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batmang

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you guys dont know anything about hondas. and read my entire post before you go bashing everything i say.

i made 165whp, that means about 200 at the crank, your telling me thats crappy for a 1.6L 4 cylinder? the torque, hondas have none, especially the b16a motor. all of you who bashed on my car saying my numbers are weaksauce are completely retarded. my numbers are very good for being an all natural motor. since when the hell was 165whp in a 4 cylinder crappy?

i run 14's in the 1/4 mile, thats crappy?! ugh, i guess if i dont own a bmw or a porsche on this forum, my car cant be appreciated. :

 

QuitBanningMe

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe
Originally posted by: Eli
Whoever recommended Fram needs to be beaten with a connecting rod...

I did (actually I said nothing wrong with it) and although you seem to have become the resident "car guy" I doubt you have ever actually seen a connecting rod. Not to long ago you were "learning" and now you are the expert in all things automotive?

Just saying....since I need to be beat with a rod.
It wasn't you that I saw recommend Fram, but I'll bite.

So, you actually support the idea of putting cardboard into your engine?

As for the second part? WTF? I think you're thinking of someone else man.

Like I said. I have never had a problem with them. Are they the best oil filter? No. Are they used in tons of applications without fail? Yes.

Just seems odd that your first response was "bunch of clueless noobs". I'm far from a noob and for his and most applications I have no problem suggesting Fram. I have one on my engine now. Only because they were out of my normal filter but I didn't say "omg nooooeees not fram" because I know that the odds of me having problems are extremely slim. Granted I go with their more expensive filters.

I know who I'm thinking about.
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: Apex
Originally posted by: Eli
So, you actually support the idea of putting cardboard into your engine?

Eli:

My understanding is the Fram X2 uses metal endcaps, plus has extra reinforcement for the media. It has the same mediocre anti drainback valve and bypass as the rest of the Fram junk though.

I really don't keep up with Fram's product line, since I'm partial to others. Is this no longer the case?
That's about the extent I know, too. As far as I know, nothing has changed...

But I still wouldn't recommend even Fram's higher end filters, because of the cheap drainback/bypass valve. There's just simply better available.
 

SuperSix

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Originally posted by: Fmr12B
Fram's are garbage. Their flow rates are atrocious.
Some of the best filters are made by Motorcraft.
Best for the money is the K&N

What orifice are you pulling this info out of?

Motorcraft have horrible flow ratings, Fram has decent flow but bad media and anti-drainback valves, and K&N, while they flow good, are not worth the extra $$$, they don't flow any worse or better than most decent "cheaper" filters.

VERY interesting info here:
http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb...p?ubb=forum;f=6

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/

 

QuitBanningMe

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Apex
Originally posted by: Eli
So, you actually support the idea of putting cardboard into your engine?

Eli:

My understanding is the Fram X2 uses metal endcaps, plus has extra reinforcement for the media. It has the same mediocre anti drainback valve and bypass as the rest of the Fram junk though.

I really don't keep up with Fram's product line, since I'm partial to others. Is this no longer the case?
That's about the extent I know, too. As far as I know, nothing has changed...

But I still wouldn't recommend even Fram's higher end filters, because of the cheap drainback/bypass valve. There's just simply better available.

I agree there are better filters but I wouldn't be scared to use a Fram.

Anyway to each his own..

This thread would be much better served bashing batmang's weak ass, oil burning, "built" honda.
 

batmang

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i should have never posted anything about my car, lol. i knew id get bashed cause everyone hates loud ass honda's, blah blah blah.
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe
Like I said. I have never had a problem with them. Are they the best oil filter? No. Are they used in tons of applications without fail? Yes.

Just seems odd that your first response was "bunch of clueless noobs". I'm far from a noob and for his and most applications I have no problem suggesting Fram. I have one on my engine now. Only because they were out of my normal filter but I didn't say "omg nooooeees not fram" because I know that the odds of me having problems are extremely slim. Granted I go with there more expensive filters.

I know who I'm thinking about.
The dude asked which filter is the best for his car.

I don't care if millions of people use Fram with "no problems". It's not the best available. You know, there's a reason why Fram gets so much hate? It's not just fluff.

How do you know that none of your Fram filters have ever failed? Did you open every one up and inspect the media for tears, etc? Didn't think so.

You could use Fram for the entire life of the engine, and have each filter's media bust open after 2,000 miles, and a solid engine would still last 150,000 miles or more. Just because your engine doesen't have any problems does not mean that the filter has not had problems.

It's not like I've put myself up on a pedistal. Others have done that for me. I didn't ask for it. It's not like what I know is secret knowledge. It's just information I've gleaned through research. Most people aren't that interested in engines and cars, so they don't do the research. They come here to ask people like me what they know. Right?

If you're doubting my car advice, please, by all means call me out on it. Don't say that I don't know what I'm talking about without presenting any examples though.
 

ElMonoDelMar

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Originally posted by: batmang
i should have never posted anything about my car, lol. i knew id get bashed cause everyone hates loud ass honda's, blah blah blah.

What most people hate are car owners bragging about their crappy low end cars. Most of them, IMO, are just a huge waste of money. Take your car, for example, how much HP and torque did you actually gain from all your mods? I mean if you were just putting them on to make your car look nice, that's one thing. but since you're bragging about the dyno, I'm guessing you thought they actually made your car fast.
 

batmang

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i wasnt bragging. i was making a point on why i think its important to change your oil within 5k miles. i mentioned my car, cause i said i change my oil every 3k, and someone asked for mod listing so i posted it. bleh.
 

zixxer

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Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe
Originally posted by: batmang
Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe
Originally posted by: batmang
the only reason i change mine every 3k, is cause i have a built honda. yes a honda, its not rice at all. click the link in my signature " the batmobile ", its a website dedicated to my car.

my oil is basically black by the time 3k miles rolls around, and my oil level gets pretty low by then, built honda motors... love oil. so much that your basically dry by 5k miles. 9k redlines do that.
That is built? Did you forget to list some mods?



[Engine]
B16A Engine
Skunk2 Cat-Back Exhaust
Skunk2 Stage 2 Camshafts
Skunk2 Valve Springs
Skunk2 Retainers
Buddy Club Cam Gears
CTR Intake Manifold
CTR Throttle Body
CTR Valve Cover
Jasma 4-2-1 Header
GSR Master Cylinder and Booster
MSD Ignition with Blaster 3 Coil and Launch Control
Short Ram Intake
Advan Resevoir Covers
ACT 4 Puck Unsprung Clutch
P28 ECU Chipped with Hondata
Hondata s200 w/ datalogging



the only thing that isnt done on the engine is the bottom end. its the stock b16a bottom end. and when i say built, i dont mean full out race built. this car is my daily driver, so its built for what i use it for.

Then the engine isn't "built".

Also there is no reason for it to be using oil at the rate you say.

My engine is "built" and if it loses a drop I haven't noticed.

Doesn't say a lot for honda.

no offense,... but coming from someone who swears by fram filters....
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: batmang
i wasnt bragging. i was making a point on why i think its important to change your oil within 5k miles. i mentioned my car, cause i said i change my oil every 3k, and someone asked for mod listing so i posted it. bleh.
Heh. :)

There's nothing wrong with being proud of your car. :)

Don't call your engine "built" though. The 350 in my Chevy pickup is "built". IE: non-stock pistons, rods, cam.. It totally gives the wrong impression.

But props to you for working on your car yourself, troubleshooting with the Hondata, etc. That's much farther than most people get.
 

batmang

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: batmang
i wasnt bragging. i was making a point on why i think its important to change your oil within 5k miles. i mentioned my car, cause i said i change my oil every 3k, and someone asked for mod listing so i posted it. bleh.
Heh. :)

There's nothing wrong with being proud of your car. :)

Don't call your engine "built" though. The 350 in my Chevy pickup is "built". IE: non-stock pistons, rods, cam.. It totally gives the wrong impression.

But props to you for working on your car yourself, troubleshooting with the Hondata, etc. That's much farther than most people get.


thanks. i appreciate that. i didnt mean to say built, but its not anywhere near stock either. i mean the entire car itself, its no where near a stock civic hatch. but thanks, finally, for some good feedback.
 

batmang

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ok, so i can now say this without being murdered. THAT car, is fully BUILT. internally, externally, everything is done on it. it broke into very low 10's a month or two ago i beleive. and he was running mid 10's for a long time. fwd = no damn traction. if only he could get traction like a rwd car can. i cant get over the size of the turbo on that car... its huge.
 

Cawchy87

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Wow, this thread is still alive!

Thanks to those who have posted links and the overwhelming majority of people who have said that fram sucks (and the companies that fram makes filters for.)

I'll start hunting for some wix since that seems to be the best price/proformance.

Thanks to all!
 

0roo0roo

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and the lucky thing about camrys.. filter right on top. easy as pie to replace.