Which party really respects soldiers and their families?

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MooseNSquirrel

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You cannot disparage people you disagree with as Putin lovers. You got to stop that. I am an Independent, I voted for Clinton, I do not like the far left drift the Democrats are taking. I am a centrist. I liked some of the Clintons policies and some of the policies I did not like. Period. Period.
"far left"...those words...they do not mean what you think they mean
 

Sunburn74

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Which political party really respects soldiers and their families?

Yes, I know that America is war weary, but which party actually votes "Yes" to pay troops and actually not cut funding?
Are troops not being paid? This news to me.

You realize that cuts to military funding doesn't necessarily mean cuts to soldier pay?
A lot of it is saying we don't need another 128 billion dollar nuclear submarine right now when we already have more than like the entire world combined or something.
 
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JSt0rm

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the guy is a russian. I bet this thread is added to 1000 more on other forums on the issue.
 

Stryke1983

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As another sign of disrespect the Republican Vice President traveled halfway across the world just to lie to soldiers faces about the cause of the shutdown just a few weeks ago. How can you stand in front of them and say that Trump was fighting hard to avoid a shutdown when he openly stated that he wanted it and he effectively vetoed a bi-partisan agreement to do it?

Gettyroad must be appalled at the disrespect shown. Right?
 

Thrashard

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I think a lot of people should be up in arms that we have a President who in many ways does not respect the military and has gone on record to call some of our Generals bad Generals! In fact didn`t Trump say if he were a General he would be the best General? Now mind youthis is coming from a draft dodging President...……..let that sink in.......

Everything about you is a fraud. I think it's disgraceful even using the seal of Solomon and using it over peoples head
 

Commodus

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Everything about you is a fraud. I think it's disgraceful even using the seal of Solomon and using it over peoples head

Do you actually have a response to his argument, or are you just going to be an immature brat? Mind you, everything JEDI said is completely true, so you have no defense.
 

DarthKyrie

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You're not very bright are you?

The president has no control over military pay raises. They are automatic and set to the rate of inflation.

NO President has ever given a raise above the rate of inflation. No president has ever cut pay. He can't.

You're easily duped.

And as a retired Army infantry soldier allow me to inform you yet again that in my retired time, Republicans have cut more funding for veterans than Democrats.

https://www.federalpay.org/military/raises

Get out of here with your facts and experiences they mean nothing compared to his feels, he knows that Obummer cut the military personnel's pay because the magic box with the talking heads told him so.

I love how the op ignored any post that gave him the facts. lmao.

His feels are worth more than your facts and figures, hard data never outweighs feels.
 

JSt0rm

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But this one is an independent. He was clear about that. He's an independent!

eve back during the election they would pose as peple who voted dem and then spew some ultra right wing crap. Its all russian troll farms. These forums are searchable. The very fact that this thread exists probably changes algorithms when added to thousands of others.
 
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wirelessenabled

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Actually it did not. Prove it. Obama voted in 2007 to cut funding for troops. I'm not a Republican or a Democrat, but the facts was there before he ran for president that he had something against paying troops. There is a reason why the McCain-Palin campaign railed against that.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...ver-here-s-how-the-military-rates-his-legacy/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ne...ack-Obama-of-endangering-her-son-in-Iraq.html

Neither party has a monopoly on the U.S. military but elements of the Democratic Party for years has always disrespected them and belittled their service by worrying about civilians overseas instead of the mission at hand.

Clueless much?
 

blankslate

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The most anti-war people I know are people who served. The biggest hawks I know are people who never served, or served and were never deployed.

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard is like this for all of her flaws and other policy positions that she can be attacked on... I believe that she is currently the candidate who I most agree with on Foreign Policy particularly in the use of military force.
She is pretty much the only candidate who is running who has served and that service has informed her current stance on foreign policy which is decidedly against regime change wars and only for defense against a credible threat of attack. Saddam Hussein had no capability to attack us. Neither did Khaddaffi (he gave up nuclear weapons development because we asked him to and he foolishly trusted the U.S. not to overthrow him... now there are open slave markets in Libya), Assad of Syria also is not a credible threat to us.

I hope that Rep. Gabbard is in the Democratic Primary debates to push the Democratic party more toward where it should be in regards to foreign policy.


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glenn1

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I don’t! I do think that we should not deify military members in the way we currently do though.

To this day people feel compelled to thank me for my service, something that ended 13 years ago. This is stupid, as I didn’t do it for them. Let’s just help the veterans who need help and leave it at that, no need for the weird ass kissing and concerns about who might be ‘disrespecting’ the troops.

Ditto. As a veteran also I can say that "soldiers and their families" deserve the same level of respect from political parties as any other group. For example there are roughly equal numbers of active duty service members nowadays as their are transgender people in the U.S. (around 1.3MM or so) yet the former gets fêted upon and the later are still basically shit on (moreso by one party than the other but still are). Likewise "the deplorables" which Hillary decried should get the same respect as Romney's "47% who pay no income tax" who should get the same respect as "soliders and their families" or anyone else. And it would be good for everyone since people who respect each other don't try to impose their lifestyles and belief systems on others which is IMHO the #1 biggest problem in the country right now. With all due respect to him I sure as hell don't want to live the lifestyle of @fskimospy nor likely would he want to live mine and the goal of politics shouldn't be to force one of us to do so.
 

Amused

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Ditto. As a veteran also I can say that "soldiers and their families" deserve the same level of respect from political parties as any other group. For example there are roughly equal numbers of active duty service members nowadays as their are transgender people in the U.S. (around 1.3MM or so) yet the former gets fêted upon and the later are still basically shit on (moreso by one party than the other but still are). Likewise "the deplorables" which Hillary decried should get the same respect as Romney's "47% who pay no income tax" who should get the same respect as "soliders and their families" or anyone else. And it would be good for everyone since people who respect each other don't try to impose their lifestyles and belief systems on others which is IMHO the #1 biggest problem in the country right now. With all due respect to him I sure as hell don't want to live the lifestyle of @fskimospy nor likely would he want to live mine and the goal of politics shouldn't be to force one of us to do so.

Wow. Way to keep using vets as a tool there.

Funny, I don't recall any of us vets having an epidemic of hate violence against us and being told they can use the shitter but... hey... keep reachin for that rainbow.
 
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glenn1

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Wow. Way to keep using vets as a tool there.

Funny, I don't recall any of us vets having an epidemic of hate violence against us and being told they can use the shitter but... hey... keep reachin for that rainbow.

<confused> So which part of my statement do you disagree with? That everyone (including groups like trans people) should get the high level of respect that soldiers get? That while soldiers deserve respect like anyone else it doesn't need to be a forced, self-conscious, over the top level of it like goes on nowadays?
 

obidamnkenobi

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When was the last time a Democratic president had a hours-long meeting on defense and actually respected and listened to what the generals had to say instead of politicizing the military?

I'm curious how you've been to every meeting the Democratic presidents have had on defense to know that they are not an hour long, and don't "respect" the generals (WTF does that mean?)?

I mean Obama blew the legs of more little brown children with drones than Bush could ever dream of, I would think that would give every Republican a solid war-boner? That'll make america strong right?
 

fskimospy

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eve back during the election they would pose as peple who voted dem and then spew some ultra right wing crap. Its all russian troll farms. These forums are searchable. The very fact that this thread exists probably changes algorithms when added to thousands of others.

It is kind of amazing that every single one of these people who apparently believes endless ultra right wing conspiracy theories stretching back years or decades was totally a committed Democrat until just the other day.
 

zinfamous

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eve back during the election they would pose as peple who voted dem and then spew some ultra right wing crap. Its all russian troll farms. These forums are searchable. The very fact that this thread exists probably changes algorithms when added to thousands of others.

It is the Slow MO, after all: "I am the one true liberal! Now, listen to me as I vomit out a string of anti-democratic fundamentalist ultra rightwing nonsense, because that's true liberalism!"