Which one of you ATOTers did this? Scammed Wal Mart to get Play Station 4 for less...

[dphantom]

Seriously though you did nothing but brought in a piece of paper to see if they will match a price and did nothing wrong unlike the price switching was.

No, you committed fraud which is illegal. Creating a fake Amazon sell site, posting a non-existent item for sale at an absurdly low price and then bringing that in for a price match is clearly fraud, is wrong and the perpetrators should be prosecuted.

 

[Newbian]

Here ya go... it's called Theft by Deception. Most states have statutes covering this particular crime.

Last I checked, the definition of "theft" was basically... well... stealing.

Have fun with that.

I pity those that get arrested for using out of date coupons.

 

[moonbogg]

Here ya go... it's called Theft by Deception. Most states have statutes covering this particular crime.

Last I checked, the definition of "theft" was basically... well... stealing.

Have fun with that.

Its justified disobedience.

What if the people who did this have been slaves to credit card debt for the last 20 years? You would blame them I'm sure. Is it the bears fault if it steps in a trap? No. Its not the consumer's fault that they get tricked, trapped, misguided, abused, ripped off and straight up scammed as well. Fuck this system of imprisonment. Its coming down. And no, I have no debt myself. Zero. But I get sick when I see a system that takes advantage of the weak rather than trying to build them up to make them strong.

 

[SlitheryDee]

You are talking about a system that rapes you every chance it gets. I say its fair fucking game. Capitalism thrives on this shit. This is how rich people get richer, through tricking others. I say buy the damn thing for $90.00. Fuck it.

This is different from a credit card interest rate suddenly changing on you? This is different from countless hidden fees in the banking system? This is different from walmart making someone work 39 hours to avoid insurance costs? Yeah, I'm sure you are happy being the honest guy while everyone else's dick is so far up your ass you choke on it. I say fuck them back.

So stealing isn't wrong as long as you can convince yourself you got screwed first? Not only that but you can give yourself license to steal based on what an entity did to someone else? Or one company screwing you means you get to steal from another unrelated company? That guy only got a 39 hour work week so YOU get whatever you can get out the door? Credit card companies changing your rates means you have permission to take what you want from grocery store?

It's all bullshit rationalization used to give you free reign to do what you wanted to do anyway while also feeling like you're morals are sound. They're not. Morality starts with you, not with someone or something else.

 

[slag]

it is stealing and its horrible management on the part of walmart. If a price rings up under water the system should red flag it and a manager overide required. Simple as fuck in todays POS world.


Not teaching your employees that that price DOESNT qualify for price match according to their own rules. The fine print excludes pricing mistakes doesnt it? If it doesnt than the upper management at walmart are complete idiots.

In order for it to be fair, moral, and legal, I would think you would have to sell at least one of the ps4 systems off your amazon.com link for $90.00. Then you can prove that you did sell the unit for its listed price and that it is a legit seller page.

 

[SunnyD]

Its justified disobedience.

You wouldn't have any problems with my walking into your home and taking whatever I want I take it?

It's anarchy.

 

[PliotronX]

Here ya go... it's called Theft by Deception. Most states have statutes covering this particular crime.

Last I checked, the definition of "theft" was basically... well... stealing.

Have fun with that.

Interesting, I wonder if the numbnuts who tweeted the full serial number of his PS4 can be tracked down...

 

[moonbogg]

So stealing isn't wrong as long as you can convince yourself you got screwed first? Not only that but you can give yourself license to steal based on what an entity did to someone else? Or one company screwing you means you get to steal from another unrelated company? That guy only got a 39 hour work week so YOU get whatever you can get out the door? Credit card companies changing your rates means you have permission to take what you want from grocery store?

It's all bullshit rationalization used to give you free reign to do what you wanted to do anyway while also feeling like you're morals are sound. They're not. Morality starts with you, not with someone or something else.

There are many cases where people broke the law for the greater good. Founding the USA was one such case. We need similar action today. A moral person can see through the unjust laws, have the courage to break them, and create something genuine.

You wouldn't have any problems with my walking into your home and taking whatever I want I take it?

It's anarchy.

In the right circumstance, that's the only option.

Maybe the people of Ferguson have the right idea after all. Their focus is too narrow though and misguided. The police risk their lives and have a hard job to do. Their anger should be directed at the whole damn system, not just the police.

 

[Jeeebus]

You are talking about a system that rapes you every chance it gets. I say its fair fucking game. Capitalism thrives on this shit. This is how rich people get richer, through tricking others. I say buy the damn thing for $90.00. Fuck it.

This is different from a credit card interest rate suddenly changing on you? This is different from countless hidden fees in the banking system? This is different from walmart making someone work 39 hours to avoid insurance costs? Yeah, I'm sure you are happy being the honest guy while everyone else's dick is so far up your ass you choke on it. I say fuck them back.

Its justified disobedience.

What if the people who did this have been slaves to credit card debt for the last 20 years? You would blame them I'm sure. Is it the bears fault if it steps in a trap? No. Its not the consumer's fault that they get tricked, trapped, misguided, abused, ripped off and straight up scammed as well. Fuck this system of imprisonment. Its coming down. And no, I have no debt myself. Zero. But I get sick when I see a system that takes advantage of the weak rather than trying to build them up to make them strong.

There are many cases where people broke the law for the greater good. Founding the USA was one such case. We need similar action today. A moral person can see through the unjust laws, have the courage to break them, and create something genuine.



In the right circumstance, that's the only option.

THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!!!!

We shall exorcise you back to P&N!

 

[moonbogg]

THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!!!!

We shall exorcise you back to P&N!

Did not watch. 30 second long commercial you can't skip = your post ruined.

 

[dabuddha]

Definitely not stealing. I'd never do anything like this cause I'd feel like crap everytime I looked at my PS4 but the people that did this only followed the store policy.

 

[dabuddha]

No, you committed fraud which is illegal. Creating a fake Amazon sell site, posting a non-existent item for sale at an absurdly low price and then bringing that in for a price match is clearly fraud, is wrong and the perpetrators should be prosecuted.

Do you know that they were the ones that created the Amazon sale or are you just assuming that? How do you know that they weren't planning on selling their PS4s for $90? The onus is on the walmart employee to verify the site.

 

[ImpulsE69]

There sure are a bunch of self righteous holier than thou people on these forums.

Which usually means you have your own skeletons in the closet.

How many of you are lawyers?

/end

Next: it was said that they 'could' create their own amazon store and stage the prices, which probably did happen.

 

[purbeast0]

lol @ the idiot comparing a price matching mistake to raping a woman ... only on ATOT.

 

[SlitheryDee]

There are many cases where people broke the law for the greater good. Founding the USA was one such case. We need similar action today. A moral person can see through the unjust laws, have the courage to break them, and create something genuine.

So you're a crusader against evil who just happens to net some free shit in the process? Uh huh...who knew making a stand for what's good and right would pander so well to you basest, most anti-societal impulses. It's serendipity I tell ya.

 

[NetWareHead]

I cant really agree that it was stealing. Walmart was the fool for accepting any online vendor's advertisement with their iron-clad price match guarantee. It was huge balls and genius on the part of the guy who tried this and had it work for him.

 

[Jeeebus]

There sure are a bunch of self entitled holier than thou people on these forums.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Brainonska511]

I cant really agree that it was stealing. Walmart was the fool for accepting any online vendor's advertisement with their iron-clad price match guarantee. It was huge balls and genius on the part of the guy who tried this and had it work for him.

It is stealing. Sure, it's not like the people stuck up the place, but it is theft by deception. Even if they didn't create the ad themselves, it didn't click in their head that the ad was fake and then try to take advantage of it? It speaks volumes to how ethically and morally challenged some people are.

Just like with corporations - it's okay to rip off a lot of people for a little money (see: arbitration clauses and the push to ban class-action lawsuits), it's apparently okay to rip off people and companies with deep pockets.

 

[Jeeebus]

There is no question that Walmart should have better controls in place and provide better training to its employees, but that is a consideration independent of whether this was theft/stealing/fraud.

As both I and SunnyD linked to above, this is either theft by false pretenses or theft by deception under the laws of just about any State that has such laws on its books. You don't blame the victim because the victim is stupid or could have taken better actions to prevent this from occurring - you look at the elements of the crime and objectively determine whether this fits... and it does. Do I think anyone will ultimately be prosecuted for it? Probably not, but that does not change the fact that this was a crime.

 

[moonbogg]

I marvel at people who claim an accurate, well calibrated moral compass based on their willingness to follow the law. A time will come when the laws of today are seen as archaic and very unjust and unfair, designed only to protect unjust people.

A beggar finds a piece of bread on the floor in the market, and you would cut their hand off for picking it up and eating it? A person who is over taxed, tricked, taken advantage of, has no health care, can't own a home, is always at the losing end of miles of fine print and red tape they couldn't possibly understand, and you would cut their hand off for eating a lost piece of bread on the floor because its technically against the rules of the system that has battered them?
You make me sick. You have no morality. You have fear and conformity, just like a Nazi.

 

[SunnyD]

There is no question that Walmart should have better controls in place and provide better training to its employees, but that is a consideration independent of whether this was theft/stealing/fraud.

This is why stores have certain policies, like NOT matching online competition.

Do I think anyone will ultimately be prosecuted for it? Probably not, but that does not change the fact that this was a crime.

Ultimately, this is why we just can't have nice things. Remember the Costco TV warranty?

I fully expect this policy to disappear as well.

 

[mugs]

Scumbags gonna be scumbags.

lol @ the idiot comparing a price matching mistake to raping a woman ... only on ATOT.

Rape is the classic example of victim blaming, and it's used to illustrate the absurdity of victim blaming. The crimes don't need to be comparable for the comparison to be appropriate. Only on ATOT would I have to explain this. No, wait, there are stupid people everywhere.

 

[NetWareHead]

It is stealing. Sure, it's not like the people stuck up the place, but it is theft by deception. Even if they didn't create the ad themselves, it didn't click in their head that the ad was fake and then try to take advantage of it? It speaks volumes to how ethically and morally challenged some people are.

Just like with corporations - it's okay to rip off a lot of people for a little money (see: arbitration clauses and the push to ban class-action lawsuits), it's apparently okay to rip off people and companies with deep pockets.

Morally/ethically wrong, yes and by that definition, then I guess I would agree with you that it amounts to stealing.

I was looking at the legal defintion of theft and I think Walmart would have a hell of a time proving the ad was fake. You have the "seller's" admission that it was fake and might be used against him but thats about it though.

 

[PliotronX]

I marvel at people who claim an accurate, well calibrated moral compass based on their willingness to follow the law. A time will come when the laws of today are seen as archaic and very unjust and unfair, designed only to protect unjust people.

A beggar finds a piece of bread on the floor in the market, and you would cut their hand off for picking it up and eating it? A person who is over taxed, tricked, taken advantage of, has no health care, can't own a home, is always at the losing end of miles of fine print and red tape they couldn't possibly understand, and you would cut their hand off for eating a lost piece of bread on the floor because its technically against the rules of the system that has battered them?
You make me sick. You have no morality. You have fear and conformity, just like a Nazi.

Time to put down the crackpipe.

 

[KeithTalent]

I marvel at people who claim an accurate, well calibrated moral compass based on their willingness to follow the law. A time will come when the laws of today are seen as archaic and very unjust and unfair, designed only to protect unjust people.

A beggar finds a piece of bread on the floor in the market, and you would cut their hand off for picking it up and eating it? A person who is over taxed, tricked, taken advantage of, has no health care, can't own a home, is always at the losing end of miles of fine print and red tape they couldn't possibly understand, and you would cut their hand off for eating a lost piece of bread on the floor because its technically against the rules of the system that has battered them?
You make me sick. You have no morality. You have fear and conformity, just like a Nazi.

Wow, never realized you were an actual crazy person.

KT