Which one of you ATOTers did this? Scammed Wal Mart to get Play Station 4 for less...

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moonbogg

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Time to put down the crackpipe.

I promise you this. I am the most insane, sober, drug free, actually sane person you will ever come across throughout your entire existence.

Wow, never realized you were an actual crazy person. :D

KT

Crazy is necessary given the circumstances. I am crazy enough to actually die in traffic trying to save your kids, but how many would do the same for mine? Would you?
This world needs crazy people like me. Enough is enough.

Selfishness and unjust behavior is necessary to kick start life. That phase must end in order continue on. It isn't ending here. We need to do drastic things to delegitimize unjust laws, like buy a PS4 for $90.00, be willing to die for strangers who wouldn't do the same in return, and slow down in traffic for someone to merge. I will save you because you can't save yourself.
 
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SlitheryDee

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I marvel at people who claim an accurate, well calibrated moral compass based on their willingness to follow the law. A time will come when the laws of today are seen as archaic and very unjust and unfair, designed only to protect unjust people.

A beggar finds a piece of bread on the floor in the market, and you would cut their hand off for picking it up and eating it? A person who is over taxed, tricked, taken advantage of, has no health care, can't own a home, is always at the losing end of miles of fine print and red tape they couldn't possibly understand, and you would cut their hand off for eating a lost piece of bread on the floor because its technically against the rules of the system that has battered them?
You make me sick. You have no morality. You have fear and conformity, just like a Nazi.

It has nothing to do with law. Stealing is wrong. I don't steal because of the responsibility I feel to myself and the duty I have set for myself to be a moral person. My actions are governed far more strictly than any law ever could because I am forced to be responsible to myself for doing things that I know are wrong, regardless of what any law of the land say is wrong.

What you are championing is mob mentality. Like I said, morality starts with you. You have to be part of the dam that resists the flow of the mob, not one that follows it into absolute chaos. Not someone who defines their morals on what others do and uses that to find loopholes in their own moral system, escalating what they allow themselves to do with each slight they can pin on other people or entities besides themselves. When you know something is wrong, you don't do it. That's all.
 

ImpulsE69

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Learn2adblock....

Oh wait then you would be stealing again. ;)

Sarcasm aside, you are right. All these people who want to bicker over right and wrong and morals need to remove adblock ASAP. They are stealing. Not only are they morally wrong, they are stealing. :colbert: But I bet you they will come up with all kinds of excuses why it isn't and how it's not wrong at all which all just boil down to their own idea of right and wrong, but I'll say it again, they are stealing.
 
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Ichinisan

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I marvel at people who claim an accurate, well calibrated moral compass based on their willingness to follow the law. A time will come when the laws of today are seen as archaic and very unjust and unfair, designed only to protect unjust people.

A beggar finds a piece of bread on the floor in the market, and you would cut their hand off for picking it up and eating it? A person who is over taxed, tricked, taken advantage of, has no health care, can't own a home, is always at the losing end of miles of fine print and red tape they couldn't possibly understand, and you would cut their hand off for eating a lost piece of bread on the floor because its technically against the rules of the system that has battered them?
You make me sick. You have no morality. You have fear and conformity, just like a Nazi.
Can't you go bankrupt if you can't handle your debt?
 

Jeeebus

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Scumbags gonna be scumbags.



Rape is the classic example of victim blaming, and it's used to illustrate the absurdity of victim blaming. The crimes don't need to be comparable for the comparison to be appropriate. Only on ATOT would I have to explain this. No, wait, there are stupid people everywhere.



I was hoping I could just make the reference without spelling it out as if I was speaking to kindergarteners, but I see now that was unreasonably optimistic.
 

Mai72

Lifer
Sep 12, 2012
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Dummies.

Walmart will be going after these people even if they didn't post their receipts online. They have the money to do it. If you paid with a credit card you are screwed. Now these people will have a criminal record and for what? A stupid game console.

Have fun finding work with a criminal record.
 

Ricochet

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Amazon should at the very least permaban whoever setup the fake Amazon store listing. That is a clear violation of Amazon policy. If Walmart decides to prosecute that individual, Amazon should relinquish his info. This is a SCAM through and through. Anybody else taking part is not doing it with good intentions.
 
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Just like a girl walking down the street with a short skirt, right? She DESERVED to be raped. No crime committed.

Your view on this is similar to what some of my wife's students said a few years ago - they thought it was perfectly ok to go to a department store and swap the price tags on items so that when they buy what they want, it's for a much cheaper price. They couldn't understand why that was stealing. Can you?

Unlike those situations, it is entirely possible (and plausible) for someone that doesn't intend to rip anyone off to browse Amazon.com and bring up a page and try to Price Match it (Not knowing of 3rd Party sellers and such).

Your average person doesn't know or doesn't care who sells, they just want their shit.
 

PliotronX

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I promise you this. I am the most insane, sober, drug free, actually sane person you will ever come across throughout your entire existence.



Crazy is necessary given the circumstances. I am crazy enough to actually die in traffic trying to save your kids, but how many would do the same for mine? Would you?
This world needs crazy people like me. Enough is enough.

Selfishness and unjust behavior is necessary to kick start life. That phase must end in order continue on. It isn't ending here. We need to do drastic things to delegitimize unjust laws, like buy a PS4 for $90.00, be willing to die for strangers who wouldn't do the same in return, and slow down in traffic for someone to merge. I will save you because you can't save yourself.

I don't know man, you go off on tangents when the real unjust law is arresting a guy who feeds homeless people, not laws affecting individuals gaming the system for entertainment who more than likely don't even work at walmart. At target they hold you accountable for eff ups like not recognizing simple pricechecks. I hear walmart employees are paid higher than equivalent target employees so who is really getting bent over?
 

Sonikku

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Unlike those situations, it is entirely possible (and plausible) for someone that doesn't intend to rip anyone off to browse Amazon.com and bring up a page and try to Price Match it (Not knowing of 3rd Party sellers and such).

Your average person doesn't know or doesn't care who sells, they just want their shit.

I didn't know the 75%+ off sale on the PS4 probably wasn't legit.

I DIDN'T KNOW!! :eek:
 
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I laugh at the people that think this is stealing.

It's very close to stealing, would you be proud to tell your Boss or Mother that you set up an amazon store page then listed a PS4 at an unrealistic price and got WalMart to price match it?
I wouldn't so that to me is very close to theft.
 
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Still paid too much.

And this!
My PS3 has been barely used, seriously I think its been used around 1 hour. To me shooters are frustrating with a controller and other games are so bland & dumbed down its boring then add a bunch of preteens yelling i love you and the N word that sums up the online experience.
 

zinfamous

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Taking advantage of their system it is but if you are going to run a matching program and not have any restrictions like that or educate your employees then it's their fault. ;)

It's like those people that find a price mistake on a website and order it before it gets noticed where instead of it costing say $120 it's marked as $12.

obviously these two situations are very different. You realize that, right?

These people are creating fake listings and passing them off as legitimate.
 

M0oG0oGaiPan

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yeah this is pretty much fraud.

if someone's actually selling it for that price than more power to you. But if you're making a fake listing, you might as well go ahead and photoshop something.

what would be interesting to see is if someone put up a ps4 on sale for cheap and messed with a fba seller using a repricer that has no minimum set.
 

Blanky

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The guy calls it a jig. I think it qualifies quite well as theft, or at the least a likely illegal confidence trick.

It's extremely similar to taking the price tag from a low cost item and putting it on a high cost one and having the low cost ring up (made harder nowadays because barcodes are on most items).
 

jagec

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yeah this is pretty much fraud.

if someone's actually selling it for that price than more power to you. But if you're making a fake listing, you might as well go ahead and photoshop something.
I agree with this. If you made the listing, you know good and well that it's fake, and while it may be on Amazon's site, it's not really "Amazon". In my mind this is partially Amazon's fault as well, though, since they don't exactly go out of their way to make it clear when items are being sold through a 3rd party.

Where it gets hazy is if someone else puts up a listing at a questionably-low price, and you use that listing to PM at Walmart. For example, let's say that Walmart starts PMing craigslist for some insane reason. Can you pull up a listing at a suspiciously-low price (which is 99% likely to be a scam) and use that to PM, guilt-free?

Now what if you're an idiot who honestly doesn't know how to recognize a scam when they see one, and who would be perfectly happy to pull the trigger on the craigslist purchase, but live next to a Walmart anyway? I feel that at some point it becomes Walmart's problem again, but I'm not exactly sure where that line is.