Discussion Which was worse, the riots in July or the Riot in January?

[brianmanahan]

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[Grey_Beard]

ATPN is this way --------->>>>>>>

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I thought it was this way

 

[Lanyap]

It's in the bowels of Hell.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

What is the flavor of that kool aid you have been drinking?
You do know also that an unarmed black man was choked out for ~9 minutes in the streets of Minneapolis and a paramedic was shot multiple times in her own home, right?

And thats justification for burning random citizens homes, businesses, and their entire net worth? OH - and throwing bottles of piss, bricks, at cops? OH - and shooting people, the riots resulted in far more overall deaths. OH - and looting stores galore?


So the question is, whats your overall qualification or measurement for the worst?

Deaths/Lives? July by far
Property damage? July by faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar. Were talking millions - probably close to billions vs. thousands equivalency.
Overall reputation for the country? Probably where January wins because of the embarrassment. Really just a reflection though of bad mis-management. Riot police should have been called in the moment they started advancing, not 2 hours later.

 

[Captante]

So the question is, whats your overall qualification or measurement for the worst?

BOTH were terrible... there was zero justification for the destruction during the riots/protests over the summer no matter who was actually responsible.

However in terms of damage to America IMO it's not even close. Last Weds was the worst thing I've seen in my lifetime with the POSSIBLE exception of 9-11.

This country right now is on the brink of another civil war.

 

[manly]

This poll is basically asking if you self-identify as a political conservative or progressive.

BOTH were terrible... there was zero justification for the destruction during the riots/protests over the summer no matter who was actually responsible.

However it terms of damage to America IMO it's not even close. Last Weds was the worst thing I've seen in my lifetime with the POSSIBLE exception of 9-11.

This country right now is on the brink of another civil war.

The sitting President incites an angry mob to invade the U.S. Capitol, with the goal of preventing election certification and likely intent to take VP and political leaders hostages or worse and "someone without a mind" said it was just mis-management by the police. LMFAO.

The mis-management is that MAGA was only loosely organized and didn't get to our lawmakers in time to do what they went there to do. Shit on the leaders of Capitol Police all you want for terribad tactical planning, but we're all fucken lucky this insurrection achieved about 1% of its goals.

But yeah, property damage and insurance losses were way worse last summer...

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

BOTH were terrible... there was zero justification for the destruction during the riots/protests over the summer no matter who was actually responsible.

However it terms of damage to America IMO it's not even close. Last Weds was the worst thing I've seen in my lifetime with the POSSIBLE exception of 9-11.

This country right now is on the brink of another civil war.

No one said both weren't abhorant. The question was literally which was worse.

The hilarity though is seeing the increase in scrutiny after January occurs while the rest of us have been saying "Yeah bud, this has only been happening for the last 9 months - but sure, now is when you decide to say police force should be increased" lol.

And like I said - January was only damage to America because the management let it happen.



Also, we as people in developed worlds are far too domesticated to ever have a civil war again lol.

 

[Captante]

And like I said - January was only damage to America because the management let it happen.

Also, we as people in developed worlds are far too domesticated to ever have a civil war again lol.

First point I completely agree ... no question there was complicity at the very least. Quite a few were somehow caught with their pants down as well.


Second point .... from your lips to God's ears!

 

[pauldun170]

During the summer, we saw white people hijack the BLM demonstrations and trash businesses.
In January we watched white people try to hijack the government and trash the American way.

I vote January

 

[13Gigatons]

During the summer, we saw white people hijack the BLM demonstrations and trash businesses.

Plenty of Black people were out there trashing businesses and starting fires. Don't try and rewrite history.

 

[Svnla]

During the summer, we saw white people hijack the BLM demonstrations and trash businesses.

Woman attacked outside Rochester business

(WHAM) - Disturbing video recorded by a person in Rochester shows a group of people attacking a woman outside a business amid widespread looting and rioting in downtown Rochester Saturday evening. In the video, a woman pleads with the people smashing the exterior of Rochester Fire Equipment...

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Damn MAGA crackers..gang up and beat up a woman...Look at multiple punches on that woman....right on the face/head and several hit by a big stick on her head/body and her spouse...oh wait.... Must be "white privilege" for that cracker, right? <eyes rolling upward>

 

[MrSquished]

Whether black or white, the criminals that hijacked the bLM movement were just that, hijackers and opportunists. Not trying to overthrow democracy either. Not led by Biden or Pelosi or their surrogates. In fact they probably can't stand Biden or Pelosi or simply don't vote of they are just looters. The insurrectionists? They aren't hijacking anything, they are the movement. These are the base of the Trump party and led by him and his closest surrogates. that's a lot more dangerous. The Trump party base is full of bad hombres. Tens of millions. It's an entire political movement of bad hombres. They are the end of democracy if they get enough power again.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

lol "White people hijacking" BLM movements is something I've only seen recently. It's just like the equivalency of drinking the koolaid of saying Antifa raided the capital.

Sure little Billy, sure.

 

[Muse]

Which was worse, the riots in July or the Riot in January?

No question, what happened 1/6/2021 was horrible.

The George Floyd demonstrations, and etc. had a lot of people saying I don't want to live in a racist country. What happened Wednesday was thousands of people insisting that they do not want America to be a democracy. Pathetic.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1348360474178449408

 

[Muse]

BOTH were terrible... there was zero justification for the destruction during the riots/protests over the summer no matter who was actually responsible.

However in terms of damage to America IMO it's not even close. Last Weds was the worst thing I've seen in my lifetime with the POSSIBLE exception of 9-11.

This country right now is on the brink of another civil war.

Trump himself getting an electoral college victory in 2016 is much worse than 9/11. We have more people dying daily from Covid-19 than died on 9/11, and that's at least 80% on Trump.

 

[Torn Mind]

The Capitol riots had far less collateral damage than the summer riots.

All injuries are accounted for and limited to the participants. Private citizens within DC were not harmed.

It's clear Federal law enforcement can handle such a riot with not substantial or material damage to the machinery of the state. The next time around, there will be plenty of more mitigations and inhibitory policies to quell further disturbances, and they are already being implemented.

It's like dealing with a burst pipe. You crank up the heat after the pipe is already burst and you had to shut the water off. Then when the plumber fixes it, you still keep the heat on.

The riots themselves and the counter response is all in part due to the stupid paradigm grade school instill in the people of this country. The visual prominence of the federal government in news and media does NOT reflect the limited powers it has and the actual powers the states do have.

Furthermore, the deaths in the Capitol riots are deaths people want to happen based on their political allegiances and occupation.

 

[Torn Mind]

BOTH were terrible... there was zero justification for the destruction during the riots/protests over the summer no matter who was actually responsible.

However in terms of damage to America IMO it's not even close. Last Weds was the worst thing I've seen in my lifetime with the POSSIBLE exception of 9-11.

This country right now is on the brink of another civil war.

Civil War will never happen because the money is too good for governments to let that happen. Especially when takeover through migration and development have already toppled big money areas while the crappy real estate areas will simply lack the funding to sustain a war. The states will mobilize their police, and they basically can quell rebellion with Kevlar, polycarbonate(the plastic of the gods) and tear gas these days with ease.

Furthermore, there is no such thing as "state identity" anymore of state politicians to declare or or in the case of Kentucky, remain neutral like an actual state.

Groups of vigilantes are about the equivalent of Nat Turner and will be put down in more localized and targeted methods. .

 

[Grey_Beard]

Plenty of Black people were out there trashing businesses and starting fires. Don't try and rewrite history.

Source? Can you link where the FBI or law enforcement said this?

 

[Starbuck1975]

BOTH were terrible... there was zero justification for the destruction during the riots/protests over the summer no matter who was actually responsible.

However in terms of damage to America IMO it's not even close. Last Weds was the worst thing I've seen in my lifetime with the POSSIBLE exception of 9-11.

This country right now is on the brink of another civil war.

I don’t think we are heading towards civil war. Because the proper authorities have acted decisively in identifying, arresting and otherwise holding accountable those most assertive in the insurrection, I think it is deflating any enthusiasm from Trump supporters who do not wish to associate with Q’anon, militias or far right groups. The fringe elements that Trump enabled and emboldened will slip away back into the shadows, hopefully without the support of social media platforms that allowed them to unify and coordinate.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Whether black or white, the criminals that hijacked the bLM movement were just that, hijackers and opportunists. Not trying to overthrow democracy either. Not led by Biden or Pelosi or their surrogates. In fact they probably can't stand Biden or Pelosi or simply don't vote of they are just looters. The insurrectionists? They aren't hijacking anything, they are the movement. These are the base of the Trump party and led by him and his closest surrogates. that's a lot more dangerous. The Trump party base is full of bad hombres. Tens of millions. It's an entire political movement of bad hombres. They are the end of democracy if they get enough power again.

Establishing autonomous zones and attacking federal symbols of democracy (court houses) is still insurrection, and both similarly led to loss of life.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I voted January. Entitled white people storming the capitol and threatening entire congress. The impact of these actions far outweighs protesting police abuse.

 

[GrumpyMan]

July led to January. Neither is ok.

 

[Homerboy]

I can not believe that this is a near 50/50 split.

 

[Captante]

I don’t think we are heading towards civil war

I certainly hope you're correct ... I didn't think I'd ever see armed lunatics waving Confederate flags inside the Capitol either until last week.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I certainly hope you're correct ... I didn't think I'd ever see armed lunatics waving Confederate flags inside the Capitol either until last week.

The armed lunatics always have and will continue to exist. We need to focus on holding accountable the President who validated and unified them, and those who enabled their access to the Capitol...there is no justification for the utter security failure.