white house decides to respect privacy

norseamd

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yah this whole thing is a total mess

not even going to bother listening to what they say

hopefully some website will look everything up for us and tell us what exactly is going on
 

SaurusX

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So I guess the NSA data center in Utah won't be needed anymore. Oh what? They'll still need it? Hmm...
 

dank69

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,... this is Obama's last term.

???
Don't you know? Obama is going to remove Presidential term limits by executive order.

If any of this actually happens, I look forward to small government conservatives blaming this legislation the next time we have a terroist attack. The Dictator-In-Chief tying LE hands behind their backs.
 

Newell Steamer

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Don't you know? Obama is going to remove Presidential term limits by executive order.

If any of this actually happens, I look forward to small government conservatives blaming this legislation the next time we have a terroist attack. The Dictator-In-Chief tying LE hands behind their backs.

1st ACA,.... next, totalitarian and obsolute rule.... yes. I see it now,.. in the borchure he sent me when I voted for him.

And, look at that! I should be calling him Our Dear Leader, says so at the bottom of page 2!
 

fleshconsumed

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The article has extremely misleading title. No one is proposing to end NSA phone call sweep, the US government (I say US government because I believe both D and R are complicit on this) is simply proposing that the task of record collection and holding is shifted to the actual phone companies. While it sounds good in theory - the big evil government is no longer monitoring and collecting your phone calls - in the end nothing changes. The phone calls are still collected, and the government can still access them on a whim retroactively. The end result is the same - the government has access to all of your data, present and the past. One could argue that it will provide stronger protection because now US government might actually require court order to get access to the data, but given the past revelations about NSA, I'm sure the regular court system will be circumvented in favor of "special secret courts" that will rubber-stamp anything that comes across.

If this does come to pass, part of me really wishes the phone companies would put "NSA data collection fee" as a line item on the bill to remind the citizens of the constant surveillance and its cost to us. Would be nice way to kick the citizens in the balls when we're already down.
 

boomerang

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More lies from our pathological liar-in-chief. How anyone could believe anything that comes out of this man's mouth is beyond me.

"If you like your plan, you can keep your plan-period." Just one of countless other lies.
 

glenn1

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Thebobo

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More lies from our pathological liar-in-chief. How anyone could believe anything that comes out of this man's mouth is beyond me.

"If you like your plan, you can keep your plan-period." Just one of countless other lies.

"I am not a crook!"

"I don't remember"

"No more taxes!"

"mission accomplished!"
 

kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
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"I am not a crook!"

"I don't remember"

"No more taxes!"

"mission accomplished!"



Quiet you, your perfectly relevant examples will interfere with some people's urge to get frothy about the mouth. How dare you bring history into this!


;)
 

who?

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The phone companies may need to lease the NSA data storage center in Utah.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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More likely translation: "the program doesn't work and costs a ton of money, so we'll make a big deal about shutting it down and try to make the President look good doing so even though it's something that should have been done 6 years ago."

Shutting down? I don't think so. Some modification, but note the net is cast wider. Of course FISA will have oversight of an organization it won't properly supervise but one could pretend this is improving.

I note that Obama met with companies before this "reform" and they were largely disgusted with the window dressing. Obama lied about this and it's not going to get better.
 

Jhhnn

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Remarkable how much abuse can be heaped on a person when they decide to do the right thing. It's truly poisonous partisanship at its most vehement.
 

Matt1970

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IronWing

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Jul 20, 2001
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The article has extremely misleading title. No one is proposing to end NSA phone call sweep, the US government (I say US government because I believe both D and R are complicit on this) is simply proposing that the task of record collection and holding is shifted to the actual phone companies. While it sounds good in theory - the big evil government is no longer monitoring and collecting your phone calls - in the end nothing changes. The phone calls are still collected, and the government can still access them on a whim retroactively. The end result is the same - the government has access to all of your data, present and the past. One could argue that it will provide stronger protection because now US government might actually require court order to get access to the data, but given the past revelations about NSA, I'm sure the regular court system will be circumvented in favor of "special secret courts" that will rubber-stamp anything that comes across.

If this does come to pass, part of me really wishes the phone companies would put "NSA data collection fee" as a line item on the bill to remind the citizens of the constant surveillance and its cost to us. Would be nice way to kick the citizens in the balls when we're already down.
This. The telcos will now charge the taxpayers to store the data the telcos used to store on their own dime. A crony capitalist solution to a Stalinist problem.