While telling the world they can't explore Nuclear weapons . . .

[CaptnKirk]

We are taking the Genie back out of the Bottle
Seems that they were able to sneak this one through congress while every one was watching the Highlights of Iraq - the Musical.
BOOM - BOOM - BOOM - BOOM

Hello ? Example for Iran, example for Russia, example for China, example for Israel, example for Iraq.

Notice U.S. - we're a bigger threat than you are, so there, nyah - nyah.

10 years ago we openly quit doing neuclear testing - for the good of the world.
Now the world is just not good enough for us anymore.

Deep down in the article , "In case the President orders the nuclear testing"
Like it's his decision alone ? He gets up one morning and just says,
"Let there be Nukes !" and lo, the sky fills with the glow of the Sun, and the Earth trembles underfoot !
What kinda of thinking is coming out of the shallow end of Bushs' Brain Pool ?

 

[Fencer128]

If we (the world) ever get to the point of using such weapons - the time for debate will be long gone and I for one wil expect to welcome a quick death (I'm assuming tactical nukes will most likely escalate into strategic nukes). Apart from this poiunt I remember reading somewhere that the normal background radiation we all experience has risen by a couple of a % since all nuclear testing began. From this point of view I'd very much wish that testing stopped!. After all, it's not like we're short on munitions or technology easily capable of eradicating mankind.

Cheers,

Andy

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
We are taking the Genie back out of the Bottle
Seems that they were able to sneak this one through congress while every one was watching the Highlights of Iraq - the Musical.
BOOM - BOOM - BOOM - BOOM

Hello ? Example for Iran, example for Russia, example for China, example for Israel, example for Iraq.

Notice U.S. - we're a bigger threat than you are, so there, nyah - nyah.

10 years ago we openly quit doing neuclear testing - for the good of the world.
Now the world is just not good enough for us anymore.

Deep down in the article , "In case the President orders the nuclear testing"
Like it's his decision alone ? He gets up one morning and just says,
"Let there be Nukes !" and lo, the sky fills with the glow of the Sun, and the Earth trembles underfoot !
What kinda of thinking is coming out of the shallow end of Bushs' Brain Pool ?

I'm fairly certain after reading the article that you have no clue what the article says and you probably haven't read it.
If you have read it your reading comp. skills need a major upgrade.

You appear to have missed:
"The US Senate Armed Services Committee (news - web sites) has voted to lift a ban on research and development of low-yield nuclear weapons in the United States."
and
"The bill must still pass through the US House Armed Services Committee, the full House and the Senate and can be amended at each stage."
and
"the committee said it had "authorized a provision to repeal the ban on research and development of low yield nuclear weapons," and stated that nothing in the repeal shall be construed as "authorizing the testing, acquisition or deployment of a low-yield nuclear weapon.""

 

[Alistar7]

For a little more comprehensive look at the situation.....

 

[Fencer128]

More and more I'm thinking there is no place for "limited use" nuclear weapons. All nukes fall under the MAD catagory IMHO.

Cheers,

Andy

 

[Alistar7]

It's seems current technology is not this good yet, but what if the blast and all radioactive fallout could be contained underground? ZERO collatoral damage, they are thinking this could be used against bunkers buried in 300 feet of granite, etc...

 

[Fencer128]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
It's seems current technology is not this good yet, but what if the blast and all radioactive fallout could be contained underground? ZERO collatoral damage, they are thinking this could be used against bunkers buried in 300 feet of granite, etc...

I see your point - it's just that if nuclear weapons ever become that mainstream - I fear for:

Public opinion on the dangers of their use

The definite environmental impact

The possible escalations that could occur.

Far too much risk to ever be used except in the direst of circumstances IMHO.

Cheers,

Andy

 

[CaptnKirk]

A 2 year out of date report ? What for.
What are the chances that these have already been developed and used ?
My guesss is it probably already happened.
We wouldn't break another treaty though would we.

I know a little itsy bitsy teeny tiny bit about Nukes.
But I'm not real well versed about those under 150K Tons.
Surely there's more current public disclosure than a 2 year old article.
Oh, look - here comes one now "
And with side links, gobs more

Point in case - quietly pushed through - who noticed ?
God, we had a War to fight, and Democrats to bash,
and unfit Judicial candidates to muddy the issues.

You people have a problem mixing or intermixing ideas and sarcasm ?
Zips right by high over head without causing a breeze does it ?

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
What kinda of thinking is coming out of the shallow end of Bushs' Brain Pool ?

How can something consisting of only a couple atoms have a "shallow end"?

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Fencer128
If we (the world) ever get to the point of using such weapons - the time for debate will be long gone and I for one wil expect to welcome a quick death (I'm assuming tactical nukes will most likely escalate into strategic nukes). Apart from this poiunt I remember reading somewhere that the normal background radiation we all experience has risen by a couple of a % since all nuclear testing began. From this point of view I'd very much wish that testing stopped!. After all, it's not like we're short on munitions or technology easily capable of eradicating mankind.

Cheers,

Andy

You are over 50 years late. We used it against Japan in 1945. I have absolutely no qualms about using it against the North Koreans if they act up, either.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Fencer128
If we (the world) ever get to the point of using such weapons - the time for debate will be long gone and I for one wil expect to welcome a quick death (I'm assuming tactical nukes will most likely escalate into strategic nukes). Apart from this poiunt I remember reading somewhere that the normal background radiation we all experience has risen by a couple of a % since all nuclear testing began. From this point of view I'd very much wish that testing stopped!. After all, it's not like we're short on munitions or technology easily capable of eradicating mankind.

Cheers,

Andy

You are over 50 years late. We used it against Japan in 1945. I have absolutely no qualms about using it against the North Koreans if they act up, either.

:disgust:

This isnt Japan... we're not in a open war with North Korea and do you know how many millions died by radiation? Do you care?

 

[ReiAyanami]

why do we need to test anything, we know exactly what they do: big b00m

testing a nuclear bomb is 1 less bomb in our aresenal

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Fencer128
If we (the world) ever get to the point of using such weapons - the time for debate will be long gone and I for one wil expect to welcome a quick death (I'm assuming tactical nukes will most likely escalate into strategic nukes). Apart from this poiunt I remember reading somewhere that the normal background radiation we all experience has risen by a couple of a % since all nuclear testing began. From this point of view I'd very much wish that testing stopped!. After all, it's not like we're short on munitions or technology easily capable of eradicating mankind.

Cheers,

Andy

You are over 50 years late. We used it against Japan in 1945. I have absolutely no qualms about using it against the North Koreans if they act up, either.

:disgust:

This isnt Japan... we're not in a open war with North Korea and do you know how many millions died by radiation? Do you care?

If they act up, NK will surely try to use one of it's big guns. If they do, again, I have absolutely no qualms about dropping hydrogen or neutron bombs on them. War is nothing more than a Hobbesian world: It's either them or me.

 

[XMan]

This isnt Japan... we're not in a open war with North Korea and do you know how many millions died by radiation? Do you care?

Whatever the number, I'd wager it was less than the number of Chinese that Tojo's armies butchered. What's more horrible - dying from nuclear fire or it's after effects, or being raped/dismembered/tortured/infected with various diseases?

I'd pick the bomb myself, at least it'd be quick.

 

[Phuz]

Bush reviving the development of Small Nu-cu-lar weapons - - - - - - - - - - $8.5B
The environmental effects of subjecting the world to Nu-cu-lar testing - - - $1.9B

Idiots trying to justify it - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - PRICELESS

 

[Phuz]

Originally posted by: X-Man

This isnt Japan... we're not in a open war with North Korea and do you know how many millions died by radiation? Do you care?

Whatever the number, I'd wager it was less than the number of Chinese that Tojo's armies butchered. What's more horrible - dying from nuclear fire or it's after effects, or being raped/dismembered/tortured/infected with various diseases?

I'd pick the bomb myself, at least it'd be quick.

*****[WARNING]*****

You
Are
The
Definition
Of
Ignorance

 

[przero]

"This isnt Japan... we're not in a open war with North Korea and do you know how many millions died by radiation? Do you care?"

Do you know how many lives were saved? Do you care?

 

[CaptnKirk]

But on the other hand, what good is it to have weapons without using them.
Were gonna be building a buncha new ones now - ran the stockpile down a bit I hear.

 

[Fencer128]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Fencer128
If we (the world) ever get to the point of using such weapons - the time for debate will be long gone and I for one wil expect to welcome a quick death (I'm assuming tactical nukes will most likely escalate into strategic nukes). Apart from this poiunt I remember reading somewhere that the normal background radiation we all experience has risen by a couple of a % since all nuclear testing began. From this point of view I'd very much wish that testing stopped!. After all, it's not like we're short on munitions or technology easily capable of eradicating mankind.

Cheers,

Andy

You are over 50 years late. We used it against Japan in 1945. I have absolutely no qualms about using it against the North Koreans if they act up, either.

Depends on the definition of "act up". I would hate for any erosion of the belief that these weapons were weapons of last resort. IMHO if we go down that road sooner or later we'll all be cooking.

Cheers,

Andy

 

[Zebo]

If everyone had nukes the world would be very peaceful. Read some just war thoery and you'll understand my meaning.

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: Phuz

Originally posted by: X-Man

This isnt Japan... we're not in a open war with North Korea and do you know how many millions died by radiation? Do you care?

Whatever the number, I'd wager it was less than the number of Chinese that Tojo's armies butchered. What's more horrible - dying from nuclear fire or it's after effects, or being raped/dismembered/tortured/infected with various diseases?

I'd pick the bomb myself, at least it'd be quick.

*****[WARNING]*****

You
Are
The
Definition
Of
Ignorance

Right back at you, buddy.

"Between December 1937 and March 1938 at least 369,366 Chinese civilians and prisoners of war were slaughtered by the invading troops. An estimated 80,000 women and girls were raped; many of them were then mutilated or murdered. Thousands of victims were beheaded, burned, bayoneted, buried alive, or disemboweled.

To this day the Japanese government has refused to apologize for these and other World War II atrocities, and a significant sector of Japanese society denies that they took place at all."

Translation: war sucks. I never said otherwise, I simply said I'd rather go quick than be tortured to death.

Now
Who's
The
Ignorant
One
My
Friend?

You think he sent this picture home to his mom?

 

[cpumaster]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Fencer128
If we (the world) ever get to the point of using such weapons - the time for debate will be long gone and I for one wil expect to welcome a quick death (I'm assuming tactical nukes will most likely escalate into strategic nukes). Apart from this poiunt I remember reading somewhere that the normal background radiation we all experience has risen by a couple of a % since all nuclear testing began. From this point of view I'd very much wish that testing stopped!. After all, it's not like we're short on munitions or technology easily capable of eradicating mankind.

Cheers,

Andy

You are over 50 years late. We used it against Japan in 1945. I have absolutely no qualms about using it against the North Koreans if they act up, either.

:disgust:

This isnt Japan... we're not in a open war with North Korea and do you know how many millions died by radiation? Do you care?

If they act up, NK will surely try to use one of it's big guns. If they do, again, I have absolutely no qualms about dropping hydrogen or neutron bombs on them. War is nothing more than a Hobbesian world: It's either them or me.

We should use it on Israelis and Palestinians instead, solving the all the problem with one big BOOM....get rid of all the headache in ME, at least for awhile...

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Fencer128
If we (the world) ever get to the point of using such weapons - the time for debate will be long gone and I for one wil expect to welcome a quick death (I'm assuming tactical nukes will most likely escalate into strategic nukes). Apart from this poiunt I remember reading somewhere that the normal background radiation we all experience has risen by a couple of a % since all nuclear testing began. From this point of view I'd very much wish that testing stopped!. After all, it's not like we're short on munitions or technology easily capable of eradicating mankind.

Cheers,

Andy

why would it necessarily escalate? i mean, first the target would have to have strategic nukes, which is a big if, and second, the biggest use of these would be the sort of types that would authorize strategic nukes to begin with. as far as testing, this doesn't authorize it. we haven't done any testing in decades. we can use computers for that.