::::------- Which one to buy AMD R9 290 or Leadtek GTX 780 (same price) -------:::

[Serious Gamer]

Personally I like the MSI. It's not the best 290, but it's not a bad card. There were some complaints about the fan oil, I'm not sure how that has panned out. I believe the asus had some heatpipes missing the gpu, plus their warranty is terrible (in the US, which I note you aren't purchasing from).

I personally would rather have overkill in the PSU department, if you ever decide to go SLI/Crossfire then you have the capability to do so. Where those the only PSUs available locally? Get a high quality PSU and it will outlast the rest of your PC. Seasonic and the brands which rebrand (XFX might have been one of them) them are generally regarded as excellent PSUs. PSUs have efficiency curves and it's been a while since I read about them in depth but I have the opinion that they are still very efficient even if you only use a portion of the rated wattage.

I'd go with a 800-1000w PSU if you'll ever consider dual gpu. If not then a high quality 600w would be plenty.

first of all thanks for your replay ,for the msi like you said it's not a bad card they all heve recommended it but i've found her price cheap then the Asus do you have any clue why is that, and for the PSUs no they aren't the only one available but they are the cheapest haha and i am not planing to spend much money for it, but why u asking are they really that bad?? i will took your and everyone advice i'll buy PSUs Between 500W-650W any models u can suggest??

 

[Face2Face]

Wow, what happened to the GTX 780? IIRC, it was trading punches with 290X when the 290X launched. How the hell is the the 7970 Ghz so close to it in performance?

I can say if TPU is using their reference GTX 780, then it's barely boosting to 1Ghz. They were only able to get 1050Mhz on their OC test with the reference card, so keep that in mind. I haven't looked into the other sites.

 

[EvilNodZ]

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/asus-radeon-r9-290-directcuii-oc-review,1.html

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/msi-radeon-r9-290x-gaming-oc-review,1.html

Here are links to reviews of both the coolers you are looking at. I know the MSI one is a 290X but it uses the same cooler on the 290. I would go with the MSI card over the ASUS card but both are better than any of the stock AMD coolers.

 

[Serious Gamer]

how bad they're Compare to the Saphire ,PowerColor and XFX Models i am talking about the MSI and Asus do u have a comparison between all the Models if u do please attached it here, for the MSI R9 290 4GD5 GAMING Card is it the same MSI Twin FrozorII Card?? i hope u can clarify all my questions thanks.

 

[Serious Gamer]

I Just Bought The Thermaltake Smart ES 730W For MSI Twin Forzr R9 290X What Do you think ?

 

[swilli89]

These are the latest TPU charts

As you can see the 780 leads the 280x/7970Ghz by a dissapointing 9% at 1080p, if you game at a higher resolution that shrinks to 5%, while the 290 extends its lead. Yes, the vanilla 780 has a lot of overclocking headroom, but then it isn't as powerful a card it used to be before the PS4/XB1, its new games, and Maxwell cards (970/980) arrived. Its performance has fallen off a cliff these days.


You aren't telling us what 290 you have in mind. If you're considering an aftermarket 290, the fact that it's well cooled eliminates powertune's throttling, not to mention they usually come with a small factory OC... add these two together, and such a 290 performs at a stock 290x's level. The 290 is usually good for another 10-15% overclock without getting too power greedy. So guide yourself by the 290x's position in these charts... As you can see the 780 has nothing to do against an aftermarket 290 = 290x.


If you're looking at a reference 290 with the stock blower of hell, then don't bother unless you can get better cooling for it... or you use headphones.

No offense but I keep seeing this mistake made with percentages. That's not how percentages work. That chart is indexed to a reference card that is not the 790 OR the 7970. You can't just subtract the difference between two cards to another card's referenced 100%.

Example:

Lets say 100% of a 980's performance is 100 FPS for simplicity's sake.

The 7970 is performing at 61% or 61 FPS
The 780 is hitting 70% or 70 FPS

Once you do this, we can say that the 780 is hitting 9 more FPS than the 7970.

9/61 = 0.15 or 15%

In other words, almost double than your claimed 9%.

 

[Serious Gamer]

Hi swilli89 ,can u give me your opinion about the PSU that i've Bought ?

 

[.vodka]

Yup, you're right.

Still, doesn't change the fact that Kepler performance has gone off a cliff on recent and not so recent games.

 

[RussianSensation]

No offense but I keep seeing this mistake made with percentages. That's not how percentages work. That chart is indexed to a reference card that is not the 790 OR the 7970. You can't just subtract the difference between two cards to another card's referenced 100%.

I don't think anyone was subtracting %s. The reference in question were 280X/7970Ghz not a stock 925mhz 7970. As others mentioned, a reference 290 beats a reference 780 easily (and 780 is actually very close to a 7970Ghz).

After-market R9 290 such as the MSI Gaming is as fast as a reference R9 290X.
http://www.computerbase.de/2014-05/amd-radeon-r9-290-290x-roundup-test/2/

Therefore, right off the bat an after-market R9 290 is going to be faster than a reference 780. Of course if one gets a faster factory overclocked 780, the lead will close but 780 still has 3GB of VRAM vs. 4 for the 290.

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As far as that PSU goes, it's not great at all:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Thermaltake/SP-730P/10.html

I would have considered getting a Gold rated Corsair, Antec, Enermax, LEPA, or Seasonic instead of a Thermaltake.

 

[Serious Gamer]

Hey guys ,i am the one who should be consider on this thread ,why everyone ignore my question ?????

 

[Serious Gamer]

I Already got the Thermaltake Smart ES 730W how bad is it ?

 

[.vodka]

I Just Bought The Thermaltake Smart ES 730W For MSI Twin Forzr R9 290X What Do you think ?

http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9978

Doesn't seem to be the best in its price range (as are most TT PSUs), but it should power your 290x without problems.

As far as that PSU goes, it's not great at all:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Thermaltake/SP-730P/10.html

I would have considered getting a Gold rated Corsair, Antec, Enermax, LEPA, or Seasonic instead of a Thermaltake.

I agree. That review is for the non-SE version of that 730w PSU, in that forum thread I linked they seem to consider both versions in the same basket so there you have it... It'll do the job, try not to buy TT PSUs again, seriousgamer.

 

[Serious Gamer]

Hey Vodka thanks ,so i will have no problem with it powering my 290x or reduce my 290x performance, it's just not the good options right ?

 

[Z15CAM]

http://www.amazon.ca/Monoprice-1027...&qid=1426721049&sr=8-4&keywords=monoprice+dvi

 

[Vesku]

Hey Vodka thanks ,so i will have no problem with it powering my 290x or reduce my 290x performance, it's just not the good options right ?

It should be fine but keep in mind it is lower mid quality so best to stick to a single 290(X). I don't know what your other PSU options were in that same price category nor whether you are still able to return your current TT unit so can't recommend alternatives.

 

[StinkyPinky]

I have a gold standard 650W PSU which is ample for a single GPU.

Ignore the 750W requirement for the 290x, that's just for ultra budget crap psu's. Any decent 600W+ PSU will do fine.

 

[Serious Gamer]

thank you i am a little depressed, because the one who bought it to me he told me this the best PSU with the best price ,i don't know what to do ,it has 87% Efficiency, is it the Gold or the Bronze, because he keep confirming to me it's the Gold one, but as i can see it's the Bronze ,so what is the Fraction of Rated Load?

 

[RussianSensation]

thank you i am a little depressed, because the one who bought it to me he told me this the best PSU with the best price ,i don't know what to do ,it has 87% Efficiency, is it the Gold or the Bronze, because he keep confirming to me it's the Gold one, but as i can see it's the Bronze ,so what is the Fraction of Rated Load?

That's not how it works. The efficiency rating is applied at the wall. For example, if your computer is using 500W of power at the PSU level with an 87% rated PSU, then the power draw at the wall is 500W/0.87 = 575W. (it's not as simple since the PSU's efficiency is a curve not a straight line depending on the load levels). The efficiency rating determines how much extra electricity/power will be wasted to provide 500W of power. In other words a Bronze, Gold, Platinum, Titanium 750W PSUs from the same manufacturer will all handle 500W of power but do so at different ripple levels, efficiencies, noise levels, etc. because generally speaking the higher efficiency rated PSUs have higher quality capacitors/components/PCBs, etc. You can easily run a Core i7+R9 290 system on a high quality 520-550W PSU. Your PSU should be more than enough.

 

[Serious Gamer]

That's not how it works. The efficiency rating is applied at the wall. For example, if your computer is using 500W of power at the PSU level with an 87% rated PSU, then the power draw at the wall is 500W/0.87 = 575W. (it's not as simple since the PSU's efficiency is a curve not a straight line depending on the load levels). The efficiency rating determines how much extra electricity/power will be wasted to provide 500W of power. In other words a Bronze, Gold, Platinum, Titanium 750W PSUs from the same manufacturer will all handle 500W of power but do so at different ripple levels, efficiencies, noise levels, etc. because generally speaking the higher efficiency rated PSUs have higher quality capacitors/components/PCBs, etc. You can easily run a Core i7+R9 290 system on a high quality 520-550W PSU. Your PSU should be more than enough.

Ok good, so it's fine if i kept this PSU. i will have no issues running my R9 290X Or my other component in high level even after doing the OverClock ,and from what i understand there's no much different between the Bronze and the Gold ? can u explain to me what's the Wall mean ? sorry for being noob but can you also tell me if mine is Bronze or Gold thanks ?,

 

[xthetenth]

At the wall means the power draw from the outlet, rather than the amount delivered by the PSU to the computer.