Which PSU

[smthmlk]

A few pages on in the pictorial there are pictures of an AX400 fortron unit, with "CapXon on the input side, Teapo's on the output." [ badcaps.net forum, build quality pictorial, post 66, FSP AX400-PN ] ... Not too awful

Looking at price alone, the AX line is generally significantly cheaper than the FSP line, but what does it mean? They're definitely cutting corners, and I've heard of more AX units failing than FSP, but i've not heard tons of reports that would indicate catastrophe. For a system with an X1900XTX in it, I would probably go with the FSP line just to be safe

I guess the OP bought an enhance (not a bad psu at all.)

 

[Baked]

Originally posted by: dBTelos

Originally posted by: Baked

Originally posted by: brikis98

Originally posted by: dBTelos
If I remember correctly it was you that posted that someone other then FSP makes the AX models. I just remembered from that and that I trust what you say.

And from many forum posts/threads (here and elsewhere), quality 400W supplies don't seem to cut it for a x1900xtx.

links?

He's just BSing. The Enhance ENP-5140GH is nothing like the "quality 400W PSU" in his mind.

Enhance fanboy?

No, I read reviews done right.

 

[East17]

Originally posted by: brikis98
I'm collecting parts for the following system:

My current PSU is an antec true 430w with only ~20A on the +12V rail, so i think it's time to upgrade it.

i've found the following PSU's and wanted suggestions/recommendations:

* Sparkle ATX-400PN-B204 400W: i believe sparkle is a reputable PSU company, and while the PSU is only 400w, the dual 12V rails (each of which is rated at 18A, i believe) can go up to 348W. what's wierd is the price is only $30... is something seriously wrong with this PSU or is this just a good deal??

* FSP Group (Fortron Source) AX450-PN 450W: again, i believe fortron is a good PSU company, this has dual +12V rails (18A each) and costs $49, which is also not too bad.

any help is appreciated

1. Keep the Antec ... overclock and see what you get ... I think Antec is ENOUGH .. try it and you'll see I'm right ... don't waste your money .


2.Sparkle is not that reputable .. in the PSU world is close to a NONAME ... well ... maybe not quite a NONAME ... i think they're ok .. but not comparable with Antec or Fortron ...

3.FSP Group (Fortron Source) ... are probable the best ... but try the 700W model ... not the 450W one because ... there's not much difference between the Antec 430 and the FSP 450 ...

Good luck !

 

[Bobthelost]

Originally posted by: East17
3.FSP Group (Fortron Source) ... are probable the best ... but try the 700W model ... not the 450W one because ... there's not much difference between the Antec 430 and the FSP 450 ...

Please think before typing next time. Or just don't type, either is good.

 

[Operandi]

Originally posted by: smthmlk
A few pages on in the pictorial there are pictures of an AX400 fortron unit, with "CapXon on the input side, Teapo's on the output." [ badcaps.net forum, build quality pictorial, post 66, FSP AX400-PN ] ... Not too awful

Looking at price alone, the AX line is generally significantly cheaper than the FSP line, but what does it mean? They're definitely cutting corners, and I've heard of more AX units failing than FSP, but i've not heard tons of reports that would indicate catastrophe. For a system with an X1900XTX in it, I would probably go with the FSP line just to be safe

I guess the OP bought an enhance (not a bad psu at all.)

Agreed, AX is still a pretty good value for the money.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: East17

Originally posted by: brikis98
I'm collecting parts for the following system:

My current PSU is an antec true 430w with only ~20A on the +12V rail, so i think it's time to upgrade it.

i've found the following PSU's and wanted suggestions/recommendations:

* Sparkle ATX-400PN-B204 400W: i believe sparkle is a reputable PSU company, and while the PSU is only 400w, the dual 12V rails (each of which is rated at 18A, i believe) can go up to 348W. what's wierd is the price is only $30... is something seriously wrong with this PSU or is this just a good deal??

* FSP Group (Fortron Source) AX450-PN 450W: again, i believe fortron is a good PSU company, this has dual +12V rails (18A each) and costs $49, which is also not too bad.

any help is appreciated

1. Keep the Antec ... overclock and see what you get ... I think Antec is ENOUGH .. try it and you'll see I'm right ... don't waste your money .


2.Sparkle is not that reputable .. in the PSU world is close to a NONAME ... well ... maybe not quite a NONAME ... i think they're ok .. but not comparable with Antec or Fortron ...

3.FSP Group (Fortron Source) ... are probable the best ... but try the 700W model ... not the 450W one because ... there's not much difference between the Antec 430 and the FSP 450 ...

Good luck !

Sparkle maks PSU`s that are way better than Antec and as good if not better than Fortron!!
IMO I would never use the word Antec and Fortron in the same sentence...lolol

 

[dBTelos]

Sparkle maks PSU`s that are way better than Antec and as good if not better than Fortron!!
IMO I would never use the word Antec and Fortron in the same sentence...lolol

For a two sentence post you couldn't have been wrong in more ways.

1) Sparkle doesn't make PSUs
2) Sparkle uses FSP for a OEM, just like Fortron
3) Antec's Trio and NeoHE are better then any Fortron
4) Antec and Fortron are similar in more then a few ways

 

[dBTelos]

Originally posted by: Baked

Originally posted by: dBTelos

Originally posted by: Baked

Originally posted by: brikis98

Originally posted by: dBTelos
If I remember correctly it was you that posted that someone other then FSP makes the AX models. I just remembered from that and that I trust what you say.

And from many forum posts/threads (here and elsewhere), quality 400W supplies don't seem to cut it for a x1900xtx.

links?

He's just BSing. The Enhance ENP-5140GH is nothing like the "quality 400W PSU" in his mind.

Enhance fanboy?

No, I read reviews done right.

I know that Enhance makes great PSUs, as many do, but sheesh. Everytime a PSU thread comes up you are always their with the 'Get the Enhance Enp-XXXX, it got a great rating from JG!' post. Believe it or not Enhance isn't the only quality PSU manufacturer out there.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: dBTelos

Sparkle maks PSU`s that are way better than Antec and as good if not better than Fortron!!
IMO I would never use the word Antec and Fortron in the same sentence...lolol

For a two sentence post you couldn't have been wrong in more ways.

1) Sparkle doesn't make PSUs
2) Sparkle uses FSP for a OEM, just like Fortron
3) Antec's Trio and NeoHE are better then any Fortron
4) Antec and Fortron are similar in more then a few ways

Again...you just don`t get it do you.....

We all know Sparkle dosn`t make PSU`s...but what you don`t seem understands is just becuase a PSU is made by a different companie doesn`t necessarily make is exactly alike...
There are a few companies such as zalman that after they recieve the PSU`s from th manufacturer they have there own engineers who finish the process of making the PSU!!

Antec Neo and the Trio are NOT better than any Fortron!!
Both those PSU`s albeit the Neo is made by Seasonic they both still for some reason have CAP issies...hmmmm

Similar and the same have no bearing on this discussion....
It has been said that just because a PSU is made by a different companie does not mean it is exactly the same or inferior or better than what the Company puts out under its own name....

Several companies after the fact have there own engineers such as zalman and PC Power & Cooling who check and adjust and even most likely add to the PSU`s theta they recieve....

Again......FSP and Fortron are one and the same...
Antec is NOT a good product at all!!

 

[Operandi]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Sparkle maks PSU`s that are way better than Antec and as good if not better than Fortron!!
IMO I would never use the word Antec and Fortron in the same sentence...lolol[/quote]

Forton-Source and Sparkle are the same company.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Operandi

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Sparkle maks PSU`s that are way better than Antec and as good if not better than Fortron!!
IMO I would never use the word Antec and Fortron in the same sentence...lolol

Forton-Source and Sparkle are the same company.[/quote]

your point? Sparkle and fortrons are better than Antc!!

 

[Operandi]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Operandi

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Sparkle maks PSU`s that are way better than Antec and as good if not better than Fortron!!
IMO I would never use the word Antec and Fortron in the same sentence...lolol

Forton-Source and Sparkle are the same company.

your point? Sparkle and fortrons are better than Antc!![/quote]
I'm clarifying. You stated Sparkle is potentially better then Forton which doesn?t make much sense since they are in fact the same.

 

[PianoMan]

Originally posted by: East17
1. Keep the Antec ... overclock and see what you get ... I think Antec is ENOUGH .. try it and you'll see I'm right ... don't waste your money .


2.Sparkle is not that reputable .. in the PSU world is close to a NONAME ... well ... maybe not quite a NONAME ... i think they're ok .. but not comparable with Antec or Fortron ...

3.FSP Group (Fortron Source) ... are probable the best ... but try the 700W model ... not the 450W one because ... there's not much difference between the Antec 430 and the FSP 450 ...

Good luck !

My X1900XT definitely makes my TP480Blue work for its living, but it's still tooling fine. However, if you're planning on overclocking, and you've got the budget, upgrading won't be too bad a thing.

Maybe look at PSU's with higher wattage ratings to compensate for OC'ing (the OC'ing gurus can chime in), since you'll be needing a bit of room for stability (start really pushing that Antec, it might protest a little).

But with your current config and not pushing clocks, your Antec should muddle along smartly.

PSU threads always seems to ellicit controversy, so I'll throw in some of my Antec fanboy'ism (but do acknowledge their QC issues in the past):

Go Antec!!! :heart:



PM

 

[Baked]

Originally posted by: dBTelos

Originally posted by: Baked

Originally posted by: dBTelos

Originally posted by: Baked

Originally posted by: brikis98

Originally posted by: dBTelos
If I remember correctly it was you that posted that someone other then FSP makes the AX models. I just remembered from that and that I trust what you say.

And from many forum posts/threads (here and elsewhere), quality 400W supplies don't seem to cut it for a x1900xtx.

links?

He's just BSing. The Enhance ENP-5140GH is nothing like the "quality 400W PSU" in his mind.

Enhance fanboy?

No, I read reviews done right.

I know that Enhance makes great PSUs, as many do, but sheesh. Everytime a PSU thread comes up you are always their with the 'Get the Enhance Enp-XXXX, it got a great rating from JG!' post. Believe it or not Enhance isn't the only quality PSU manufacturer out there.

Show me a PSU with Seasonic level quality that costs less than the Enhance ENP line and I'll stop pimping it in every thread. Link for PSU quality level.

 

[dBTelos]

Enhance ENP 400W : http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=PS-E51...bc7cbf1aa32b3d6c77f32f5bb0e7279d0b0ce1

$56

Silverstone Strider 400W (Enhance made, same quality as ENP PSUs) : http://tinyurl.com/kz3rf

$45

See, a Enhance ENP is not always the right answer. No single PSU is.

 

[dBTelos]

Again...you just don`t get it do you.....

Actually, I do.

We all know Sparkle dosn`t make PSU`s...but what you don`t seem understands is just becuase a PSU is made by a different companie doesn`t necessarily make is exactly alike...

So I like to be literal, that isn't a problem. And I do understand that just because say for instance Seasonic makes the Antec Trio doesn't mean it has the same quality as a S12.

Antec is NOT a good product at all!!

Well, Antec is a brand not a product. And many Antec's have proven to be great supplies.

Antec Neo and the Trio are NOT better than any Fortron!!

Actually, the NeoHE and Trio are better then any Fortron... !!!!!!

There are a few companies such as zalman that after they recieve the PSU`s from th manufacturer they have there own engineers who finish the process of making the PSU!!

I think you would have a hard time proving this.

Both those PSU`s albeit the Neo is made by Seasonic they both still for some reason have CAP issies...hmmmm

They are both made by Seasonic. And they don't have CAP issues, only the Smartpower, Truepower (with an exception of the Trio), and Neopower (CWT made Antecs) had CAP issues.

It has been said that just because a PSU is made by a different companie does not mean it is exactly the same or inferior or better than what the Company puts out under its own name....

Don't take me for a fool. I know that just because some CWT PSUs are great, doesn't make others just as good (for example).

Several companies after the fact have there own engineers such as zalman and PC Power & Cooling who check and adjust and even most likely add to the PSU`s theta they recieve....

No, any company that doesn't produce PSUs themselfs don't make changes to PSUs they order. Sometimes a company or brand will order something out of the ordinary from a manufactuer, but they don't change the PSUs themselfs.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: dBTelos

Again...you just don`t get it do you.....

Actually, I do.

We all know Sparkle dosn`t make PSU`s...but what you don`t seem understands is just becuase a PSU is made by a different companie doesn`t necessarily make is exactly alike...

So I like to be literal, that isn't a problem. And I do understand that just because say for instance Seasonic makes the Antec Trio doesn't mean it has the same quality as a S12.

Antec is NOT a good product at all!!

Well, Antec is a brand not a product. And many Antec's have proven to be great supplies.

Antec Neo and the Trio are NOT better than any Fortron!!

Actually, the NeoHE and Trio are better then any Fortron... !!!!!!

There are a few companies such as zalman that after they recieve the PSU`s from th manufacturer they have there own engineers who finish the process of making the PSU!!

I think you would have a hard time proving this.

Both those PSU`s albeit the Neo is made by Seasonic they both still for some reason have CAP issies...hmmmm

They are both made by Seasonic. And they don't have CAP issues, only the Smartpower, Truepower (with an exception of the Trio), and Neopower (CWT made Antecs) had CAP issues. -- you are wrong as usual...the Neo has been plagued by CAP issues!!

It has been said that just because a PSU is made by a different companie does not mean it is exactly the same or inferior or better than what the Company puts out under its own name....

Don't take me for a fool. I know that just because some CWT PSUs are great, doesn't make others just as good (for example).

Several companies after the fact have there own engineers such as zalman and PC Power & Cooling who check and adjust and even most likely add to the PSU`s theta they recieve....

No, any company that doesn't produce PSUs themselfs don't make changes to PSUs they order. Sometimes a company or brand will order something out of the ordinary from a manufactuer, but they don't change the PSUs themselfs.---wrong..case in point...PC Power & Cooling has there own engineers and they do add and change their PSU`s before they ship them as does Zalman!!

I am sorry you are such a neophyte when it comes to knowing what your talking about when it concerns PSU`s!!

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: dBTelos

Again...you just don`t get it do you.....

Actually, I do.

We all know Sparkle dosn`t make PSU`s...but what you don`t seem understands is just becuase a PSU is made by a different companie doesn`t necessarily make is exactly alike...

So I like to be literal, that isn't a problem. And I do understand that just because say for instance Seasonic makes the Antec Trio doesn't mean it has the same quality as a S12.

Antec is NOT a good product at all!!

Well, Antec is a brand not a product. And many Antec's have proven to be great supplies.

Antec Neo and the Trio are NOT better than any Fortron!!

Actually, the NeoHE and Trio are better then any Fortron... !!!!!!

There are a few companies such as zalman that after they recieve the PSU`s from th manufacturer they have there own engineers who finish the process of making the PSU!!

I think you would have a hard time proving this.

Both those PSU`s albeit the Neo is made by Seasonic they both still for some reason have CAP issies...hmmmm

They are both made by Seasonic. And they don't have CAP issues, only the Smartpower, Truepower (with an exception of the Trio), and Neopower (CWT made Antecs) had CAP issues. -- you are wrong as usual...the Neo has been plagued by CAP issues!!

It has been said that just because a PSU is made by a different companie does not mean it is exactly the same or inferior or better than what the Company puts out under its own name....

Don't take me for a fool. I know that just because some CWT PSUs are great, doesn't make others just as good (for example).

Several companies after the fact have there own engineers such as zalman and PC Power & Cooling who check and adjust and even most likely add to the PSU`s theta they recieve....

No, any company that doesn't produce PSUs themselfs don't make changes to PSUs they order. Sometimes a company or brand will order something out of the ordinary from a manufactuer, but they don't change the PSUs themselfs.---wrong..case in point...PC Power & Cooling has there own engineers and they do add and change their PSU`s before they ship them as does Zalman!!

I am sorry you are such a neophyte when it comes to knowing what your talking about when it concerns PSU`s!!

JediYODA...can you ever NOT be an ass to a member that is trying to provide useful information?

 

[dBTelos]

you are wrong as usual...the Neo has been plagued by CAP issues!!

Wow, the Neopower has Fuhjyyu caps, which is the source of your info. The NeoHE has decent caps that should last 6 years plus.

I am sorry you are such a neophyte when it comes to knowing what your talking about when it concerns PSU`s!!

I don't see how you come to this conclusion.

wrong..case in point...PC Power & Cooling has there own engineers and they do add and change their PSU`s before they ship them as does Zalman!!

To quote Jonny Guru, 'Do Tell'.

 

[Pythias]

Originally posted by: dBTelos
Enhance ENP 400W : http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=PS-E51...bc7cbf1aa32b3d6c77f32f5bb0e7279d0b0ce1

$56

Silverstone Strider 400W (Enhance made, same quality as ENP PSUs) : http://tinyurl.com/kz3rf

$45

See, a Enhance ENP is not always the right answer. No single PSU is.

The Enhance has 28 amps on the 12v and the Silverstone has 18....

 

[HexiumVII]

Seasonic has the highest effiency and is only $60 to boot. Probably the #1 power supply bar none.

 

[modestninja]

Originally posted by: HexiumVII
Seasonic has the highest effiency and is only $60 to boot. Probably the #1 power supply bar none.

Which Seasonic fits those characteristics?

And I think most people will agree that PCP&C power supplies are the #1 bar none (if price is no object). Not only is their actual power supply great, but they have amazing support and service.

Although, their high prices keep me away.

 

[jonnyGURU]

Hi!

The Saga PSU's are actually made by SPI/FSP. Remember that these guys through merger, aquisition and expansion have several factories.

The Saga compared to a Blue Storm or Epsilon is just a different level of quality. Sort of like comparing the Seasonics built for the Antec Trio and NeoHE and putting them against the Seasonics built for Corsair or PC Power and Cooling. Performance is good, but durability comes into question.

Bye!

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: jonnyGURU
Hi!

The Saga PSU's are actually made by SPI/FSP. Remember that these guys through merger, aquisition and expansion have several factories.

The Saga compared to a Blue Storm or Epsilon is just a different level of quality. Sort of like comparing the Seasonics built for the Antec Trio and NeoHE and putting them against the Seasonics built for Corsair or PC Power and Cooling. Performance is good, but durability comes into question.

Bye!

I have always considered Fortron as one of the better PSU makers, especially with the Bluestorm series and some of the Sparkle units. I believe that they are very reliable as well. Agree?

 

[brikis98]

Just to update... The Ehance ENP-5140gh arrived a couple days ago. I installed it and it seems to run my rig w/o a problem (specs in sig). the only complaint i have is that it doesn't have as many hookups (esp for peripherals) as my antec true430 did. i have just enough for the HD, DVD-RW and 4 case fans... if i add another HD, a case fan is gonna have to go.