him in Gitmo!

Actually he was getting BJ's from fat chicks while Al Queda was decalring war on us

No need to sue...

I agree. Sue the new guy that was told attacks on the country were highly likely, then he went off to clean up shit around the ranch and play golf...

/see how easy that is...

This may be hard for a BDS'r to understand, but there's just a slight difference between passing up the chance to nab OBL, and getting some kind of intel that says an attack could happen, somewhere, at some time, in some manner....details to be forthcoming.

But, I can see how in your warped mind you'd think they're the same, or even more warped, the latter worse.

Chuck

What is that, chucky making things up to cover for Bush? Never would have seen that.
 

Lemon law

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In other breaking news, its been found the the white house garden contains 999,900 parts per million plain old dirt, and hence have dirty
properties know to soil clothes. And can turn to mud if enough water is added.
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: Aegeon
It turns out the story has been debunked.

But a lead reading of 93 ppm is "ridiculously low" for any urban garden, according to Dr. Gabriel Filippelli, chair of Geology at Indiana University, and associate chair of the Center for Environmental Health.

"It would be nearly impossible to find a garden anywhere with [a lead level] less than 93 ppm," Dr. Filippelli said, and added that it's absurd to claim contamination based on this test result...

This misinformation campaign has slithered around the blogosphere like a viral worm, but the only bit of truth in any of the stories is that the National Park Service did in fact test the White House Kitchen Garden for lead, and did in fact find that lead level reading of 93 parts per million. And Dr. Filippelli maintains that anyone suggesting the garden is contaminated based on a lead count of 93 ppm simply has no idea what he or she is talking about.

Dr. David L. Johnson, professor of Environmental Chemistry, Environmental Science, and Forestry at the State University of New York, agrees with Dr. Filippelli's assessment, and he adds that Washington, DC already has relatively low lead levels when compared to other cities that previously had heavy industry located within their borders. He said that lead testing is a good idea for all city gardens, so appropriate remediation measures can be taken to grow safe food if lead is present. But no remediation of the South Lawn, where the White House Kitchen Garden is situated, was indicated with a test result of 93 ppm.

"I have no concerns at all about growing vegetables in soil with a reading of 93 ppm," Dr. Johnson said...

He added that he and his colleagues recommend the same thing for lead readings of up to 200 ppm. "Most state day care centers identify 400 ppm as the dangerous level for exposure for children," Dr. Filippelli added, to give perspective.

It should be noted that almost every state agriculture extension agency in the US makes the same recommendation--that planting crops in soil with lead levels of between 200 and 400 ppm is no danger to human health.

Dr. Kimberly Gray agrees with both Dr. Filippelli and Dr. Johnson's assessments of the White House Kitchen Garden. She's the Director of the Environmental Sciences Program at Northwestern University, as well as Associate Director of the Institute of Environmental Catalysis, and has spent a lot of research time figuring out remediation solutions for environments that actually are heavily contaminated. She said she's frequently seen areas in Chicago with lead levels between 5,000 and 10,000 ppm. She noted that calling the White House Kitchen Garden "contaminated" based on a lead count of 93 ppm is "about politics, not lead."

"It's inflammatory," Dr. Gray said. "93 ppm is well below background lead for an urban environment. It's what you'd expect just from atmospheric deposition." Atmospheric deposition is lead particles that fall out of the sky, from things like auto emissions.

Dr. Filippelli said that the ppm reading for the White House Kitchen Garden is most likely even lower than the actual 93 level the garden has been tagged with, because not all lead that's actually present in the soil is bioavailable--capable of being absorbed by food crops. Dr. Gray agreed; both have studied the different ways various crops absorb lead.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...xic-abou_b_224854.html

It other words we're talking about essentially safe levels of lead which presumably came from atmospheric contamination and not from sludge used as fertilizer.


OP = pwned

:laugh:

 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Is it just me or does the OP seem pleased?

After I read about this on Yahoo, I wondered how certain ATP&N forum members would try to turn the subject into an Obama\Democrat\liberal\ etc bashing thread.
 

Patranus

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Originally posted by: UberNeuman
"The likely source of the toxic sludge that has ruined Michelle's garden? The Clinton White House apparently used a sludge-based product to fertilize the lawn during the 1990s! "

This is good news. Now rightwingers get to admit that what humankind does to the earth does affect the planet...

All I have to say is....

MTBE
 

cubeless

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Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
ohh and cubeless I have a test for you.

Go buy strawberries at your local grocers and then buy organic strawberries at a farmers market when they are in season (late spring, early summer) and tell me what you think.

ohhh... and all i was doing was being a bit ironical about the previous post with my comment...

as soon as we get rid of cities and go back to collective farms we can all have organic food as we'll be growing it ourselves... yummy strawberries for all!!!