which raid card for 2018 server, lsi 2008 is still ? answer YES

[killster1]

Thread closed no need for further advice.

my question was which card for my server

The cards i have consider are the LSI that can be flashed to IT or IR cards. "One of the most popular SAS 6.0gbps/ SATA III controllers for enthusiasts is the IBM M1015. In its native form, it is a very capable host bus adapter (HBA) based on the LSI SAS2008 chip. "

So the answer is yes the lsi 2008 will be perfect, if SSD raid is needed then go with the lsi 3008.

xeon 1240v5 seem to be only from china and 220$ on ebay 1260v5 for same price hong kong. Never have ordered CPU from china before but i wonder how well it will perform and for how long! exciting and wonder what other choices for cpu i have with x11ssh supermicro board. but i can figure all that out .

 

[aigomorla]

300 with drives?

because, you maybe asking for a bit too much..

I assume your looking at FREENAS and Unraid, by the comment in your last statement?


and no, you will not find a LSI 9211, or IBM M1015 for that cheap of a price even on ebay...
If you do, i question the card and how long its been used.

 

[Charlie22911]

A system that meets your requirements will be far above your stated budget.

How much storage do you need?
Is $300 a self imposed limit or can you go higher?

You can get used parts easily enough to save some money, but I’d personally never buy used drives; drives will be the majority cost.

 

[rchunter]

How many drives do you plan on running you might not even need a HBA. How many empty ports do you have on your mb? You can get cheap hba server pulls from ebay but be careful, a lot of those cheap cards are either stolen or counterfeit. Don't order from sellers based in china.

 

[mxnerd]

https://www.amazon.com/Synology-DS218-DiskStation-Diskless-2-bay/dp/B075N1BYWX

No disk. $299

2500K TDP is 95W and absolutely not low power.

Synology DS218+ CPU J3355 TDP only 10W.

 

[killster1]

Wow lots of replies great. Yes the cpu is overkill can sell it and buy low power dual core or something ya that's fine. Budget well don't have budget and of course it doesn't include drives. Was planning on using 3x8tb reds with room for more be nice. The cards are used for 35 and there are lots of them with that chipset do a search for yourself. Wasn't planning on China shipping. Have few cases laying around motherboards ddr3 cpus motherboards ssd etc etc. Just want to condense the 30 hds have stored away to the 3x8tb or what ever is best reliable/ tb per dollar. And have access to the drives. Unraid software seems fine and all purchased motherboards 4 to 6 ports I'm sure.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I don't know much about doing the home-brew servers. I had (still have) one, but when I built it, I put in 6x2TB HDDs (the cheapest but largest "sweet spot" in drives, they were $110 ea. at Microcenter on sale), and never really utilized the full capacity of the server. (Always planned to rip my optical drive collection, but never got around to it.)

I've still got the server, now re-built into a NZXT Source 210 case, with 8x 3.5" internal bays, and a few 5.25" bays I could drop in my cage and 4x 3.5" more drives, 12 drives in a fairly minimally-sized ATX chassis, not too bad. (I had them in a ChiefTec Dragon case before, that case was HUGE.)

For the same money, these days, I picked up 4x WD Red 8TB NAS drives (from BestBuy / WD "EasyStore" externals, shucked) for $180 ea., and a QNAP 4-bay TS-431 NAS that I picked up some time ago for $290, and I've got a 32TB (raw) / 21TB (formatted net) NAS unit that is MUCH smaller, and uses less juice. Granted, the unRAID 6x server is potentially a lot more functional and "beefy", but I rarely use it these days.

 

[killster1]

I don't know much about doing the home-brew servers. I had (still have) one, but when I built it, I put in 6x2TB HDDs (the cheapest but largest "sweet spot" in drives, they were $110 ea. at Microcenter on sale), and never really utilized the full capacity of the server. (Always planned to rip my optical drive collection, but never got around to it.)

I've still got the server, now re-built into a NZXT Source 210 case, with 8x 3.5" internal bays, and a few 5.25" bays I could drop in my cage and 4x 3.5" more drives, 12 drives in a fairly minimally-sized ATX chassis, not too bad. (I had them in a ChiefTec Dragon case before, that case was HUGE.)

For the same money, these days, I picked up 4x WD Red 8TB NAS drives (from BestBuy / WD "EasyStore" externals, shucked) for $180 ea., and a QNAP 4-bay TS-431 NAS that I picked up some time ago for $290, and I've got a 32TB (raw) / 21TB (formatted net) NAS unit that is MUCH smaller, and uses less juice. Granted, the unRAID 6x server is potentially a lot more functional and "beefy", but I rarely use it these days.

wow long post for recommending what seems to be a pos nas.. just spent 10 min reading reviews for ts-431 they say it cant handle more than 16tb. the firmware is terribble and Cpu has problem streaming. The 500mb memory can not be upgraded.. etc etc .. so yea they are 280$ look small and low power but maybe wayyy to low of power and zero expansion for future.. (you say you have 21tb nas t431 / shrug. really rather build something unless im going to drop 600$

 

[XavierMace]

wow long post for recommending what seems to be a pos nas.. just spent 10 min reading reviews for ts-431 they say it cant handle more than 16tb. the firmware is terribble and Cpu has problem streaming. The 500mb memory can not be upgraded.. etc etc .. so yea they are 280$ look small and low power but maybe wayyy to low of power and zero expansion for future.. (you say you have 21tb nas t431 / shrug. really rather build something unless im going to drop 600$

That's because your budget is at odds with your with your expectations unless you're reusing old parts for everything except the HBA. $300-$400 puts you squarely in the entry level network storage realm. If you want cheap but with grunt, you're going with older used hardware which isn't going to be power/heat friendly. If you want grunt and low power, you're going to have to go newer and it's not going to be cheap. You mentioned 4 streams, if you're wanting this to do transcoding of 4 streams, then you're going to need quite a bit of CPU grunt.

The only M1015's on ebay for $40 are from China. $80 is more realistic. Add another $20 for cables. I wouldn't do a build like this with an old power supply I had laying around so add another $80 for a power supply. Then there's questions of room for expansion, remote management, ease of upgrades/repairs, speed, etc.

Most of us with custom built NAS's are closer to $800-$1k without drives.

 

[VirtualLarry]

wow long post for recommending what seems to be a pos nas.. just spent 10 min reading reviews for ts-431 they say it cant handle more than 16tb. the firmware is terribble and Cpu has problem streaming. The 500mb memory can not be upgraded.. etc etc .. so yea they are 280$ look small and low power but maybe wayyy to low of power and zero expansion for future.. (you say you have 21tb nas t431 / shrug. really rather build something unless im going to drop 600$

You have a poor attitude about this, I think. Btw, a "NAS" that can handle transcoding four streams at the same time... you should use a Ryzen 1700 or something for that. Which QNAP sells, they start at around $1200.

I actually overlooked your need for transcoding. For pure file-storage (my usage), or even streaming some non-transcoded material, the TS-431 is fine. And the 16TB volume size limitation was with the older firmwares. Try reading some more up-to-date reviews of the unit. It's not a "POS". I was recommending it, because that's the budget that you're talking about. Like XavierMace said, "Most of us with custom built NAS's are closer to $800-$1k without drives.".

Your expectations and budget are not in alignment. When you correct that, get back to us.

Edit: You even said that you wanted a "low power" NAS. Which means, an appliance-type unit, with a wall-wart.

You want a full-blown PC server? Be prepared that they take a lot more power to run, especially at idle.

And if you want something a step up from the TS-431, look up the TS-451+. (I also have the TS-451, but I believe that the "plus" model is their current unit.) It contains a 64-bit Atom Celeron CPU, expandable RAM, and dual GigE ports, as well as some USB3.0 ports. It's also above your stated budget, which is why I mentioned the TS-431 rather than the TS-451.

 

[mxnerd]

If you want to save money, use existing hardware, and brave enough, there is hacked version of Synology called XPenology floating around you can try.

 

[killster1]

That's because your budget is at odds with your with your expectations unless you're reusing old parts for everything except the HBA. $300-$400 puts you squarely in the entry level network storage realm. If you want cheap but with grunt, you're going with older used hardware which isn't going to be power/heat friendly. If you want grunt and low power, you're going to have to go newer and it's not going to be cheap. You mentioned 4 streams, if you're wanting this to do transcoding of 4 streams, then you're going to need quite a bit of CPU grunt.

The only M1015's on ebay for $40 are from China. $80 is more realistic. Add another $20 for cables. I wouldn't do a build like this with an old power supply I had laying around so add another $80 for a power supply. Then there's questions of room for expansion, remote management, ease of upgrades/repairs, speed, etc.

Most of us with custom built NAS's are closer to $800-$1k without drives.

Sooo my question mostly was .. Is there a better card than m1015 nowdays. The data i was reading was from 2012 and if these cards are still best then thats what i will get. I do see several of them on ebay for 38$ local with "return policy fully tested". maybe if you dont search for m1015 and instead search for the exact card then you would see. ((LSI9240/9220)) etc..

I never really mentioned trans-coding x4 i guess it just depends what they are streaming. The psu's i have laying around are almost new 850g2 evga and 850hx corsair i dont think would need to buy one unless these are overkill. I really dont have a budget but dont see myself buying a prebuilt Nas right now with enough features to justify the price.
Yes the ts451 looked better but still limited to 4 bays 8gb and 600$. Really open to any combo for cpu motherboard but i do have the 1150 spare, 2500k idles at 5w doesnt seem bad. throw in a undervolt should bring it down in used watts. will run with no fan using hyper 212 core contact cooler.

leaning toward 2500k regular ddr3 / mobo with lsi 9220 . seems it is compatible withX Penology might give that a go too.

sorry for such long msgs on many topics!

 

[mxnerd]

XPenology does not require controller.

TerraMaster seems another choice.
https://www.amazon.com/TerraMaster-F4-220-2-41GHz-Business-Diskless/dp/B01G1YI0NC

 

[rchunter]

Sooo my question mostly was .. Is there a better card than m1015 nowdays. The data i was reading was from 2012 and if these cards are still best then thats what i will get. I do see several of them on ebay for 38$ local with "return policy fully tested". maybe if you dont search for m1015 and instead search for the exact card then you would see. ((LSI9240/9220)) etc..

If you are running a spinning hard drive the m1015 (LSI SAS-2008) flashed to IT mode is still pretty much the default standard for home built nas/servers. Make sure you have good air movement in your case because they run hot. Hotter than the Marvell chipset at least....

 

[killster1]

If you are running a spinning hard drive the m1015 (LSI SAS-2008) flashed to IT mode is still pretty much the default standard for home built nas/servers. Make sure you have good air movement in your case because they run hot. Hotter than the Marvell chipset at least....

Thanks, on my lunch i ordered the lsi 9220 for 38$ shipped. also tested streaming 7 videos at once from a measly 4tb easystore usb3.0 drive on my ac68 (ac1900 tmobile flashed to ac68 for 40$) 7 videos streamed fine to simultaneously multiple devices 3x galaxy s7's and 4 videos on the pc using VLC. Strange i figured it would choke but seemed to perform fine. Now seems like i changed my hard ware ideas

lsi 9220 (going to flash to IT) purchased 38$ shipped,

Hard drives 8tb red (or what ever is cheapest per gb/ efficiency)
samsung 863a 960gb (have one spare currently)
supermirco xx11ssh-f or gigabyte x170 motherboard (the gigabyte sure looks nice)
xeon 1240v5 or 1230v5 ( what ever can find for best performance per $)

Now i have to decide 16 or 32gb ecc, what case i will use and its location. spare antec 1200 cases/similar ac77 lianli or buy new case that is more rack mountable, would need new psu for sure if go that route.

 

[rchunter]

Nice. If it were me i'd definitely choose a supermicro board. More of a server board, plus I use a SM 4U SC846 chassis so they kind of fit together.

 

[aigomorla]

Nice. If it were me i'd definitely choose a supermicro board. More of a server board, plus I use a SM 4U SC846 chassis so they kind of fit together.

if im not mistaken, but i believe that backplane on that sm case can not support drives greater then 2tb?

 

[rchunter]

if im not mistaken, but i believe that backplane on that sm case can not support drives greater then 2tb?

hmm, I didn't link to any specific supermicro case. I didn't even recommend one.
I was talking about me specifically and what I am using.

 

[XavierMace]

if im not mistaken, but i believe that backplane on that sm case can not support drives greater then 2tb?

That would be hard to say without knowing the part number of the back plane, but I haven't seen any Supermicro backplanes having issues with > 2TB drives.

Thanks, on my lunch i ordered the lsi 9220 for 38$ shipped. also tested streaming 7 videos at once from a measly 4tb easystore usb3.0 drive on my ac68 (ac1900 tmobile flashed to ac68 for 40$) 7 videos streamed fine to simultaneously multiple devices 3x galaxy s7's and 4 videos on the pc using VLC. Strange i figured it would choke but seemed to perform fine. Now seems like i changed my hard ware ideas

lsi 9220 (going to flash to IT) purchased 38$ shipped,

Hard drives 8tb red (or what ever is cheapest per gb/ efficiency)
samsung 863a 960gb (have one spare currently)
supermirco xx11ssh-f or gigabyte x170 motherboard (the gigabyte sure looks nice)
xeon 1240v5 or 1230v5 ( what ever can find for best performance per $)

Now i have to decide 16 or 32gb ecc, what case i will use and its location. spare antec 1200 cases/similar ac77 lianli or buy new case that is more rack mountable, would need new psu for sure if go that route.

So much for that $300 budget.

 

[Red Squirrel]

For 4 bays or less a prebuilt NAS box is probably the cheapest option. Though it's going to be hard to stay under $300 especially WITH drives. If you absolutely need to stay under $300, then get a Raspberry Pi and USB portable hard drive. The issue with this is lack of redundancy and the performance is going to be rather poor since RPIs share the NIC and USB on the same bus.

For anything higher than 4 bays, it's probably more economical to do a build yourself and aim for like 8 or 24 bays. There does not seem to really be a sweet spot in between. A 12 bay or 16 bay server is going to cost almost as much as a 24 bay so if you go that route may as well go all in. You're looking at like 3 grand to build a half decent box though. A 24 bay Supermicro case alone is going to be around $1,500. Norco also makes one but it lacks redundant PSU, and half the time they arrive with a bad backplane etc. (I read reviews on those when I was in the market myself as they looked quite attractive - but in the end you save grief going Supermicro)

So for your budget I'd say go the 4 bay NAS or RPI route.

 

[XavierMace]

If you absolutely need to stay under $300, then get a Raspberry Pi and USB portable hard drive. The issue with this is lack of redundancy and the performance is going to be rather poor since RPIs share the NIC and USB on the same bus.

Really? Buying a RPi just to share a USB drive? That's utterly pointless. Just hook it up to your regular computer.

You're looking at like 3 grand to build a half decent box though. A 24 bay Supermicro case alone is going to be around $1,500.

Only if you live in Canada.

 

[rchunter]

That would be hard to say without knowing the part number of the back plane, but I haven't seen any Supermicro backplanes having issues with > 2TB drives.

I think he's talking about supermicros old SAS1 backplanes. Afaik they couldn't recognize drives larger than 2TB. I haven't had any personal experience with them though.

 

[mxnerd]

OP can totally run an ESXi server like many others if he gets the components listed and throw 32GB memory with it. Pass through the controller to the NAS VM, could have several other VMs running along with the NAS.

 

[killster1]

For 4 bays or less a prebuilt NAS box is probably the cheapest option. Though it's going to be hard to stay under $300 especially WITH drives. If you absolutely need to stay under $300, then get a Raspberry Pi and USB portable hard drive. The issue with this is lack of redundancy and the performance is going to be rather poor since RPIs share the NIC and USB on the same bus.

For anything higher than 4 bays, it's probably more economical to do a build yourself and aim for like 8 or 24 bays. There does not seem to really be a sweet spot in between. A 12 bay or 16 bay server is going to cost almost as much as a 24 bay so if you go that route may as well go all in. You're looking at like 3 grand to build a half decent box though. A 24 bay Supermicro case alone is going to be around $1,500. Norco also makes one but it lacks redundant PSU, and half the time they arrive with a bad backplane etc. (I read reviews on those when I was in the market myself as they looked quite attractive - but in the end you save grief going Supermicro)

So for your budget I'd say go the 4 bay NAS or RPI route.

My budget has been changed from 3-400 (The budget was for qnap type crappy box since i knew more than that i might as well build it)
new budget is what ever is reasonable, a 1500$ case doesnt seem reasonable to me. you seem to a extreme person. if not use 30$ rasberry pie must use 3,000$ server? heh you are 100x extreme.


My part list is about 740$ for what i currently need, servermobo/cpu/32gb ecc/lsi9220, the case is also undecided. should i use antec 1200, great airflow tons of space and hd mounts etc, or drop another 400$ (not 1500$) on a SM 4U SC846 chassis with BPN-SAS2-846EL1 backplane (yes it does have 2tb limitation on some of the backplane). Really dont see myself needing 24 bays ever and would need to build or buy a rack for this.

Maybe san Jose craigslist will have something interesting for racks.

fun stuff, thanks for reply squirrel, the basement photos you posted (if i remember correct) are inspiring really wish i had your budget and energy for this!

 

[simas]

Do you want an actual NAS or you want a server (which includes fileserver as part of it)? All of this ' servermobo/cpu/32gb ecc/lsi9220' is plain stupid if all you want is NAS.
Do you believe your time has some value or is it worthless ("free") and you want to spend it messing around with IT things?

if your time has any value and you want actual NAS, go buy cheap, supportable, low power device and be done with it.
if your time has value and you want a server for something real (business needs), go buy a server because support is 500% worth it as time is real money
if your time is "free" (aka worthless) and you still want a server- nothing wrong with this, go build yourself a server, however that is not pure NAS device.

Different devices for different needs..

figure out what you want and do it.

"put together a NAS that would overpower "
Why?