Which option would you recommend?

infernox

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I've been looking into buying a new graphics card for over a month now but can't decide. I'm using a dell inspiron 530s with core 2 duo E4500 @2.2ghz, 3gb DDR2 ram, 240gb sata, 1280x1024 19inch monitor and windows xp. Since its a slimline computer I can only go for low profile cards. I'm currently using a HD2400 pro which has been overclocked from 525/400 to 650/500.

The main problem is of course the 250w tfx power supply that came with the dell. The amps for the power supply are +3.3V (11/0.0A), +5V (18/2.0A), +12V (17/0.0A), -12V (0.3/0.0A), +5VSB (2.0/0.0A), +5V and +3.3V-120W maximum output. I've had this computer for over a year using the overclocked graphics card without any problems.

The four options I currently have are:

1. Buy the hd5570-low power card with alot better performance then my current card. I think it should work fine as it has a max power draw of 42w while the stock 2400 pro has a max power draw of 25w. No idea how much power the overclocked 2400 pro uses.

2. Wait for the HD5670 low profile-no idea when its coming out or the cost. The normal 5670s are cheaper then the 5570's in the UK. The normal 5670 has a max power draw of 61w but I'm expecting the low profile version to have slightly less. I was told it could work on a dell 250w power supply but still risky.

3. Buy this psu and wait for the HD5670 low profile-Would reduce the risk as the psu has more watts and is more efficient but it would increase the cost. If low profile version is priced the same as the normal then the decision is about whether i should spend £25 more for 10-15 fps increase on the 5570. I could maybe go for the 5750 low profile when it releases.

4. Buy a new case, psu and HD5670/5750/5770-The psu I'm looking at is a corsair cx400w. Costs the same as the tfx power supply and case is pretty cheap aswell. The motherboard is mATX so it should work with an ATX psu. With a better power supply and more space I could fit a better graphics card but that would increase the cost. There is also the issue of moving the motherboard into another case which I have never done before, so it could be risky. Wondering if it would be worth it since I can only use DX9 with windows xp.
 

infernox

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The problem is would the low profile 5700 cards be able to run on my current 250w power supply or the fsp 300w power supply i could buy.
 

dpodblood

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If you took the guts out of the dell and put them into another cheap case you would be no longer be limited by the form factor. Then you could go with any PSU and video card you feel like. Just a thought...

Something like this would be cheap enough to justify:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811233062

You may be nervous about swapping the parts out, but I assure you it isn't too difficult.
 

infernox

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Well the 5750 only uses 85 watts at load, that only 7 amps on the 12v rail, you have 17.

Dell psu's are very good psu's.
Whats the ratings on the 300 watt model ? any better?

Is this it?

http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16817104031

i linked to it in my original post but i might aswell link to it again. its this 1.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817104072

If you took the guts out of the dell and put them into another cheap case you would be no longer be limited by the form factor. Then you could go with any PSU and video card you feel like. Just a thought...

Something like this would be cheap enough to justify:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811233062

You may be nervous about swapping the parts out, but I assure you it isn't too difficult.

thats was my fourth option in my original post. i have no experience of moving a motherboard into another case. the rear I/O panel is also built into the case but has a removable mesh type panel. it would at least keep the dust out.

What games are you playing and want to play?

my resolution is only 1280x1024 and i only have windows xp. so really any game on dx9 with high settings at that resolution.
 

dpodblood

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my resolution is only 1280x1024 and i only have windows xp. so really any game on dx9 with high settings at that resolution.

This is going to vary greatly from game to game. Stating your resolution and detail settings alone is not enough information. A PC that can run quake 3 on high at 1280x1024 @ 200FPS, may not be able to run Crysis on low at 640x480 @ 15FPS.
 

infernox

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im just looking at cards that would either run on my 250w power supply or on the 300w power supply i have linked that are better then my current overclocked hd2400 pro. in my original post i told you some options i have.
 

Keysplayr

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If you took the guts out of the dell and put them into another cheap case you would be no longer be limited by the form factor. Then you could go with any PSU and video card you feel like. Just a thought...

Something like this would be cheap enough to justify:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811233062

You may be nervous about swapping the parts out, but I assure you it isn't too difficult.

Sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn't. Depending on the mobo, the mounting holes may not line up in the new case and drilling and tapping is required for new holes.
And, some PSU's are proprietary to Dell. Meaning they "may" have a different connector from PSU to mobo. So, care is needed before going forward with this option if the OP decides to do something like this. Just FYI.
 

infernox

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From what I can see low profile 9800gt seems to make a lot of noise and runs pretty hot. I have a slim pc so it has mediocre cooling. I can't find the low profile version in the UK anyway, I can't find the low profile gts250 either.
 

infernox

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fair point. i just recieved a message from msi. i asked them if they had any idea when the low profile 5670 would be released and they replied.

'At this point we do not have any plans for it therefore I don't think it would be on the market any time soon. Please check in a month or so if you would like to wait, we might have some update.'

It's a bit odd that they already announced it and have it on their product page but have no plans for it at this point
 

dpodblood

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Sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn't. Depending on the mobo, the mounting holes may not line up in the new case and drilling and tapping is required for new holes.
And, some PSU's are proprietary to Dell. Meaning they "may" have a different connector from PSU to mobo. So, care is needed before going forward with this option if the OP decides to do something like this. Just FYI.

He can always go caseless. :D
 

infernox

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what brand would you recommend for the 5570? I see that the powercolor is cheaper but has lowered memory clock speeds.
 

infernox

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well i ended up going for the sapphire 5570 as it had the same clocks as the reference 5570, was the second cheapest card and because the powercolor picture shows that it wasnt a low profile card.
 

cusideabelincoln

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5570 is a huge upgrade over an HD2400.

I asked what games you would be playing as I could give you sort of a reference point of what to expect. An HD3850 and 5570 are pretty close in performance, and I have a 3850. It does pretty well at 1280x1024, but it also chokes when you crank the settings or AA in more recent and demanding games. And there are a few games which are very processor-dependent (Team Fortress 2), and your E4500 will hold back your card.
 

infernox

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i might overclock my e4500 to boost performance. people have overclocked it to 2.8ghz on the stock cooling but i dont think i would go that high as i only have a 250w power supply.

ive also seen that an overclocked 5570 can come very close and even beat the 5670 by a few fps. like the cpu i would only overclock a little just to be safe.