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Which will provide faster video... GeForce4 MX IGP or MX440-8X card?

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bupkus

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This with IGP or this with GeForce4 MX440-8X video card.
for children's educational software?

I could get this Biostar with it's IGP that's enough for the kids' software and with the potential of the nForce chipset for an overclock later.. or not.
Or I can get a cheaper microATX mobo and the video card in the link. I like the MX440-8X but some peeps have suggested a RADEON 7000. I think the MX is faster than the 7000... no?
 
R7000 lacks hardware T&L support, so a GF2MX/GF4MX is still superior. As far as the IGP vs. discrete GF4MX implementation goes, it mostly comes down to memory bandwidth available. A decent GF4MX card will have 128-bit, 200Mhz (400 DDR) memory. To get the same speed, you need to use dual-channel PC3200 DDR with the IGP. If you use only single-channel memory, then your speeds will be cut down to around a 64-bit GF4MX card. But for children's educational software, I doubt that it makes any difference. For UT2K4, it might.

Between the two choices that you linked, that GF4MX card is only 64-bit, so if you ran in dual-channel mode on that mobo, the IGP would likely actually be the faster solution. In single-channel, it would be around the same speed. I would go with the mobo myself, those are decent boards, and you could always upgrade to a faster AGP-based card in the future if the need ever arises. (Say, a used Ti4200 or something.)
 
The only drawback to the Biostar is the posts from some peeps saying that the IGP doesn't respond well to an fsb of over 333. I would run it at 400 dual channel but it will probably just be an overclock of the cpu which is ymmv.
Another fly in the ointment is the sudden (atleast to me) appearance of some cheap Socket 754 Semprons, like a retail 2600+ for $79 at newegg. Why oh why doesn't nVidia provide a good IGP for socket 754 CPUs? I really would like to say goodbye to the AXP.
 
All Radeon series video cards, like all GeForce series video cards, include hardware texture and lighting support. The 7000-series card uses SDRAM instead of DDR video memory and it lacks support for advanced DX8 functions, but it does have hardware T&L.
 
I built a comp for a friend about a year ago using the Biostar motherboard and (2) x 128mb sticks of samsung PC2700. Running a 1700+@2600+speeds on a multiplier and 166fsb overclock.

The on-board IGP is quite abit slower than the Gf4 MX440. I would consider it to be more like a MX420 except slightly slower.

He plays a few games but not much. He played Call of Duty on it and had a great time. I played one scenario on it and was surprised how well it did and looked. But it is really a "gateway" solution for a interested gammer type. I benched Q3 on it and got 102fps 1024x768/32bit and all details maxed.
 
Originally posted by: bupkus
The only drawback to the Biostar is the posts from some peeps saying that the IGP doesn't respond well to an fsb of over 333. I would run it at 400 dual channel but it will probably just be an overclock of the cpu which is ymmv.
Another fly in the ointment is the sudden (atleast to me) appearance of some cheap Socket 754 Semprons, like a retail 2600+ for $79 at newegg. Why oh why doesn't nVidia provide a good IGP for socket 754 CPUs? I really would like to say goodbye to the AXP.
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Hang-on, the Ati RS480 might be available soon in a 754 socket, not sure about that, but it would make sense for them to do it.

 
Hang-on, the Ati RS480 might be available soon in a 754 socket, not sure about that, but it would make sense for them to do it.
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TUL (powercolor) has a 754 board listed at ATI...the release date doesn't look promising though🙁
 
Originally posted by: rbV5
Hang-on, the Ati RS480 might be available soon in a 754 socket, not sure about that, but it would make sense for them to do it.
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TUL (powercolor) has a 754 board listed at ATI...the release date doesn't look promising though🙁
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Forget it. If you're buying a new system, you want Socket939 anyways.... unless you want to buy a new motherboard in only two years instead of four.
The RS480 chipset is fantastic, and the onboard graphics are smeggin' awesome!

I wish someone reputable would do a full IGP benchmark on it and compare it to a few other cards.
 
BTW.... your original question, the GF4MX-440 (or 4000) is more capable and faster than a Radeon 7000.

A used Radeon 8500/9000/9100/9200 or GF3 would be better still, as it's DX8 instead of DX7. Prettier graphics. 🙂 Not much faster, but prettier.

Might even be able to snag a GeForceFX 5200 for the same low, low price. But if you're buying new stuff......... hmm.

Of course, if it's just for the kids, an nforce2 with IGP and a dirt-cheap Sempron is pretty hard to beat.
 
Been there. 😉 Still only a reference board, rather than specific company boards, but it's a great start.
 
Originally posted by: crazyeddie
All Radeon series video cards, like all GeForce series video cards, include hardware texture and lighting support. The 7000-series card uses SDRAM instead of DDR video memory and it lacks support for advanced DX8 functions, but it does have hardware T&L.
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No the 7000 does not have T&L. I believe the 7500 included it though. Also it is Transform and Lighting.
 
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: crazyeddie
All Radeon series video cards, like all GeForce series video cards, include hardware texture and lighting support. The 7000-series card uses SDRAM instead of DDR video memory and it lacks support for advanced DX8 functions, but it does have hardware T&L.
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No the 7000 does not have T&L. I believe the 7500 included it though.
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:cookie: You are correct!
 
Originally posted by: mwmorph
WOW that is just abysmal. for the most part, slower than the intel?
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No, it soundly beats the Intel 915 graphics 80% of the time.

... but it's still not that great. That's two full reviews now, and it's not looking good.

Don't get me wrong - it's the best IGP out there, and great for "free".
I'd be content with it, but I'd be wanting more....

I think I'll save money and buy a Sempron CPU and get a decent video card off the top so I won't feel the need to upgrade until I actually need Windows64.

ASROCK makes a cool motherboard with socket 754 and 939 together! Go for a dirt-cheap Sempron 754 now (as if 2800+ isn't fast enough!) and an A64 939 later on when the processors get cheaper and better! Better yet, you won't need to replace your motherboard and the subsequent reloading of Windows XP because your drive controllers changed. :|
 
I checked out the link to digital-daily.com and decided... again. I think I'm still best with the nForce2 IGP.
 
I know that this is slightly OT for this thread, but I was just thinking, why didn't NV come out with a Socket-A chipset with an integrated DX9 part (say, an FX 5200 IGP)? Perhaps they saw Socket-A disappearing before they could bring it to market and make a profit out of the project, but that gave me another idea - now that they are using their new "MXM" socket or whatnot for laptop GPUs - why not develop an IGP chipset, with an MXM socket? So in order to upgrade the graphics, you could just pop in another graphics core. That would be rather neat, although I wonder how well that would really work in an IGP scenario, since you couldn't really upgrade the memory bandwidth (unles it wasn't maxed-out on the board to begin with).
 
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