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Whistle-Blower Outs NSA Spy Room

I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet.

Well, here we have it. More violation of our nation's laws in order to spy on ordinary Americans. Honest to God, I don't know why this country stands for one more single minute of this crap.

Whistle-Blower Outs NSA Spy Room

AT&T provided National Security Agency eavesdroppers with full access to its customers' phone calls, and shunted its customers' internet traffic to data-mining equipment installed in a secret room in its San Francisco switching center, according to a former AT&T worker cooperating in the Electronic Frontier Foundation's lawsuit against the company.

Mark Klein, a retired AT&T communications technician, submitted an affidavit in support of the EFF's lawsuit this week. That class action lawsuit, filed in federal court in San Francisco last January, alleges that AT&T violated federal and state laws by surreptitiously allowing the government to monitor phone and internet communications of AT&T customers without warrants.


On Wednesday, the EFF asked the court to issue an injunction prohibiting AT&T from continuing the alleged wiretapping, and filed a number of documents under seal, including three AT&T documents that purportedly explain how the wiretapping system works.

According to a statement released by Klein's attorney, an NSA agent showed up at the San Francisco switching center in 2002 to interview a management-level technician for a special job. In January 2003, Klein observed a new room being built adjacent to the room housing AT&T's #4ESS switching equipment, which is responsible for routing long distance and international calls.

"I learned that the person whom the NSA interviewed for the secret job was the person working to install equipment in this room," Klein wrote. "The regular technician work force was not allowed in the room."

Klein's job eventually included connecting internet circuits to a splitting cabinet that led to the secret room. During the course of that work, he learned from a co-worker that similar cabinets were being installed in other cities, including Seattle, San Jose, Los Angeles and San Diego.

"While doing my job, I learned that fiber optic cables from the secret room were tapping into the Worldnet (AT&T's internet service) circuits by splitting off a portion of the light signal," Klein wrote.

The split circuits included traffic from peering links connecting to other internet backbone providers, meaning that AT&T was also diverting traffic routed from its network to or from other domestic and international providers, according to Klein's statement.

The secret room also included data-mining equipment called a Narus STA 6400, "known to be used particularly by government intelligence agencies because of its ability to sift through large amounts of data looking for preprogrammed targets," according to Klein's statement.

Narus, whose website touts AT&T as a client, sells software to help internet service providers and telecoms monitor and manage their networks, look for intrusions, and wiretap phone calls as mandated by federal law.

Klein said he came forward because he does not believe that the Bush administration is being truthful about the extent of its extrajudicial monitoring of Americans' communications.

"Despite what we are hearing, and considering the public track record of this administration, I simply do not believe their claims that the NSA's spying program is really limited to foreign communications or is otherwise consistent with the NSA's charter or with FISA," Klein's wrote. "And unlike the controversy over targeted wiretaps of individuals' phone calls, this potential spying appears to be applied wholesale to all sorts of internet communications of countless citizens."

After asking for a preview copy of the documents last week, the government did not object to the EFF filing the paper under seal, although the EFF asked the court Wednesday to make the documents public.

One of the documents is titled "Study Group 3, LGX/Splitter Wiring, San Francisco," and is dated 2002. The others are allegedly a design document instructing technicians how to wire up the taps, and a document that describes the equipment installed in the secret room.

In a letter to the EFF, AT&T objected to the filing of the documents in any manner, saying that they contain sensitive trade secrets and could be "could be used to 'hack' into the AT&T network, compromising its integrity."

According to court rules, AT&T has until Thursday to file a motion to keep the documents sealed. The government could also step in to the case and request that the documents not be made public, or even that the entire lawsuit be barred under the seldom-used State Secrets Privilege.

AT&T spokesman Walt Sharp declined to comment on the allegations, citing a company policy of not commenting on litigation or matters of national security, but did say that "AT&T follows all laws following requests for assistance from government authorities."

Wired.com

My government is really starting to scare the sh!t out of me.
 
Horray for AT&T!!!
Its nice to see a major company give up information for the good of our nation!!
One nation under God!!
God Bless George Bush!!!
God Bless America!!!
 
:shocked:

and there are other rooms like this one in San Francisco??

christ almighty I hope this story gets checked out for sure!
 
If true, Bush is not only a liar but this HAS to be illegal.

Then again, the Bush Junta thinks it is above the law (and Constitution) and their tools in Congress are only too happy to go along.
 
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
If true, Bush is not only a liar but this HAS to be illegal.

Then again, the Bush Junta thinks it is above the law (and Constitution) and their tools in Congress are only too happy to go along.


But don't you see??? you have no civil rights if YOU'RE ALL DEAD!

:roll:

wiretapping = can o worms.
 
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
If true, Bush is not only a liar but this HAS to be illegal.

Then again, the Bush Junta thinks it is above the law (and Constitution) and their tools in Congress are only too happy to go along.


But don't you see??? you have no civil rights if YOU'RE ALL DEAD!

:roll:

wiretapping = can o worms.

I'm no particular fan of Democrats but it's hard to believe they could be worse. Bush has literally redefined disasterous Presidency. Jimmy Carter has moved up a spot.
 
Originally posted by: Apocalypse
Horray for AT&T!!!
Its nice to see a major company give up information for the good of our nation!!
One nation under God!!
God Bless George Bush!!!
God Bless America!!!

It's Stephen Colbert himself! 😀

If true, Bush is not only a liar but this HAS to be illegal.
It is.

Then again, the Bush Junta thinks it is above the law (and Constitution)
They do.

They aren't prisoners of war. They're enemy combatants.
It isn't torture, it's information extraction.:roll:

4th Amendment.
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

-- No probable cause is presented, yet the government is searching our electronic effects. Goes against the documents our nation was founded on.


Article VI, US Constitution
"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."


Sounds pretty clear. Bush admin has authorized searching of citizens' effects, which is illegal per the 4th Amendment. Article VI of the Constitution says that it is to be the supreme law of the land, and the President must also obey that law.


Presidential oath:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."

He has not defended the Constitution. He has violated parts of its very core. That counts as lying under oath.
Taking it a bit further:
treason
1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
2. A betrayal of trust or confidence.

Violation of allegiance toward one's country. He violated the US Constitution, the supreme law of the land, after swearing an oath to protect and defend it.
 
I met a gin soaked, bar-room queen in Memphis,
She tried to take me upstairs for a ride.
She had to heave me right across her shoulder
'Cause I just can't seem to drink you off my mind.

It's the beloved patriot tonk women
Gimme, gimme, gimme the beloved patriot tonk blues.

I played a divorcee in New York City,
I had to put up some kind of a fight.
The lady then she covered me with roses,
She blew my nose and then she blew my mind.

It's the beloved patriot tonk women
Gimme, gimme, gimme the beloved patriot tonk blues.

(Yeah!) It's the beloved patriot tonk women.
Gimme, gimme, gimme the beloved patriot tonk blues.

(Yeah!) It's the beloved patriot tonk women.
Gimme, gimme, gimme the beloved patriot tonk blues.
 
The funny thing is, my father in law was a Lucent 5EE switch tech for Lucent (retired now) that worked in AT&T switches. He told the wife and I years ago about this going on and we thought he was just being paranoid, which he sometimes can be. Its hard to beive it might have been true.
 
Originally posted by: Apocalypse
Horray for AT&T!!!
Its nice to see a major company give up information for the good of our nation!!
One nation under God!!
God Bless George Bush!!!
God Bless America!!!

Good grief.

It was the liberal hero President Clinton that introduced Omnivore, later renamed, Carnivore to allow the FBI to spy on every American citizen via the internet.

It was the liberal hero President Clinton that introduced to allow the FBI to spy on every American citizen's telephone conversations under the guise of anti-terrorism. Clinton presses for anti-terrorism tools

I say guise because the Clintons were given the FBI files of those who opposed them politically.

The only difference between liberals and myself is that liberals thought that Clinton spying on Americans was godlike but Bush spying on terrorists is Hitler like. :roll:

You supported these actions in the late 90's don't complain about them now.

 
Nice troll EN. But if you really would like to find out who started the whole "spying on Americans" fiasco, you have to go a lot further back than your "But Clinton" memory allows.
 
Your name is definitely apropos . . . expert novice.

From your link . . .
Sen. Minority Leader Tom Daschle, D-South Dakota, who has voiced concerns about the constitutionality of certain measures, urged the Congress be "expeditious and not rash," in adopting a stricter plan for fighting terrorism.
Sounds like a Democrat (and definitely a liberal) trying to keep the reigns on anti-terrorism provisions. Daschle got the boot but Democrats in Congress have been quite consistent . . . unlike the other side.

Seizing on a signal that Congress might relent on anti-terrorist tools that were denied him earlier this year, Clinton is asking Gingrich and other legislative leaders "to provide these additional protections."

"He'd like to give the FBI more tools so there will be no more bombing like at the Olympics," White House spokeswoman Mary Ellen Glynn said Monday.

Clinton told a veterans convention in New Orleans Sunday that he was encouraged by televised remarks by Gingrich that indicated a softening of resistance to expanding wiretapping and to requiring chemical markers in black powder explosives.
In essence, far more limited activities than the Patriot Act and certainly nothing in the ballpark of the NSA program . . . yet the GOP was opposed to such activities in '96 yet can scarcely approve curtailments of civil liberties fast enough in '06.
 
Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Originally posted by: Apocalypse
Horray for AT&T!!!
Its nice to see a major company give up information for the good of our nation!!
One nation under God!!
God Bless George Bush!!!
God Bless America!!!

Good grief.

It was the liberal hero President Clinton that introduced Omnivore, later renamed, Carnivore to allow the FBI to spy on every American citizen via the internet.

It was the liberal hero President Clinton that introduced to allow the FBI to spy on every American citizen's telephone conversations under the guise of anti-terrorism. Clinton presses for anti-terrorism tools

I say guise because the Clintons were given the FBI files of those who opposed them politically.

The only difference between liberals and myself is that liberals thought that Clinton spying on Americans was godlike but Bush spying on terrorists is Hitler like. :roll:

You supported these actions in the late 90's don't complain about them now.

QFT.

Q: What are all of these anti's going to say when they find out that the government has been doing things like this longggg before Bush?

A: they're going to ignore that fact and blame Bush anyways.
 
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Originally posted by: Apocalypse
Horray for AT&T!!!
Its nice to see a major company give up information for the good of our nation!!
One nation under God!!
God Bless George Bush!!!
God Bless America!!!

Good grief.

It was the liberal hero President Clinton that introduced Omnivore, later renamed, Carnivore to allow the FBI to spy on every American citizen via the internet.

It was the liberal hero President Clinton that introduced to allow the FBI to spy on every American citizen's telephone conversations under the guise of anti-terrorism. Clinton presses for anti-terrorism tools

I say guise because the Clintons were given the FBI files of those who opposed them politically.

The only difference between liberals and myself is that liberals thought that Clinton spying on Americans was godlike but Bush spying on terrorists is Hitler like. :roll:

You supported these actions in the late 90's don't complain about them now.

QFT.

Q: What are all of these anti's going to say when they find out that the government has been doing things like this longggg before Bush?

A: they're going to ignore that fact and blame Bush anyways.

And that justifies what's going on now how??
 
Originally posted by: palehorse74

QFT.

Q: What are all of these anti's going to say when they find out that the government has been doing things like this longggg before Bush?

A: they're going to ignore that fact and blame Bush anyways.

Q. Does the fact that others MIGHT HAVE done something that could be construed as similar mean that Bush should get a free ride when he has openly admitted to "doing the deed"?

A. Hell no!!!

Also, see my above post. I think that you are a member of the "But Clinton" memory span folk also. I think that I am going to come up with a new "disease" so that I can refer back to you and others like you for ease of typing......

I will, from this point refer to you all as having BCSS (Bill Clinton Stress Syndrome). I just hope that it doesn't migrate into the HCSS strain anytime in the near future. It could be deadly then.
 
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Originally posted by: Apocalypse
Horray for AT&T!!!
Its nice to see a major company give up information for the good of our nation!!
One nation under God!!
God Bless George Bush!!!
God Bless America!!!

Good grief.

It was the liberal hero President Clinton that introduced Omnivore, later renamed, Carnivore to allow the FBI to spy on every American citizen via the internet.

It was the liberal hero President Clinton that introduced to allow the FBI to spy on every American citizen's telephone conversations under the guise of anti-terrorism. Clinton presses for anti-terrorism tools

I say guise because the Clintons were given the FBI files of those who opposed them politically.

The only difference between liberals and myself is that liberals thought that Clinton spying on Americans was godlike but Bush spying on terrorists is Hitler like. :roll:

You supported these actions in the late 90's don't complain about them now.

QFT.

Q: What are all of these anti's going to say when they find out that the government has been doing things like this longggg before Bush?

A: they're going to ignore that fact and blame Bush anyways.


Seems to me .. if they have been doing all of this stuff for so long that they may heave let bin laden get away with 9/11 unless we really are that stupid.. or maybe al-qaeda isn't really responsible for 9/11?
 
Ummmm, earth to Palehorse, Palehorse come in. We certainly can't petition Clinton (or any other previous administration) to stop it now can we? Nope. But we can petition (or more likely SUE) the current administration to stop it.

Now you'd think that explanation would be self-evident, but Palehorse and the other wingnuts don't seem to get it. Or more likely, they can't stop apologizing long enough to allow logical thought to win out.
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Ummmm, earth to Palehorse, Palehorse come in. We certainly can't petition Clinton (or any other previous administration) to stop it now can we? Nope. But we can petition (or more likely SUE) the current administration to stop it.

Now you'd think that explanation would be self-evident, but Palehorse and the other wingnuts don't seem to get it. Or more likely, they can't stop apologizing long enough to allow logical thought to win out.
Or perhaps we see the situtation for what it is; and that it's not a sign of a pending Apocolypse as the anti's would have you believe.

it will be ok. shhh, shhh.. quiet down there little one. you're going to be ok. everything will be alright... want Daddy to sing you a lullaby?
 
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Ummmm, earth to Palehorse, Palehorse come in. We certainly can't petition Clinton (or any other previous administration) to stop it now can we? Nope. But we can petition (or more likely SUE) the current administration to stop it.

Now you'd think that explanation would be self-evident, but Palehorse and the other wingnuts don't seem to get it. Or more likely, they can't stop apologizing long enough to allow logical thought to win out.
Or perhaps we see the situtation for what it is; and that it's not a sign of a pending Apocolypse as the anti's would have you believe.

it will be ok. shhh, shhh.. quiet down there little one. you're going to be ok. everything will be alright... want Daddy to sing you a lullaby?
You see nothing beyond your apologies. If this was a democrat administration your position would be the exact opposite.

 
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Ummmm, earth to Palehorse, Palehorse come in. We certainly can't petition Clinton (or any other previous administration) to stop it now can we? Nope. But we can petition (or more likely SUE) the current administration to stop it.

Now you'd think that explanation would be self-evident, but Palehorse and the other wingnuts don't seem to get it. Or more likely, they can't stop apologizing long enough to allow logical thought to win out.
Or perhaps we see the situtation for what it is; and that it's not a sign of a pending Apocolypse as the anti's would have you believe.

it will be ok. shhh, shhh.. quiet down there little one. you're going to be ok. everything will be alright... want Daddy to sing you a lullaby?
You see nothing beyond your apologies. If this was a democrat administration your position would be the exact opposite.
I'm not a republican, nor is my voting history consistent with any one party.

GG.
 
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Ummmm, earth to Palehorse, Palehorse come in. We certainly can't petition Clinton (or any other previous administration) to stop it now can we? Nope. But we can petition (or more likely SUE) the current administration to stop it.

Now you'd think that explanation would be self-evident, but Palehorse and the other wingnuts don't seem to get it. Or more likely, they can't stop apologizing long enough to allow logical thought to win out.
Or perhaps we see the situtation for what it is; and that it's not a sign of a pending Apocolypse as the anti's would have you believe.

it will be ok. shhh, shhh.. quiet down there little one. you're going to be ok. everything will be alright... want Daddy to sing you a lullaby?
You see nothing beyond your apologies. If this was a democrat administration your position would be the exact opposite.
I'm not a republican, nor is my voting history consistent with any one party.

GG.
and yet that doesn't stop your apologies.

gg
 
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Ummmm, earth to Palehorse, Palehorse come in. We certainly can't petition Clinton (or any other previous administration) to stop it now can we? Nope. But we can petition (or more likely SUE) the current administration to stop it.

Now you'd think that explanation would be self-evident, but Palehorse and the other wingnuts don't seem to get it. Or more likely, they can't stop apologizing long enough to allow logical thought to win out.
Or perhaps we see the situtation for what it is; and that it's not a sign of a pending Apocolypse as the anti's would have you believe.

it will be ok. shhh, shhh.. quiet down there little one. you're going to be ok. everything will be alright... want Daddy to sing you a lullaby?

Not an apocalypse, no, but a clear and present danger to our civil liberties. The only reason Clinton didn't get away with more during his two terms is because he didn't have a 9/11-type event to drum up support for such idiocy. Further, he had to deal with an adversarial GOP-controlled Congress.

Obviously you don't have a problem with the government eroding or outright taking away our civil liberties and perhaps you'd be most comfortable in a totalitarian regime, but for the rest of us it doesn't look so great.
 
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