Which streak is more impressive to u: Ken Jennings@ 37 or Eric Gagne@84

[JulesMaximus]

I thought it said which steak is more impressive...:roll:

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: BD2003
As much as I admire the man for actually knowing the answer to a lot of those questions, by this time he's so well practiced that its going to be a tough time for anyone to beat him. When I was watching him one show, I knew more than half the answers to the questions he was asked, and it looked pretty impossible that the other contestants didnt too.

But ken has been doing this for weeks. Getting the questions right isnt that hard. Its the fact that he's got the timing down so perfectly, that no one else can even have a chance to get a word in edgewise. I came in expecting to be amazed, and left watching the show wondering what the big deal is. He's just outclicking everyone, not outsmarting them at this point.

Exactly the same way I feel. He just rings in faster than anyone else.

 

[CtK]

i think Kens streak is more impressive
and hes gonna be on Jay Leno 2nite

 

[Atomicus]

Originally posted by: thawolfman
Jennings still goin?

Edit: ROFL ---> http://www.kottke.org/04/07/ken-jennings-jeopardy

hahahahha

 

[Fingolfin269]

I forgot the exact number but weren't the majority of Gagne's saves not categorized as 'quality saves'? (or whatever that statistic is)

 

[LongAce]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I forgot the exact number but weren't the majority of Gagne's saves not categorized as 'quality saves'? (or whatever that statistic is)

A save is a save. Gagne's streak was very impressive. Again, Jennings was more impressive.

 

[Jack Ryan]

Originally posted by: Mojoed

Not only that, consider the many times Gagne has entered a game with a runner on 3rd with less than two outs in a one-run game.

How many is that? He comes in with 3 run leads....

Having an ERA UNDER 1 is impressive, (MARIANO)

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: LongAce

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I forgot the exact number but weren't the majority of Gagne's saves not categorized as 'quality saves'? (or whatever that statistic is)

A save is a save. Gagne's streak was very impressive. Again, Jennings was more impressive.

Actually a save is not a save. Compare the situations Gagne faces to the situations someone like Dennis Eckersly faced and you'll understand what I mean.

 

[Jack Ryan]

Originally posted by: SoylentGreen

Originally posted by: Mojoed
Without a doubt Gagne's streak is more impressive. 84 consecutive saves is sickening. It not only requires amazing skill, but extraordinary luck as well. A passed ball or error of any type can result in blown save.

Not only that, consider the many times Gagne has entered a game with a runner on 3rd with less than two outs in a one-run game. A simple ground ball out or flyout will likely result in a blown save! 84 consecutive saves is insane any way you look at it.

You need to look up the definition of a save, please.

Inherited runners do not count.

Ummmm, you need to look it up.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: KMDupont64

Originally posted by: SoylentGreen

Originally posted by: Mojoed
Without a doubt Gagne's streak is more impressive. 84 consecutive saves is sickening. It not only requires amazing skill, but extraordinary luck as well. A passed ball or error of any type can result in blown save.

Not only that, consider the many times Gagne has entered a game with a runner on 3rd with less than two outs in a one-run game. A simple ground ball out or flyout will likely result in a blown save! 84 consecutive saves is insane any way you look at it.

You need to look up the definition of a save, please.

Inherited runners do not count.

Ummmm, you need to look it up.

Yep the definition of a save as stated by the MLB rulebook

Credit a pitcher with a save when he meets all three of the following conditions: (1) He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his club; and (2) He is not the winning pitcher; and (3) He qualifies under one of the following conditions: (a) He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at least one inning; or (b) He enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, or at bat, or on deck (that is, the potential tying run is either already on base or is one of the first two batsmen he faces); or (c) He pitches effectively for at least three innings. No more than one save may be credited in each game.

 

[blakeatwork]

From mlb.com

SAVES FOR RELIEF PITCHERS
10.20
Credit a pitcher with a save when he meets all three of the following conditions: (1) He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his club; and (2) He is not the winning pitcher; and (3) He qualifies under one of the following conditions: (a) He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at least one inning; or (b) He enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, or at bat, or on deck (that is, the potential tying run is either already on base or is one of the first two batsmen he faces); or (c) He pitches effectively for at least three innings. No more than one save may be credited in each game.

 

[Ranger X]

Ken's streak.

 

[Gimli43Orcs]

now with poll

 

[CTrain]

Most of us know what qualify for a save.
The question here is what qualify for a blown save.

If he enters a game with the tying run already on base and if he let that run scored...he is not credited with a blown save. The original pitcher who let that person on base is credited with a BS.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[vshah]

ken jennings

he just pwns everyone.

-Vivan

 

[blakeatwork]

Originally posted by: CTrain
Most of us know what qualify for a save.
The question here is what qualify for a blown save.

If he enters a game with the tying run already on base and if he let that run scored...he is not credited with a blown save. The original pitcher who let that person on base is credited with a BS.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

That's wrong, insomuch as the critieria of the rule for saves states. That's the whole point of the closer.. to come in and get the outs without allowing any runs to score (assuming a 1 run game of course)..

 

[JoPh]

Go Ken Go.

 

[CTrain]

Originally posted by: blakeatwork

Originally posted by: CTrain
Most of us know what qualify for a save.
The question here is what qualify for a blown save.

If he enters a game with the tying run already on base and if he let that run scored...he is not credited with a blown save. The original pitcher who let that person on base is credited with a BS.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

That's wrong, insomuch as the critieria of the rule for saves states. That's the whole point of the closer.. to come in and get the outs without allowing any runs to score (assuming a 1 run game of course)..

Link me to where it qualify as a blown save.
The runner is not his so how can he be charged wih a blown save ?

 

[blakeatwork]

Originally posted by: CTrain

Originally posted by: blakeatwork

Originally posted by: CTrain
Most of us know what qualify for a save.
The question here is what qualify for a blown save.

If he enters a game with the tying run already on base and if he let that run scored...he is not credited with a blown save. The original pitcher who let that person on base is credited with a BS.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

That's wrong, insomuch as the critieria of the rule for saves states. That's the whole point of the closer.. to come in and get the outs without allowing any runs to score (assuming a 1 run game of course)..

Link me to where it qualify as a blown save.
The runner is not his so how can he be charged wih a blown save ?

There was no official link, I re-read the rules pertaining to saves (mlb.com, Rule 10.20)... it's more an implied statement really. The runner might not be his, but the whole point of him coming into the game is to prevent that runner from scoring and "save" the game. He might not be charged with the run, but it would be counted as an inherited runner scored, and a blown save. As far as i recall, only one pitcher can be charged with a blown save, though I might be wrong.

Blown saves are pretty cut and dry for the most part. If you relieve a pitcher, and give up the lead (whether a tie game or your team is not trailing), that's a blown save.

 

[Mojoed]

Originally posted by: CTrain
Most of us know what qualify for a save.
The question here is what qualify for a blown save.

If he enters a game with the tying run already on base and if he let that run scored...he is not credited with a blown save. The original pitcher who let that person on base is credited with a BS.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Definition of a blown save.

A blown save is given to a pitcher who would have been given a save if he had finished the game without surrendering the lead, but who allows the tying run to score.

The following are two examples of blown saves:

A pitcher comes into the game with a one run lead for a save opportunity with a runner on 3rd and one out. Pitcher gets a flyball out and the runner from 3rd tags up and scores.

A pitcher comes into the game with a one run lead and with the bases loaded. The catcher boots the ball and gets credited with a passed ball and the tying run crosses the plate.

A pitcher comes into the game for a save with a one run lead with a runner on 2nd base. Flyball to the outfield, fielder loses the ball in the sun and the tying run scores.

etc, etc

Blown saves are often not the fault of the pitcher but they're still considerred blown saves. These situations and others don't happen frequently, but they are FAR from rare. The fact that it didn't happen for 84 consecutive attempts is a tribute to Gagne's skill and extraordinary luck.

 

[digitalsm]

Jennings streak is at 38. Has a record one day total of $75,000. And an overall total of $1,321,660.

His streak wont resume until Sept 6 when the new season of Jeopardy starts.

He has also made the front page of ESPN.com.

 

[Gimli43Orcs]

That game (75,000) was as impressive as i have ever seen

 

[HardcoreRobot]

does anyone have the vid of him on leno the night before last?