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That's how U.S. soldier deaths in Iraq break down according to race/ethnicity (as of August 28).
http://web1.whs.osd.mil/MMID/CASUALTY/CASTOP.HTM
http://web1.whs.osd.mil/MMID/CASUALTY/CASTOP.HTM
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Geez, why is their ethnicity an issue? Interesting that all through the Reagen/Bush Sr. Era military deaths averaged about 1900 people a year, then when Clinton takes office it drops to an average of about 800. Even the self-inflicted deaths went way down.
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Could you kindly provide evidence that the US military census during 1992-2000 was half the census of 1980-1988 . . . thnx.
Originally posted by: Vespasian
That's how U.S. soldier deaths in Iraq break down according to race/ethnicity (as of August 28).
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
You gotta admire us crackers. We're dumb enough to keep on rushing in where others fear to tread.:Q
Seriously, I don't know what those stats mean. There are more whites over there in combat gear than any other race. What does it prove?
Originally posted by: KenGr
From the 2001 Department of Defense Report on Diversity in the Military:
Race/Ethnicity. In FY 2001, African Americans were equitably represented in the military overall. In the enlisted force, African Americans were overrepresented among NPS active duty accessions (20 percent) relative to the 18-24 year-old civilian population (14 percent). Hispanics, on the other hand, continued to be underrepresented, with 11 percent among NPS accessions compared with nearly 16 percent for comparable civilians. FY 2001 representation of "Other" minority enlisted accessions (Native Americans, Asians, and Pacific Islanders) stood at approximately 6 percent, slightly more than in the civilian population (5 percent). Not only did African Americans enlist in high proportions, but higher retention rates boosted their representation among Active Components enlisted members to 22 percent in contrast to the 13 percent of African Americans among 18-44 year-old civilians in the workforce. With more than 9 percent of active duty enlisted members counted as Hispanic, this ethnic minority maintained its low proportion relative to the comparable civilian population (13 percent).
Source: DOD Report
I would guess this hasn't changed much in the last year or two, but the 2002 report doesn't seem to be out yet.
Looks to me like casualty rates pretty much match up with the composition of the military, just like they did in Vietnam and everything in between. Having some exposure to the military and how they do business, I believe the US military is about the most color blind organization in our society.
Originally posted by: Vespasian
I just wanted to demonstrate that the U.S. military is probably the most representative institution in the country. But I forgot that most of the people who post in this forum are hateful ideologues.
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Maybe. But since the topic compares the percentages of "races" killed by Bush's policies in Iraq, and some people here are trying to suggest some "races" are sacrificing more than others, it's important to compare the percentages in the subject line against percentages in American society.
Originally posted by: KenGr
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Maybe. But since the topic compares the percentages of "races" killed by Bush's policies in Iraq, and some people here are trying to suggest some "races" are sacrificing more than others, it's important to compare the percentages in the subject line against percentages in American society.
I don't see the reason for this to relate to society as a whole. If blacks join the military in greater numbers than their representation in the population that's because they think it's a good opportunity for them. Hispanics and Asians join in lower numbers because they think it's not a good choice. In many large cities, white firemen and policemen die in greater numbers than the population distribution would indicate because that's the makeup of the forces, in spite of years of affirmative action. When you pick a vocation, you get the risk with it. Being a miner or a construction worker have similar risks to being in the military.
And I don't see what Bush's policies have to do with this. We've lost more military in terrorist attacks (which have been cut drastically since 9/11) than in the Iraqi wars. Were the 243 marines killed in Lebanon killed by Reagan's policies or was it Carter?
You gotta admire us crackers. We're dumb enough to keep on rushing in where others fear to tread.
Seriously, I don't know what those stats mean. There are more whites over there in combat gear than any other race. What does it prove?
Originally posted by: Ferocious
I wonder what percentage of the dead are from the upper class?
Or even upper middle class?
Originally posted by: Ferocious
I wonder what percentage of the dead are from the upper class?
Or even upper middle class?
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Ferocious
I wonder what percentage of the dead are from the upper class?
Or even upper middle class?
Why?
CkG
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Ferocious
I wonder what percentage of the dead are from the upper class?
Or even upper middle class?
Why?
CkG
He is implying that the people making the decisions to go to war have nothing personal (i.e. children) vested in it.
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Could you kindly provide evidence that the US military census during 1992-2000 was half the census of 1980-1988 . . . thnx.
I know you asked charrison but here is the DOD's numbers showing the significant decline in active military personnel.
ACTIVE COMPONENT ENLISTED FORCE
chart and totals of the same
1.82 million(1988) to 1.17 million(1998) Clinton left it at about 64% of Reagan's size. I consider that quite a significant drop
Enlisted Reserves also dropped about a quater million during the same time frame- from 988K to 745K.
CkG