White House admits that some information was not accurate . .

CaptnKirk

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New York Times

Well, it seems that they didn't think they would be caught, or that the American Public would even care.

Exerpts:

The White House acknowledged for the first time today that President Bush was relying on incomplete and perhaps inaccurate information from American intelligence agencies when he declared, in his State of the Union speech, that Saddam Hussein had tried to purchase uranium from Africa.

The acknowledgment came after a day of questions ? and sometimes contradictory answers from White House officials ? about an article published on the Op-Ed page of The <ORG value="NYT" idsrc="NYSE"><ALT-CODE value="New York Times" idsrc="NYSE" />New York Times</ORG> on Sunday by Joseph C. Wilson 4th, a former ambassador who was sent to Niger, in West Africa, last year to investigate reports of the attempted purchase. He reported back that the intelligence was likely fraudulent, a warning that White House officials say never reached them.

But even then, White House officials made no effort to correct the president's remarks. Indeed, as recently as a few weeks ago they were arguing that Mr. Bush had quite deliberately avoided mentioning Niger, and noted that he had spoken more generally about efforts to obtain "yellowcake," the substance from which uranium is extracted, from African nations.

White House officials would not say, however, how the statement was approved. They have suggested that the Central Intelligence Agency approved the wording, though the C.I.A. has said none of its senior leaders had reviewed it. Other key members of the administration said the information was discounted early on, and that by the time the president delivered the State of the Union address, there were widespread questions about the quality of the intelligence.
"We only found that out later," said one official involved in the speech.
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BaliBabyDoc

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Dude, this is so lame. It's like Clinton admitting he likes big butts . . . but not necessarily his wife's.
 

Piano Man

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Dude, this is so lame. It's like Clinton admitting he likes big butts . . . but not necessarily his wife's.



Ummm, no. Clinton lied about an affair, Bush lied so he could go to war.
 

AEB

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you guys are missing the point first of the state of the union is made in january or soemthing, and what bush actually said was in relation to BRITISH intellegence, not us. the liberal news media spins it agian.

2nd thing the war was based more on chemical and bio weapons than iraq buying uranium. no one even brought this statement up during the war and it wasnt on my mind whil we were fighting. and bush didnt lie!!!!!!!!!!
even the INSPECTORS said saddam still had WMD what more do you want
besides the french sold him all he needed for nukes.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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I will pretend I'm responding to an intelligent missive instead of misguided dribble. Check a reference to speeches given by Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice from March 2002 through January 2003. What do you think we were looking for at Tulawaitha . . . low-level nuclear waste?

Wilson's account makes it clear that Bush formed a conclusion and then sought confirmation. When you are told that information is suspect but you advance it as factual by using someone else's account . . . what do you call it?

This war was not about WMD . . . if you doubt it read the April 2002 issue of The New Yorker. Nicholas Lemann writes an incredibly prescient article about the invasion of Iraq (and the Next World Order) p.42-48.
 

AEB

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Quote from above article
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The White House acknowledgment comes as a British parliamentary commission questions the reliability of British intelligence about Saddam Hussein's efforts to obtain weapons of mass destruction in the run-up to the war in Iraq.
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thats all im saying the administration may have jumped on the intellegence too quickly instead of investigating it sooner but i dont belive bush knowingly lied
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Dude, when best evidence says your conclusions are wrong yet you continue to advocate a position (while denigrating those that imply you might be mistaken) . . . that's at least disingenuous . . . if you don't want to call it lying.

An intelligent person at least would have doubt . . . Bush exclaimed there was no doubt . . . despite multiple lines of evidence to the contrary.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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AEB, you must ask yourself why Bush would cite the Brits when he had already been informed that American intelligence was skeptical of the information? The Brits just repeat the claim based on the same documents the CIA discounted. Does that make sense to you . . . outside of plausible deniability?
 

jahawkin

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Originally posted by: AEB
it wasnt his conclusion , it was british intellegence

Who cares who Bush attributed the intelligence to. When Bush knows the intelligence is false, but then still cites the report in the State of the Union Address, he is lying.
If British intelligence tells Bush the earth is flat, then Bush tells the nation in a speech that he has evidence from the Brits that the earth is flat, who is the one lying?
 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: AEB
it wasnt his conclusion , it was british intellegence

It was British intelligence but both the CIA and State department told him it was most likely unreliable if not down right false and he still ran with it. Either he was conciously lying, or he was decieveing himself.
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: jahawkin
Originally posted by: AEB
it wasnt his conclusion , it was british intellegence

Who cares who Bush attributed the intelligence to. When Bush knows the intelligence is false, but then still cites the report in the State of the Union Address, he is lying.
If British intelligence tells Bush the earth is flat, then Bush tells the nation in a speech that he has evidence from the Brits that the earth is flat, who is the one lying?

LOL. It's all coming out now. Dems are gonna have a field day with this.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: AEB
you guys are missing the point first of the state of the union is made in january or soemthing, and what bush actually said was in relation to BRITISH intellegence, not us. the liberal news media spins it agian.
Funny, I just saw this story on the CBS evening news. They blithely repeated the Bush party line, it was an intelligence failure, Bush decided to go to war based on faulty intelligence, etc. Fox "News" would be proud. (By the way, the White House was advised of this forgery over a year ago, in March of 2002, long before the State of the Union address.)

2nd thing the war was based more on chemical and bio weapons than iraq buying uranium.
They don't appear to have those either. Get with the program, according to current Bushspeak, we went to war to liberate Iraqis, not because of their WMD prgram. War is peace.

no one even brought this statement up during the war and it wasnt on my mind whil we were fighting. and bush didnt lie!!!!!!!!!!
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even the INSPECTORS said saddam still had WMD what more do you want
No, they did not.

besides the french sold him all he needed for nukes.
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LunarRay

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
When do impeachment hearings begin?

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nallur

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The BBC is reporting that the CIA told the White House in March 2002. Here is a paragraph from the article:
Now the CIA has told the BBC that Mr Wilson's findings had been passed onto the White House as early as March 2002.

The entire article is reproduced below:
source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3056626.stm


Bush 'warned over uranium claim'
The CIA warned the US Government that claims about Iraq's nuclear ambitions were not true months before President Bush used them to make his case for war, the BBC has learned.

Doubts about a claim that Iraq had tried to buy uranium from the African state of Niger were aired 10 months before Mr Bush included the allegation in his key State of the Union address this year, the CIA has told the BBC.

On Tuesday, the White House for the first time officially acknowledged that the Niger claim was wrong and should not have been used in the president's State of the Union speech in January.

But the CIA has said that a former US diplomat had already established the claim was false in March 2002 - and that the information had been passed on to government departments, including the White House, well before Mr Bush mentioned it in the speech.

Ambassador's fact-finding

Both President Bush and UK Prime Minister Tony Blair mentioned the claim, based on British intelligence, that Iraq was trying to get uranium from Niger as part of its attempt to build a nuclear weapons programme.

Mr Blair is under fire from British MPs about the credibility of a dossier of evidence, which set out his case for war.

And in the US, increasing doubts are being raised about the American use of intelligence.

In his keynote speech to Congress in January, the President said: "The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

But the documents alleging a transaction were found to have been forged.

White House spokesman Ari Feischer said on Tuesday: "The president's statement was based on the predicate of the yellow cake [uranium] from Niger".

"So given the fact that the report on the yellow cake did not turn out to be accurate, that is reflective of the president's broader statement."

But a former diplomat, Ambassador Joseph Wilson, went on the record at the weekend to say that he had travelled to Africa to investigate the uranium claims and found no evidence to support them.

Now the CIA has told the BBC that Mr Wilson's findings had been passed onto the White House as early as March 2002.

That means that the administration would have known before the State of the Union address that the information was likely false - not just subsequently.

In response, a US government official told the BBC that the White House received hundreds of intelligence reports every day.

The official said there was no evidence that this specific cable about uranium had been passed on to the president.

But in Congress, Democrats are demanding a full investigation into the intelligence that underpinned the case for war.

They have demanded to know if President Bush used evidence that he knew to be weak or wrong.

British undeterred

The British Government has stood by its assertion, saying the forged documents were not the only evidence used to reach its conclusion that Saddam Hussein tried to buy uranium from Africa.

The Foreign Office said as recently as 29 June that British information was not based on the forgeries but on other sources.

And UK Prime Minister Tony Blair defended the assessment, telling a committee of MPs that it was not a "fantasy" and that the intelligence services themselves stood by the allegation.
 

sandorski

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I'm begining to think AEB is a libral(;) ) plant, you know, trying to make conservatives look bad. I hope he is, seems too clueless to be serious.
 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: AEB
you guys are missing the point first of the state of the union is made in january or soemthing, and what bush actually said was in relation to BRITISH intellegence, not us. the liberal news media spins it agian.

2nd thing the war was based more on chemical and bio weapons than iraq buying uranium. no one even brought this statement up during the war and it wasnt on my mind whil we were fighting. and bush didnt lie!!!!!!!!!!
even the INSPECTORS said saddam still had WMD what more do you want
besides the french sold him all he needed for nukes.

Okay, it is the "liberal media spin" when it reports anything that is not Bush friendly?

 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
Originally posted by: AEB
you guys are missing the point first of the state of the union is made in january or soemthing, and what bush actually said was in relation to BRITISH intellegence, not us. the liberal news media spins it agian.

2nd thing the war was based more on chemical and bio weapons than iraq buying uranium. no one even brought this statement up during the war and it wasnt on my mind whil we were fighting. and bush didnt lie!!!!!!!!!!
even the INSPECTORS said saddam still had WMD what more do you want
besides the french sold him all he needed for nukes.

Okay, it is the "liberal media spin" when it reports anything that is not Bush friendly?

Luny Ray - can I borrow a duck? :D

CkG
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
Originally posted by: AEB
you guys are missing the point first of the state of the union is made in january or soemthing, and what bush actually said was in relation to BRITISH intellegence, not us. the liberal news media spins it agian.

2nd thing the war was based more on chemical and bio weapons than iraq buying uranium. no one even brought this statement up during the war and it wasnt on my mind whil we were fighting. and bush didnt lie!!!!!!!!!!
even the INSPECTORS said saddam still had WMD what more do you want
besides the french sold him all he needed for nukes.

Okay, it is the "liberal media spin" when it reports anything that is not Bush friendly?

Luny Ray - can I borrow a duck? :D

CkG

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Moonbeam

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Sorry Caddy but you're disqualified. You have to know what a duck is to perform the duck test. You've never seen a liberal media in your life.
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Sorry Caddy but you're disqualified. You have to know what a duck is to perform the duck test. You've never seen a liberal media in your life.


I slipped him a piggy... with wings glued on... a conservative Duck... for the occasion... it'll work..:D
 

AEB

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i said bush should have looked into it before he opened his mouth maybe not on this thread but one of them, but bush didnt find out the intellegence was faulty untill he already spouted it.

Second Hans blix DID say he beleived iraq still had WMD, you missed it because it was while the war was going on.

Third the media is never bush friendly so its nothing new, i dont base it on the fact they bash bush. I dont like him as a president too much because he plays politics, but i do know he is better than gore.

I am also aware that the conservatives are moving to "war of liberation" but im not. I beleive there were WMD that just need to be found it hasnt been that long and there are still saddam loyalists in the country who could be hiding them. I however am an independant thinker and am not tied down to any affiliation.

That aside i think saddam was a threat if he was able to start a nuclear arms program i mean look at north korea. in addition he did fund terrorist ogrinizations. The US recently arrested a "religious leader" with hundreds of thousand of dollars in cash, papers talking about terrorist activites and a shrine devoted to saddam.
In the case we don't find WMD, which i deem unlikely at best, i will personally feel safer. all 9/11 took was funding.

EDIT: however i think its inconclusive to say weather or not the presient quoted flimsy intellegence, or if he knowlingy used false intellegence. that said col hunt says what needs to be done
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"I think there are some people that need to be fired -- starting with the [Director of Central Intelligence George] Tenet. This is bad. When they're blaming him publicly, and that's unheard of ... it can't be glossed over. The bureaucracy has got to knock this off. It can't happen anymore," he said.
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