which reminds me of my dumb friend

[soccerballtux]

I've been having some RAM issues and was borrowing roommates' PC for memtest.

After disabling fastboot and enabling boot from USB, I load up memtest and leave it running for four hours.

He comes back from work and wants to use his PC, so I pull the USB key and he reboots the PC.

ERROR: CPU Over Temperature!!!

(???)

it's never done that before

well, that's weird, memtest doesn't stress CPU at all...I've not seen that ... it doesn't do that....

so then he leaves for a movie with friends or something and left his windows logged in so that I could install Prime95 and stress test my RAM using a custom, high RAM load test. He has an i5-4690k.

I start up Prime95, watch task manager, and notice it's only running about 66%...hm..that's weird...whatever...in the mean time I download OpenHardwareMonitor and fire it up...hm that's weird, core 90C...the other temps under the core temp are all over the place-- some 50C, some 75C, one 100C. And there are 5 of them (temps), which doesn't make sense because quad core, used to seeing 1/core. Then again what do I konw, I'm AMD guy. Anyways, I put my hand in the case, touch the heatsink...weird...feels cold....

So I install HWInfo in case to double check....hm...yes...definitely 90C on the core...definitely thermally throttling...hm...wonder why

I shut it down and text him about it. I then realize I can't resist, that he's a complete noob for this mistake, and I remove the heatsink.

he didn't insert/lock the clips properly. Only the corner was making contact there....

what's crazy is he's been gaming on this PC for 3 months. The CPU was able to sustain about 50% load at 90C, and just cools off after about 10 seconds.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Good thing there is thermal protection. But quite amazing performance he got still.

 

[Sheep221]

Oh that's a creepy situation, what did he say after all that?

 

[jji7skyline]

A testament the the amazing engineering by Intel tbh.

Reminds me of my friend who fried his motherboard (and possibly his CPU, don't know yet) by installing his motherboard in his new Fractal Design R5 without installing standoffs

 

[soccerballtux]

Oh that's a creepy situation, what did he say after all that?

He asked me to check with him before making changes besides swapping RAM next time.

 

[soccerballtux]

A testament the the amazing engineering by Intel tbh.

Reminds me of my friend who fried his motherboard (and possibly his CPU, don't know yet) by installing his motherboard in his new Fractal Design R5 without installing standoffs

They really are fantastic engineers. My Pentium e2180 CPU would fail at 74C and 1.5 volts on the nose. It always failed very gracefully in prime95 calculations. Never locked up or blue screen. On AMD CPU, I'm lucky to get a failure. Usually just a blue screen or a black screen. However I still buy AMD, because we need them around and I like having more cores and at the price point they have offered better performance.

I have another friend who asked what the buzzing noise was when he turned his new PC build on. He hadn't grounded it properly and it was a 60 Hz buzz. What bugs me is he is so dumb he couldn't think quick enough to figure out why it was making that noise, what the noise was, and had to be told it was 60hz--didn't recognize it. He just stupidly kept turning it on and off and on and off... He's an electrical engineer / electrician design dude. Ugh I hate dumb people. He's also the type that would have RMA'd it if he fried it, and wouldn't consider the warranty fraud or theft in such a situation to be a serious problem.

I need to learn to speak up more and not take wrong answers as gospel. I should have said something about it. It feels like a pit inside me that the world is an evil place because of people like him that I can't do anything about.

 

[myocardia]

So, you never said. Did you remove his motherboard, so you could install his heatsink properly?

 

[soccerballtux]

So, you never said. Did you remove his motherboard, so you could install his heatsink properly?

Heatsink just needed reseating. I made a video of it, slandered him ('noob') in it, and called it an intervention. I haven't posted it. It's largely uneventful.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

He asked me to check with him before making changes besides swapping RAM next time.

I've got to resurrect the persona of a Billy Bob Thornton movie character:

"Mmmm . . . it's hotter than Hades . . . . I like to say Hay-dees . . .mmmm . . . . So you messed with my PC? Poor little fella . . . do that again . . . . I'll go out to the shed and get into my lawnmower parts . . . Mmmmm . . . " :biggrin:

Always remember -- it's called a "personal computer." After building my brother's i5-3570K box and installing VNC because remote desktop won't work with his "Home Premium," it took me a while to gain his trust for doing routine maintenance -- so I don't have to fix things after the fact.

Yes, some folks can get feisty about other fingers messin' with their hardware . . . .

 

[soccerballtux]

I've got to resurrect the persona of a Billy Bob Thornton movie character:

"Mmmm . . . it's hotter than Hades . . . . I like to say Hay-dees . . .mmmm . . . . So you messed with my PC? Poor little fella . . . do that again . . . . I'll go out to the shed and get into my lawnmower parts . . . Mmmmm . . . " :biggrin:

Always remember -- it's called a "personal computer." After building my brother's i5-3570K box and installing VNC because remote desktop won't work with his "Home Premium," it took me a while to gain his trust for doing routine maintenance -- so I don't have to fix things after the fact.

Yes, some folks can get feisty about other fingers messin' with their hardware . . . .

It's taken 5 years but I'm learning to not care what he thinks and to strictly deal in yes/no/maybe etc. I don't like being so poorly thought of that my good intentions to help you with my superior PC building and testing experience are taken for granted and not trusted (when you couldn't even mount it well to begin with lol), but he has been a poor steward of my caring about his friendship in the past in other areas so I'm learning to just trust myself and not need his trust.

It's weird how these things have to be painful. It's not that I became confident, I just learned to stop letting him and others to control my self-doubt-level. Those two are not the same thing.

 

[myocardia]

I don't like being so poorly thought of that my good intentions to help you with my superior PC building and testing experience are taken for granted and not trusted, but he has been a poor steward of my caring about his friendship in the past in other areas so I'm learning to just trust myself and not need his trust.

Stop offering to help him in any way, and when he asks you to fix what has broken, act like it's too much trouble. After the first time that happens, he'll "magically" start being appreciative of what you can do.

edit: BTW, best thread title ever.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I had a friend who chronically gave dismissive responses to offers I made to help. At one time, he was so obsessive about fans for cooling his system that you could walk into his office/study and find it impossible to conduct a conversation through the din.

He'd jumped on the enthusiast bandwagon with overclocking intentions. I watched over his shoulder as he displayed BIOS screens. [When I offered to sit down and do it for him, he wouldn't let me near it.] Apparently, every time he attempted to overclock, he was so shaken with the inevitable BSOD that he just gave up.

 

[coercitiv]

I'm learning to just trust myself and not need his trust.

Meanwhile you just sent your roommate a clear message that he's allowed to go through your computer and check for stuff.

 

[crashtech]

I say get your own test mule, any hardware geek worth his salt should have one.

 

[soccerballtux]

Stop offering to help him in any way, and when he asks you to fix what has broken, act like it's too much trouble. After the first time that happens, he'll "magically" start being appreciative of what you can do.

edit: BTW, best thread title ever.

that's a pretty good point.

that's actually not the highest path through the situation (for example, with women, not just him) though. You can read my post #29 in here that I just wrote about it/this/why I say that

 

[soccerballtux]

Meanwhile you just sent your roommate a clear message that he's allowed to go through your computer and check for stuff.

well, not exactly, because when I do builds I get them right

 

[Sheep221]

A testament the the amazing engineering by Intel tbh.

Reminds me of my friend who fried his motherboard (and possibly his CPU, don't know yet) by installing his motherboard in his new Fractal Design R5 without installing standoffs

It's likely computer parts are not engineered to be idiot-proof.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Well for heavens sakes

 

[SPBHM]

the worst I had was a wire from another fan locking the CPU fan, it run like that for a while and it didn't even throttle, just got pretty warm

also... I had the extra 4 pins from the atx connector lock my PSU fan... it run like that for a while and I started to notice a different smell... this was like 3 years ago, the PSU still works perfectly

 

[escrow4]

You shouldn't use the stock heatsink beyond an i3 anyway. If you spend $200+ on an i5, spend $30 on a half decent heatsink. I concur that mounting Intel's stock heatsink is irritating, AMDs stock is very nice.

 

[coercitiv]

well, not exactly, because when I do builds I get them right

How's that memtest going, still getting weird memory erros? How long have you had C1E disabled on your FX build? Even if your build is pristine, going through other people's stuff without permission only warrants them to do the same thing when they see fit.

And here's the kicker: while you knew what you were doing, he does not. Imagine the possibilities.