Which political party is healthiest for health care?

[Vic]

Doesn't matter. It violates freedom and isn't the role of government. If people want more restriction on free speech do we just accept it?

So you're in favor of public nudity then?

 

[Incorruptible]

So you're in favor of public nudity then?

No.

 

[Vic]

No.

Why do you hate free speech?

 

[Incorruptible]

Why do you hate free speech?

I have always supported free speech. I said I don't favor it, I never said government should restrict them. Nice try with your liberal spin.

 

[Vic]

I have always supported free speech. I said I don't favor it, I never said government should restrict them. Nice try with your liberal spin.

You are impossible to take seriously.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Idiot. That did not start with Reagan, it started with Kennedy, and the reason was not to dump them on the street but to afford better, more compassionate treatment with outpatient options and medication in line with the civil rights movement of the day, moving away from merely locking up mentally ill people and keeping them from harming (or irritating) other people. Reagan's change was to change the federal government doling out grants as it wished (which also largely started with Kennedy, in order to move away from institutionalization as a standard practice) to block grants to the states, with the states deciding what they needed.

Everybody concentrates on the unfortunate mentally ill homeless people, but to those with a mental illness treatable by medication, not being locked up for life and forgotten is a godsend.

Hehehehehe.

That's right friend, Reagan closed mental hospitals because he cared about patient welfare, not because he wanted to reduce government costs and lower taxes.

Lanterman-Petris-Short Act anyone?

 

[Incorruptible]

You are impossible to take seriously.

Why? You're screwing around and I am not just accepting it.

 

[werepossum]

No, what I said is that both the people and the healthcare industry want government involvement in healthcare.

I think it's almost impossible to avoid government involvement in healthcare. Roughly half of all health care spending is by government; I cannot imagine that charities could replace that, and very few of us are so financially flush as to make unimaginable circumstances beyond our means.

Hehehehehe.

That's right friend, Reagan closed mental hospitals because he cared about patient welfare, not because he wanted to reduce government costs and lower taxes.

Lanterman-Petris-Short Act anyone?

From the wiki you guys seem to so appreciate:

The Lanterman–Petris–Short (LPS) Act (Cal. Welf & Inst. Code, sec. 5000 et seq.) concerns the involuntary civil commitment to a mental health institution in the State of California. The act set the precedent for modern mental health commitment procedures in the United States. It was co-authored by California State Assemblyman Frank D. Lanterman (R) and California State Senators Nicholas C. Petris (D) and Alan Short (D), and signed into law in 1967 by Governor Ronald Reagan. The Act went into full effect on July 1, 1972. It cited seven articles of intent:

To end the inappropriate, indefinite, and involuntary commitment of mentally disordered persons, people with developmental disabilities, and persons impaired by chronic alcoholism, and to eliminate legal disabilities;

To provide prompt evaluation and treatment of persons with serious mental disorders or impaired by chronic alcoholism;

To guarantee and protect public safety;

To safeguard individual rights through judicial review;

To provide individualized treatment, supervision, and placement services by a conservatorship program for gravely disabled persons;

To encourage the full use of all existing agencies, professional personnel and public funds to accomplish these objectives and to prevent duplication of services and unnecessary expenditures;

To protect mentally disordered persons and developmentally disabled persons from criminal acts.

The Act in effect ended all hospital commitments by the judiciary system, except in the case of criminal sentencing, e.g., convicted sexual offenders, and those who were "gravely disabled", defined as unable to obtain food, clothing, or housing [Conservatorship of Susan T., 8 Cal. 4th 1005 (1994)]. It did not, however, impede the right of voluntary commitments. It expanded the evaluative power of psychiatrists and created provisions and criteria for holds.

Those bastards!

Reagan signed a bill authored by one Republican and two Democrats and passed by a Democrat-controlled state legislature whose purpose was fully in line with what I described earlier. I am fairly confident in guessing that not a one of the people involved was wearing spandex, dry-washing his or her hands, petting a white Persian cat, or otherwise plotting the downfall of American civilization.

tl/dr: Idiot.

 

[Thebobo]

physician assisted suicide should not only be legalized in Virginia, but it should be promoted to intellectually disabled people like me.

Honestly you just seem a little eclectic to me. Your a lot more normal then all the other extremist assholes here, they are the real crazy ones.

 

[werepossum]

Honestly you just seem a little eclectic to me. Your a lot more normal then all the other extremist assholes here, they are the real crazy ones.

His only major problem is spending too much time on nutter web sites and too little time around real people. He's obviously a smart kid, albeit unable to drive because of eye issues IIRC, but he seems determined to set up circumstances to keep himself from succeeding.

 

[highland145]

I think it's almost impossible to avoid government involvement in healthcare. Roughly half of all health care spending is by government; I cannot imagine that charities could replace that, and very few of us are so financially flush as to make unimaginable circumstances beyond our means.


From the wiki you guys seem to so appreciate:


Those bastards!

Reagan signed a bill authored by one Republican and two Democrats and passed by a Democrat-controlled state legislature whose purpose was fully in line with what I described earlier. I am fairly confident in guessing that not a one of the people involved was wearing spandex, dry-washing his or her hands, petting a white Persian cat, or otherwise plotting the downfall of American civilization.

tl/dr: Idiot.

You bastard, you.

Appropriate comma?